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AlanBelieves
post May 19 2009, 04:52 PM
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I've started going to a Church recently and they speak about the Holy Spirit there.

Is it blasphemy to say something incorrect about the Holy Spirit because I haven't yet found the parts of the Bible which back up what they say. I daren't repeat what they said until I know it is correct.

I want to be baptized, but I want to make sure that it is a baptism that the Lord approves of.

They have a woman preacher there. I've read various arguments online for and against women preachers and I want to make sure that again the Church is not disobeying God.

There's a website for the Church here: http://www.aromaofJesus.org.uk/

What they said about the Holy Spirit isn't as far as I've seen so far on there.
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post May 19 2009, 05:00 PM
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I forgot to add that the website is slightly out of date because now instead of meeting at a hotel the Church has a building.

Going and worshipping God at the Church has brought me a great sense of hapiness and comfort and I've noticed one great change for good in my life already. A man on the street convinced me to go and worship there he told me good things would happen in my life and suddenly after only going a small amount of times the woman I've loved for ages but who didn't love me now loves me.

Really I just want to make sure that being baptized by this Church will give me a valid baptism.
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post May 19 2009, 05:06 PM
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blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is when you attribute the work of the H.S. to the devil. it's unlikely that your church has done that. if you're unsure though, go ahead and repeat it. by telling us what THEY have said, you will not be committing blasphemy yourself, if indeed that is what they have done. (again, it is highly unlikely that is what they have done!)

of course, they may be teaching bad doctrine regarding the Holy Spirit though, and if they are, you definitely need to know for sure so you can find a different church if that's the case.
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post May 19 2009, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE (LadyC @ May 19 2009, 05:06 PM) *
blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is when you attribute the work of the H.S. to the devil. it's unlikely that your church has done that. if you're unsure though, go ahead and repeat it. by telling us what THEY have said, you will not be committing blasphemy yourself, if indeed that is what they have done. (again, it is highly unlikely that is what they have done!)

of course, they may be teaching bad doctrine regarding the Holy Spirit though, and if they are, you definitely need to know for sure so you can find a different church if that's the case.


Can blasphemy be thought or does it have to be said because sometimes horrible thoughts come into my head that I don't believe but they're still in my head? I once saw a devil worship website and in my head I contemplated it briefly before thinking no it's rubbish.

It relates to what the Holy Spirit does.

They were talking about God's armies.

If they are teaching bad doctorine shouldn't I show them where they're going wrong rather than just disappearing to another Church?

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post May 19 2009, 05:17 PM
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QUOTE (AlanBelieves @ May 19 2009, 09:52 PM) *
I've started going to a Church recently and they speak about the Holy Spirit there.

Is it blasphemy to say something incorrect about the Holy Spirit because I haven't yet found the parts of the Bible which back up what they say. I daren't repeat what they said until I know it is correct.

I want to be baptized, but I want to make sure that it is a baptism that the Lord approves of.

They have a woman preacher there. I've read various arguments online for and against women preachers and I want to make sure that again the Church is not disobeying God.

There's a website for the Church here: http://www.aromaofJesus.org.uk/

what they said about the Holy Spirit isn't as far as I've seen so far on there.





I'll first comment on the one topic of what they say about the Holy Spirit:

The Holy Spirit - The ministry of the Holy Spirit is to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ and during this age, to convict men of sin, regenerate the believing sinner, indwell, guide, instruct, and empower the believer for godly living and service



This is true. There is certainly more to the Holy Spirit which could be elaborated...but this is an accurate summary. What were you expecting?

By using the words "during this age" they seem obviously dispensational and I'm not a big fan of putting God into a time box; but it's not rising to the level of heresy.

Is there more that isn't mentioned on the website?





Woman preachers don't bother me but there should be a male in authority over the larger community. Is there?

If not, you might want to consider continuing your search unless you are sure the Lord wants you there. What brought you there and makes you want to be there?
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post May 19 2009, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE (yod @ May 19 2009, 05:17 PM) *
QUOTE (AlanBelieves @ May 19 2009, 09:52 PM) *
I've started going to a Church recently and they speak about the Holy Spirit there.

