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#2074657 A word about debate tactics

Posted by ajchurney on 23 February 2014 - 08:37 PM

I have greatly enjoyed my time reading, posting, and meeting folks here on worthy. There is one thing, however, that I have struggled with as of late, and I decided to start my first thread to see what everyone else feels about this. I appreciate so many of those who contribute here that I cannot think of a better place to share these thoughts and hear the responses.

In a couple of the threads, I encountered something that I believe is simply not in the spirit of Christianity. I am talking about aggressive, secular form of debating.

One of the qualities of a man (or woman) of God is that they are to be “easily entreated.” We are also not to be a disputer or bring division amongst the brethren.

I perceive that there are certain posters who are trained, either at the secondary or college level in debate rhetoric. Two of my sons participated in debates, and my older one is graduating this spring with a pre-law degree. I am a bit familiar with how this works. I will try to explain why I do not think that this has any part in the discussions of scripture here on Worthy.

The goal of debate is to win the argument…..period. The debaters are often given subjects they do not even believe in, because the important thing is HOW you argue, how you present your points, and how you tear down and discredit the views and points of your opponent. 

The only goal here at Worthy should be to use our knowledge and gifts together in a spirit of unity and love in order to arrive at actual truth. The goal of debate is to win at all costs and to be excellent at the methods to produce the win.

My concern is that some are using secular debating tactics to both defend their own positions and to tear down with ruthless disdain the views of others. One debate tactic is to ignore any good point or difficult to answer question that is posed. Instead the debater will use a diversionary tactic of picking on any small point, even something they know is absurd, in an attempt to escape from any exposure to a weakening of their own argument. The result here is to suppress truth. The point of discussing theology is not to be personally right, but to arrive at absolute truth, even if….especially if this proves me to be personally wrong! A Godly man invites and treasures correction that exposes falsehood or deception and brings in truth.

A dead giveaway that someone is in this debating spirit is that they rarely, if ever, voice real agreement with anything that is presented by one who is “against” their point of view. This kind of person only wants to find fault and criticize the one who dares to question their point of view. This is NOT in the humble and meek Spirit of Jesus Christ.  This sort of person also is not seeking to find any possible compromise or middle ground, since this could make their view partially wrong or incomplete, and therefore they do not WIN. Truth is all that matters, and none of us has all of it. Few of us have all truth on even any one subject or doctrine!

In conclusion, I want to publicly declare that I want to step out of any of this debate rhetoric that I have walked in. I also invite the posters on Worthy to hold me accountable for this if they see it working in any of my posting.

Blessings to all, Andy 

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#2036484 How do you pray?

Posted by bopeep1909 on 30 November 2013 - 11:49 PM

Sometimes God does not answer our prayers the way we want Him to.Sometimes He will say "yes".Sometimes he will say "no" and sometimes he will say "wait I have something better". We need to pray that Gods Will Be Done.Sometimes it takes a while for our prayers to be answered in God's timing.Sometimes we have to be patient. 

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#1991466 Why I Post Bible ~ FresnoJoe

Posted by FresnoJoe on 24 August 2013 - 12:57 PM

March 10, 2007


In my question to Christians I said I was not being curt or snide but asking an honest question. If I offended you somehow, I apologize for that but still believe the question to be legitimate. I quote Scriptures all the time but, have learned to add their meaning and relevance and personal conversation in exhortation and friendly talk. The reason is they are just words and makes us the appearance of "Bible Thumpers" through scripture but no Living Water with them. The Word says His Word will pour out of OUR Bellies like Living Water. Without that, they are like "tinkling brass" most times. If anyone of us look back to those who reached our hearts before we came to Christ, we see it was a real application of Scripture in Words with His Word Living in them yet, not changed from their meaning. That is my point and I believe Jesus' point when He talked of Living Water. Look at His conversations with people, lowly non=educated common people. They were amazed at His conversation because they heard the Law in the Temple read by the priests and scribes But Jesus brought them to Life as did All His disciples/Apostles. Thing about it..

Blessings in Jesus,

Brother Ron Cruise



Point taken brother.
No offense.

Ron, you are a true brother.
Our Lord has some purpose in our discussion which will bring Glory to Him.

"A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver."
(Proverbs 25:11)

I know my Lord and He always leads me besides still waters and into the pastures I need.
It may have taken 23 years or so, but when He moves, it is perfect. :24:
God also has an amazing sense of humor and I am beginning to laugh at myself as I see a little of what He is doing with our dialog.

