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Can an Evangelical Christian Accept Evolution? |
Mar 5 2010, 01:38 PM
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Royal Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Royal Member Posts: 19785 Joined: 22-August 03 Member No.: 1888 |
QUOTE At some point you are going to have to make a choice about whether the creation account is scientifically precise or not; on the one hand you say that it contains "no science at all" but on the other hand you refuse to acknowledge evolution because it contradicts the science presented in the creation account. I don't have to make a decision about the scientific precision of the creation account, because it is NOT scienftic account. Secondly, I reject Evolution because it contradicts the THEOLOGY presented in the creation account. QUOTE And yes, if you are going to say that evolution is wrong because it contradicts that Adam was made from dust and Eve came from his rib then you are saying that the creation account contains some science. Saying that Adam and Eve were real people is not a scientific assertion, but an historical one. Saying that Eve was created from Adam's rib is not a scientific statement. It is an historical/biblical one.QUOTE The evidence supporting common descent (fossil record, genetics, ERV's) exist independent of scientist's claims. Furthermore, depending on how you interpret it heliocentrism stands diametrically opposed to what the Bible says too, clearly though we use evidence in some cases to better understand how to interpret parts of the Bible. For example, without accurate cosmological observation you would doubtless look at Joshua and conclude that the sun moves relative to the earth, the ONLY reason we're adjusted how we interpret that passage is because we have observed that it is actually the earth that moves relative to the sun. Except that if I had a geocentric view (which was actually first put forth by Ptolemy and Hippacharrus, not the Bible) it would not be based on the Bible but on the prevailing views of science. You act like the only peopple who posssessed a geocentric view were Christians. The truth is, it was a secular scientific view, not a religious one and was not codified by Christians but by pagans. Any religionists who did hold to that view were only reflecting the science of their day. Funny how the church is ridiculed for the backwards view of geocentricism, when in fact, they were simply accomodating the scientific "reality" that prevailed at that time. The church adopted what science told them was reality and now modern science laughs at how those ignorant theologians believed something so "unscientific" (all the while ignoring the true scientific and nonreligious roots of the geocentric view). Yet science wants us to follow their lead AGAIN and capitulate to the scientific "reality" of Evolution. QUOTE No, the theory of evolution is that life diversified via natural mechanisms from a single common ancestor into all of its present forms. That is only part of it. You are conveniently ignoring what mainstream evolution proponents have said about the relationship of Evolution to the Bible.Furthermore, your definition above precludes man being made from the dust of the earth as stated in the Bible. According to your definition, man is the product of the diversification, but the Bible says that man was created separate from all other organisms. Man did not evolve from any other creature that serves as a common ancestor between man and other species. QUOTE Um no, no meteorologist I've ever heard of has said that the sun and moon are going to be stopping in the sky for a while. Are you being deliberately obtuse? Meteorologists use geocentric terms like Sun up and Sun down, Sunrise and Sunset and all of them are scientifically wrong, but observationally correct. I would think you would have at least enough integrity to admit that fact. They use the same observatoinally correct types of terminology the Bible uses.
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Mar 9 2010, 04:45 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Senior Member Posts: 1194 Joined: 15-October 08 From: Detroit, Michigan Member No.: 97921 |
Lurker, whom I'm convinced is actually an atheist, will do anything he can to destroy Genesis, because he knows if he can convince Christians the Genesis account of creation is nothing but allegory, he will have little trouble painting anything else in Scripture as allegorical as well.
It's telling that we see Lurker doing little else here at Worthy but attempting to destroy faith in Creationism and push humanistic evolutionism. Yet when pressed to explain life creating itself from dead matter or the universe creating itself from nothingness, he cries out, "evolution has nothing to do with those!" ignoring all the while the scienctific study of Cosmic Evolution and the origin of life studies of Abiogenesis, which deals with exactly what Lurker claims they do not, i.e., the studies of the evolution of the Universe and inanimate-to-living matter. He loves to post links to pages he never reads, because they usually say the exact opposite of what he's trying to prove, or they are full of nothing but pure speculation. Lurker counts on the fact that most people will not take the time to visit all the links he posts. You can bet that if the Bible actually said that God used millions of years to create, Lurker would be screaming, "No! No! The Bible is wrong! The evidence suggests a young creation!" Lurker and his propaganda will pass away - as they always do. And God's Word will remain - as it always has. |
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Mar 9 2010, 08:03 PM
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Royal Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Royal Member Posts: 17442 Joined: 30-September 06 From: Houston, Texas Member No.: 53009 |
Lurker, whom I'm convinced is actually an atheist, will do anything he can to destroy Genesis, because he knows if he can convince Christians the Genesis account of creation is nothing but allegory, he will have little trouble painting anything else in Scripture as allegorical as well. It's telling that we see Lurker doing little else here at Worthy but attempting to destroy faith in Creationism and push humanistic evolutionism. Yet when pressed to explain life creating itself from dead matter or the universe creating itself from nothingness, he cries out, "evolution has nothing to do with those!" ignoring all the while the scienctific study of Cosmic Evolution and the origin of life studies of Abiogenesis, which deals with exactly what Lurker claims they do not, i.e., the studies of the evolution of the Universe and inanimate-to-living matter. He loves to post links to pages he never reads, because they usually say the exact opposite of what he's trying to prove, or they are full of nothing but pure speculation. Lurker counts on the fact that most people will not take the time to visit all the links he posts. You can bet that if the Bible actually said that God used millions of years to create, Lurker would be screaming, "No! No! The Bible is wrong! The evidence suggests a young creation!" Lurker and his propaganda will pass away - as they always do. And God's Word will remain - as it always has. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/amen.gif) And we should pray for Lurker to come to the Truth. |
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Mar 9 2010, 08:18 PM
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A human recognizes another human, Lurker. It's the way we're wired. We intuitively know another soul when we encounter one. Really? So if I showed you another series of pictures you would "intuitively" be able to pick the humans from the non-humans every time? QUOTE Now, take note; humans are separated from the animals by the soul AND our physical being. Which was created by God. The ape-like creature in your post bears a passing resemblance to us....but we would know it wasn't another human even if we had never heard of evolution, Creation or apes. Fascinating. . .tell me, what divine physical trait separates the nonhuman from the humans in those photos? Lurker |
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Mar 9 2010, 08:34 PM
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Royal Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Royal Member Posts: 17442 Joined: 30-September 06 From: Houston, Texas Member No.: 53009 |
QUOTE Really? So if I showed you another series of pictures you would "intuitively" be able to pick the humans from the non-humans every time? Sure; why not? QUOTE Fascinating. . .tell me, what divine physical trait separates the nonhuman from the humans in those photos? Give me a break, Lurker. The non-human bears only a passing resemblance to a human. As I said, we are wired to recognize another human just as animals recognize their own kind. If you don't know this....how did you pick out a wife for yourself? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/noidea.gif) |
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