Is it blasphemy to say something incorrect about the Holy Spirit because I haven't yet found the parts of the Bible which back up what they say. I daren't repeat what they said until I know it is correct.

I want to be baptized, but I want to make sure that it is a baptism that the Lord approves of.

They have a woman preacher there. I've read various arguments online for and against women preachers and I want to make sure that again the Church is not disobeying God.

There's a website for the Church here: http://www.aromaofJesus.org.uk/

what they said about the Holy Spirit isn't as far as I've seen so far on there.





I'll first comment on the one topic of what they say about the Holy Spirit:

The Holy Spirit - The ministry of the Holy Spirit is to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ and during this age, to convict men of sin, regenerate the believing sinner, indwell, guide, instruct, and empower the believer for godly living and service



This is true. There is certainly more to the Holy Spirit which could be elaborated...but this is an accurate summary. What were you expecting?

By using the words "during this age" they seem obviously dispensational and I'm not a big fan of putting God into a time box; but it's not rising to the level of heresy.

Is there more that isn't mentioned on the website?





Woman preachers don't bother me but there should be a male in authority over the larger community. Is there?

If not, you might want to consider continuing your search unless you are sure the Lord wants you there. What brought you there and makes you want to be there?


There is a male preacher who is the woman preacher's husband. I'm not sure who is in authority.

I'll try to explain how I came to that Church.

I wanted to start going to Church and saw so many Churches and I was worried as to how to pick the right one and I prayed and asked the Lord to send me to the right one or one He approves of can't remember my exact words but something along those lines.

There's a man that tries to get people to go to this Church that stands on the High Street in the town where I live he's talked to me before and told me about the Church, but after I prayed to the Lord he talked to me if memory serves me correctly twice more and on the second time he persuaded me to go along to the Church.
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post May 19 2009, 05:39 PM
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it's going to be hard to convince you that you have not committed blasphemy without you telling us what it is that you thought. but i'll give it a shot anyway.

according to my understanding of scripture, once you've committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, there is no turning back. God wipes His hands of you, and the H.S. will no longer convict you of anything... clearly you are deeply concerned that you may have offended God, but that concern indicates to me that you have not committed the unforgivable sin!

i'm sure by now you have told God you are sorry, but if you haven't, get on your knees and ask forgiveness... and then rest in the promise that God has made to you, that your sins are forgiven.

what is happening right now is that satan is trying desperately to make you believe that you are unworthy of God's forgiveness. if that were true, then satan wouldn't be trying so hard!
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post May 19 2009, 05:39 PM
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I don't see anything in their beliefs statement that would cause me any alarm. If they practice what they say there, I don't find much wrong with them. The issue of a woman Pastor I would have to think about. As Yod said, at the very least a male figure needs to be in a position of authority over the larger body.
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post May 19 2009, 05:44 PM
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You mentioned something about God's armies. Can you elaborate?
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post May 19 2009, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE (LadyC @ May 19 2009, 05:39 PM) *
it's going to be hard to convince you that you have not committed blasphemy without you telling us what it is that you thought. but i'll give it a shot anyway.

according to my understanding of scripture, once you've committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, there is no turning back. God wipes His hands of you, and the H.S. will no longer convict you of anything... clearly you are deeply concerned that you may have offended God, but that concern indicates to me that you have not committed the unforgivable sin!

i'm sure by now you have told God you are sorry, but if you haven't, get on your knees and ask forgiveness... and then rest in the promise that God has made to you, that your sins are forgiven.

what is happening right now is that satan is trying desperately to make you believe that you are unworthy of God's forgiveness. if that were true, then satan wouldn't be trying so hard!


If blasphemy is spoken then I can't have done it but someone keeps saying things in my head they aren't thoughts I want and they aren't what I truly think but ever since I read about that sin they keep surfacing in my head.
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