Yes Lord and Amen!

He is so dear maybe I can sit at His feet for a few billion years or so and just drink Him in before I get busy with whatever He has for me to do!

I lead with my heart, so be assured brother, an honest answer.

I am not impressed with my words nor with the words of man.
However, My soul paints for His Word.

The Bible Bot in Chat is a personal favorite of mine at Worthy.
I would love to see it tag a Bible scripture at the end of each post on the boards.

The only thing that has saved my life since I was six years old is The Word of God and The God behind it.
God put the Bible into my young hands and people into my young life to teach me to read it.
The KJV was my reading primer when I was five, six and seven.
This was one of the first verses planted into my heart and it has never left me.

"Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee."
(Psalms 119:11)

The Christian parents in my young life brought extreme pain and suffering to me but God never left me nor did He ever forsake me.
I love them dearly and pray for them in their old age (Dad is slowly dying) and I look forward to spending eternity with them as I do with secondeve and emeralgirl should God be Gracious unto them and they respond. Cartwheels before The Throne?

The Bible was where I learned to truly love.
It is the only reason I still have a marriage and a passionate one at that after 37 years with my sweetheart!
It is the only reason I knew how to love my baby boy.

It is the reason I quit drinking stone cold when I got angry at my wife 28 years ago while drunk.
It is the reason I just quit smoking last summer after 46 years of a pack-a-day non-filters with no patch, no desire to quit and no conviction of sin!
I just wanted to get even closer to Jesus down here because He hasn't taken me home to Him yet.
Quitting cigarettes was all of Jesus and none of Joe.

The Holy Bible was a Mother's love and a Father's council to me as a child.
It is my everything and, along with the wife of my youth, my comfort as I grow old and feeble.

The WORD through The Word is the most precious thing I have to offer the dear folks at Worthy.
Scriptures are my lifeline to God's Love and I post them out of love.

Please forgive me one more time but I do need to check the "tinkling brass" reference.
The fruit of abiding in Jesus!

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal."
"And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing."
"And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing."
(1 Corinthians 13:1-3)

Yes and Amen Lord!

Dear Brother, these "Bible Thumping" Words I post are the very words of life, love and hope to me.
I do not get the same joy and instructions from any man or woman until they begin to speak Bible Words.

It breaks my heart and grieves my spirit to see the tossing out of God's Word throughout the "civilized" Christen world.
Many of the through-the-Bible verse by verse Churches today, speed read the Bible in the evenings and talk and talk and talk incessantly about their personal views and their personal life in the morning "application" service.
They used to show Jesus with every sermon even in Books like Leviticus but the anointing has left them or I came on the wrong days.

I am too old and sick for this nonsense so I fall asleep and then I snore and my wife has really sharp elbows so I can't sit there any more and my ribs still hurt! There are other health issues which also keep us away.

I hope and pray Christians will share God's counsel with any unsaved friends they love and fellowship with at Worthy.
I would hope and pray the unsaved would nail their Christian friends to the wall until they receive a true understand of who Jesus is and why He is the most important person ever to walk the earth and why it is needful to act now!

I know God says it far better then I can and, without posting The Word I'll probably get it wrong but here goes!

Sin is real and more deadly to the soul of the sinner than the venom of a viper and it is totally nasty in God's sight and cannot be in His presence.

Hell is real and eternal.

All have sinned.

God The Father so loved the sinner that He laid the lashes for all the sins upon His Beloved Son to save the few who will receive His Gift.

Jesus, God The Son, totally without sin, so loved His Father and the sinner that He went to and stayed upon The Cross and became sin and took all the lashes needed to full pay the sin debt of the whole world to save the few who will receive His Gift!

All you need to do is to turn away from your nasty old sinful self, repent of your nasty old sinful self and receive God's gift by faith.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
(John 3:16)

Which you can't even do by yourself except for The Holy Spirit drawing you to God and convicting you of your horrible sinfulness and Jesus' total innocence and totally breaking your heart for what you have done!

Perhaps you are correct brother.
My Heart will not allow me to past by a lost and hurting person without leaving a few of the Words of Life.
Maybe I should just give in and change my user name to Thumper!

A new apologetics is settling over Western Christendom.
One where God's Holy Word is not welcome, period.
Although Worthy has some of these young "Christian" Turks swarming around it, this apostasy has not and I think will not strike deep into the Worthy Boards or Worthy Chat.

You can discuss science, weather, news or anything you desire and you can quote anything or anyone except extreme profanities and most all obscenities but you can not post any Bible scripture whatever.
We have young ones coming onto Worthy claiming Christ as their Lord and Savior but hating God's Word and actively trying to stop it's appearance at Worthy.
They have poled the unbelievers on other web sites to discover what they are comfortable with and then these "Christians" actively campaign to keep all Bible quotes or any Christian references to "creation" off "their" boards here at Worthy.

It's the strangest thing I've seen outside of a cult!
Like some made-up fake Antichrist bolted together by a Frankenstein committee of Atheist Adults and Bible-less, Jesus-less teenage Church kids claiming to be Christians.
He is a all evolutionist, all symbolic Bible and all science is the savior of earth and Mankind but, somehow, still he is "Christian".

Ron, I am truly saddened when I hear the Words of Jesus which are life to me are just thumping to the lost and the hopeless!
You and I both know what a closed Bible means and it is a heart breaker!.
When I see this reaction, it does break my heart and sends me to The Throne and to plead for The Word and The Holy Spirit to act upon the Heart.

"The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:"
"The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:"
"The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace."
(Numbers 6:24-26)

"And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them." (Numbers 6:27)

Love, Joe

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#1722746 OC - To the Believers - read often!

Posted by Botz on 21 September 2011 - 05:07 AM

1. In Outer Court, those who don't share our beliefs are welcome. This is a place where seekers and nonbelievers alike can ask us about our beliefs and engage in productive discussion regarding faith and other topics.

2. As Believers we should extend to them every courtesy, especially as there was a time when we too did not know the Saviour.

3. Sometimes the interaction can get a bit heated as each party seeks to present their view, this is inevitable if people are passionate about what they are discussing. We ask that seekers, nonbelievers, and members alike who post in Outer Court maintain civility and follow the 
Terms of Service and that posters maintain vigilance with regards to this, especially when in a more heated discussion.

4. This section of the Boards should be covered with prayer and grace, and this should be evident in the way we treat our guests and unbelieving friends.

5. The only Believers who should be here are those that are happy to engage those who don't share our faith. Please understand that it is possible to disagree with someone without resorting to personal attack. Also, brothers and sisters in Christ, please be cognizant of the fact that tough questions may be asked here and when this happens it's not necessarily an attack on our faith or on God. (I suggest you pray about this).


6.  We do ask that anyone who perceives a violation of the Terms of Service make use of the Report button on the bottom left side of each post. This will make it far less likely that threads end up locked or closed, as it allows us to handle situations before they spiral out of control. Most closures occur because of personal attacks (debating the person, not the subject). If you feel attacked please report it and refrain from responding in kind.


Galatians 5:22-26 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,  gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.  Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another. 

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#2091557 Islamic group to cut crosses off NY church

Posted by other one on 05 April 2014 - 08:14 PM

Perhaps, you should stop watching and posting videos and get out and meet people. The idea of a  Jihadi take over of the USA is a paranoid fantasy. What your family doesn't need is a parent filled with hate for others. And turn to the New Testament. Jesus did not command us either to fear or hate our neighbour.


Well according to the Federal Courts in Texas that isn't the case Amor.....     and if you'd take the time to watch the video's you would not be lecturing me on Islam.....    God gave me sense enough to recognize danger and avoid it if possible...

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#2088707 On the Wstboro Baptist Church

Posted by LadyC on 29 March 2014 - 09:22 AM

fred phelps hasn't been the leader of the westboro baptist church for a long, long time. his DAUGHTER is at the helm. she has been for at least a decade. if i thought the death of fred would take down the church, i'd probably rejoice. but it hasn't, so what is there to rejoice over? and i'm sure that long before his daughter dies, some other family member will step up to the pulpit to preach their brand of venomous hate.


i don't mock the death of fred. i simply don't care that he's dead. i don't grieve for him, nor do i rejoice about it. i do not sit in judgment... only God does that, and frankly, i believe that God had turned him over to his reprobate mind a long, long time ago. but i want to say this, and listen carefully. many times in scripture, when someone who did not love God died, God instructed ones who loved them not to grieve for them. even aaron was not allowed to mourn for his sons when God struck them down, although the general public (who was not there to see their transgression) was permitted to grieve. and in jeremiah, God says not to weep for the dead, but instead to grieve for those who have gone away. you can extrapolate that however you wish, but here's what is clear to me...


many christians like to judge and condemn other christians for not "grieving" when someone dies without the Lord. that is, in my understanding, an entirely unbiblical position. and yet i see it frequently, in one manner or another. (for example, when people debate the death penalty; many people believe that we should oppose it because we're taking away a person's possible last chance to reconcile with God. that's in the same category as this.) God knows each man's time (and cause) of death. we can rest assured on God's promise that EVERY person (including hitler and phelps and the death row inmates) was given EVERY chance to reconcile himself to God, and no man has ever been able to interfere with that eventuality. 


furthermore, in proverbs 11, scripture says that when the wicked perish their are shouts of joy. does that mean God condones the celebration? maybe not. we know that God would rather each person turn to Him rather than perish, but that in His perfect judgment, He cuts short the life of many evil people who He knows will never turn to Him. God's justice is served when evil people die. romans 13 talks about this from a governmental viewpoint... when evil people die during military conflict or by death penalty, that is also God's justice and He has given the authority for those events to occur. 


God doesn't tell us that we should rejoice over an individual's death, but we most certainly SHOULD rejoice when God's justice is done and when evil is eliminated. it's tricky to distinguish whether another person's joy is over the death of the person or over the elimination of an evil. and it may be difficult for the person rejoicing to know exactly what his joy is for. but the bottom line is, bestrfcplayer, YOU are not in a position of judging another person's reaction to that death.

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#2087396 Cover up?

Posted by Marnie on 25 March 2014 - 08:15 PM

I heard there are two Americans on that plane. Put The IRS on the case...they'll find a taxpayer ANYWHERE!
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#2086701 Church Doctrine and Tradition of men

Posted by OneLight on 23 March 2014 - 10:25 PM

Romans 14:5-10

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

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#2086674 Sex scandals in the Church

Posted by shiloh357 on 23 March 2014 - 08:48 PM

Why is this such a huge problem, especially among those who preach against premarital sex, adultery, etc., the most?


‘Survivor’ Bloggers Join Forces to Reveal Christian Fundamentalist Abuses

There are a myriad of reasons depending on the situation.


In my Church we don't allow any kind of cross-gender ministry.  Women counsel women. Men counsel men. We maintain separate men aind women's ministries.


The ministry team of Billy Graham Evangelistic Ministries, when they first started out in the 1940's, made a pact with one another and God that they would not be alone with a woman other than their wives.   Billy Graham, Cliff Barrows, George Beverly Shea and Grady Wilson kept that pact their entire lives.  Billy Graham would not even stand in an elevator alone with a woman. 


You don't have that kind of integrity anymore in minsistry these days, it seems.

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#2085824 Long time – no hear!

Posted by George on 21 March 2014 - 09:43 AM

by George Whitten, Editor of Worthy News

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

An Indian was walking in downtown New York City alongside a resident friend. As they approached a busy street corner in the center of Manhattan, the Indian seized his friend's arm and whispered, "Wait. I hear a cricket." "Come on!", the city boy sneered, "This is downtown New York — how could you possibly hear a cricket?" His friend persisted however, "No – seriously, I do!"

As cars were roaring, horns honking, people shouting, brakes screeching, cash registers clanging, subway clamoring and people bustling about, the Indian began leading his friend along slowly, every now and again stopping and turning his ear toward the seemingly noiseless sound. At last, the Indian insisted they were near and proceeded to follow the sound across the street and toward a small dark corner next to a graffiti covered wall. There, he bent down to a minuscule tuft of grass and pulled out the cricket. "I told, you", he said, "I heard a cricket."

Astounded, the New Yorker marveled "How could you have heard that cricket in the middle of all this noise?" "Well", said his foreign friend, "My ears are different from yours. It simply depends on what you're listening to. Here, let me show you what I mean." He reached into his pocket and pulled out a handful of change –a couple of quarters, three or four nickels, and a dime and a few pennies. "Now," he said, "watch this." He held the coins waist high and dropped them to the sidewalk. At once, every head within nearly a block turned around and looked in the direction of the Indian.

"You see, It all depends on what you're listening to."

To what sounds are our ears trained to listen? Are they trained to hear the sound of money, of gossip, of complaining, of worldly things or are they trained to hear the still small voice of the Most High, directing and advising us in the way we should go?

Let's ask the Lord to train our ears to hear the things of God today. We need to be listening for His direction in the hustle and bustle of this noisy and influential world or we will surely go astray!

View the full article
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#2085807 Church Doctrine and Tradition of men

Posted by OneLight on 21 March 2014 - 04:55 PM

I believe in the eyes of God,there is only one church,that is church of Jesus Christ,i may be right or wrong

You are correct. Denominations are not from God, but man.

A preacher said that because of church doctrine and tradition of men,many christian will go to hell fire

Nobody know who will or will not be saved. There are some so called "Christians" that are in danger, but to say they are going to end up in hell is not for me to say.

some christian doesn't celebrate christmas,they said Jesus was not born on 25th, and beside it is not biblical,and Christ did not ask us to celebrate His birth

I did not even know about God when I saw my first Christmas. The bible tells us in Romans 14:5-6

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[a] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.

If that day is to remember the birth of Christ or His death, doe sit matter which day that is on? The Jehovah Witnesses are the only group I know of who teach this.

some church said that it is not good for a christian to drink alcohol,why some encourage it,because the first miracle Jesus perform on earth,was turning water to wine.what do you think.

Funny, scripture tells us in 1 Timothy 5:23 to drink a little wine for stomach’s sake and your frequent infirmities. Again, be careful of legalism in certain cases.

I highly suggest studying personal bible study for you to discover what scripture itself tells you. You can find some topical studies at Bible.org.

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#2080703 Devoted more to the Scriptures than to the God of the Scriptures?

Posted by kwikphilly on 08 March 2014 - 01:55 PM

Blessings Everyone...

     Thanks neb,the OP is an interesting take this Micha Barnett(was that her name)has on the Jews rejecting Christ.....bottom line.I disagree with her interpretation that the Jews living under the law were more focused on reading the Sciptures than seeking God.......I do not think that reading the Scriptures could ever lead anyone away from God but having a hardened heart can & not "receiving" Gods Word through the study of Scripture...it was not that the Pharisees,religious experts & teachers of the law had a barrier between them & God because of the Scriptures but because they were doing everything of their own effort trying to fulfill the law....there they were ,face to face with the very One they had been waiting for & had their hopes on & they could not see Who He was.....blind eyes & deaf ears by the god of this world

      This is a very good example of trying to reconcile oneself to God.....without Jesus,no one can come to the Father....the Scriptures & the law did not cause the hardening of their hearts.....the enemy did,that is why Jesus called them a brood of vipers,sons of satan

                                                                                                                                   With love-in Christ,Kwik

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#2073472 Blessings of Abraham a transferrable promise?

Posted by shiloh357 on 21 February 2014 - 05:10 AM

Heard a sermon about this topic and was wondering what you guys thought.  Abraham was given blessing that he tried to give to Ishmael by his own work and God said no, it was going to Isaac even though he was the second born.  I've heard in that culture in those days that the first born was always entitled to the inheritances of the father.  We go down the lineage a little and see that the blessing was supposed to go to Esau goes to the second born Jacob.  Adam is the first man and Jesus is the second man and he gets the blessing(or is the blessing).  Could it be possible that the blessings/promises of Israel could be transferrable to the church? 


No.  You need understand that the blessing of Abraham and the blessings that God promised to national Israel are not same thing.   Gentiles are already included in the blessing of salvation promised to Abraham.


The blessings given to Abraham's physical descendents are not transferrable to the Church.  The Church and Israel are radically separate in the New Testament.  The NT never mixes the two.   There is no transfer of blessing.   The Church may participate in how God has blessed Israel, but the blessings are not transferred.


The notion that God has transferred the blessings of Israel to the church is root of over 1,700 years of ant-semtic persecution by the Church agasint the Jews.   It has no place in biblical Christianity and should trampled underfoot for the satanci teaching that it is.

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#2072460 Does 'Camel Study' prove Bible to be inaccurate?

Posted by shiloh357 on 18 February 2014 - 05:34 PM

If the Bible says Abraham had camels, he had camels.  The Bible has been proven over and over to be true, right down the most minor details.  Those who owned camels may have been only privileged few and so you would not expect to a large amount of evidence of domesticated camels.   They were probably not common pack animals, like mules but that doesn't mean that Abraham didn't own camels..


It is important to let the Bible be your starting point for truth.  Begin and end with the Bible and you won't go wrong.   Let me tell you, there is a long history of archeologists claiming things like "There is no evidence united Monarchy under King David"  and that the story of the fall of the walls of Jericho was not true, only to be proven wrong later.   They never learn and this is just one more example of scientists in futility trying to contradict the Bible and they will be proven wrong as well.  

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#2036832 How do you pray?

Posted by Omegaman on 01 December 2013 - 06:28 PM

I think also, that to pray in the name of Jesus, means to pray, confident in the authority He gave us. We still use this sort of language today: Stop, in the name of the law" means that one is being ordered to stop, because the law has authority.
Jesus has authority, and when we recognize that, use it, are obedient to it and seek Gods will, we are praying authoritatively, praying in the name of Jesus.
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#2035333 The rapture: fact or mystery?

Posted by Fez on 28 November 2013 - 07:21 AM

Fact or mystery as you ask in your OP?


It's both!

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#2034148 Mid-tribulation rapture: why i believe so.

Posted by kingdomwitness on 25 November 2013 - 03:06 PM

The Pope may not literally be the Antichrist but he may have a role to play in ushering in the Antichrist.
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#1887795 A word from this Ministry - Please Read

Posted by OneLight on 21 November 2012 - 01:24 PM

What is going on lately? Why is there so much discord/division? Why are there so many personal attacks, insults and downright disrespect toward each other?

I have been asking these questions to myself as I read the reports and check threads of interest. I wanted to blame it on the intensity of the election, but the election has passed and this still continues. I have only my imagination to measure how the results have affected people’s lives.

I do know one thing. God is preparing this world for the return of His Son. When I look to Scripture for a description of how the world will be, it is much uglier than what I see today. Yet what I do see is an escalation to what He tells us will happen. I am concerned that if we, because of just one election, become so quick to judge and cause pain, what will we be like when it continues to get worst? I have to shake my head due to the images this question brings to me. I do not like what my imagination shows.

We are His children, whether or not we agree with who should run the country, what we should pay for taxes, who does what to themselves, and how disturbing the future looks as we remember our past. We are not these things, though they have an effect on us if we allow it. We need to continue to seek God and follow His directions. We need to keep our focus on Him and what He has called us to do.

So, how does all this relate to my questions? I am convinced that we in ministry cannot continue to allow things to get too far down the wrong road before we step in. At one time, members used to work things out after a few posts, but that is not what I have been seeing in the past months. So, I ask everyone to do the following:
  • If you know you are butting heads with another member, be the first to offer an olive branch and be the peacemaker.
  • If you notice that you are getting heated by another’s response, walk away from the thread until you know you have His peace back in your life over the issue.
  • If you feel strongly about an issue between you and another member, offer to debate it in the Soap Box forum so the two of you can focus on each other’s response and not all the other posts of those who want to be involved.
  • Check your attitudes as you post, ensuring that what you are posting is exactly what you want to post.
  • Watch your words. Using passive aggressive statements are just as cutting and demeaning as an outright insult.
  • Ensure that you are discussing the issue, not the person.
  • If you have a personal statement to another member, take it private and remain respectful.
  • Take the time to ensure that what you think someone is saying is what they are saying, not reading into another’s post.
  • Ask questions for clarification when a statement is unclear instead of assuming you know what someone is saying is advisable.
  • Back up your words with supporting Scripture. If you don’t, one could easily see a post as “cause I said so”, which goes absolutely nowhere.
  • If you witness a wayward post or thread, please report it. We cannot be everywhere at once and there are far too many threads to read through to catch everything. I would rather have to filter through many reports then to have anyone think we are playing favorites by allowing a member to blast another member, or that a topic is allowed when it should not be.
  • Always seek the guidance from the Holy Spirit as to how to reply to a post.
  • Last, but far from the least, post as if you are posting to Jesus, because He is with you and everyone else.

We are trying our best to turn Worthy into a place where heavy discussions and debates are without any insults and attacks. If you are not already familiar with our Terms of Service or Statement of Faith, please do familiarize yourself with them both.

By taking time to become aware of what you are posting is a start. We will not accomplish this overnight, but by taking one-step at a time, we will all feel safer about who we are and what we believe. I know that when I have a wall up, which is the result of negative posting, I am not going to accept any correction I may need that is brought to me through the one who is insulting me while offering me truth.

The other side of the coin is that if we find people continuing to attack and insult, we will be restricting them from posting for a few days so they can consider their actions. In the past, all we had was Mod Review or a ban. By placing someone on MR, we had to spend a lot of time reading continued insults and attacks, sometimes at us for taking action. This has taken too much time from the forums, so we are trying to step back from this and allow people time to think things over. I have personally had to take a few days off from the site and seek the Lord for a refreshing on the Fruit of the Spirit in my life and to ensure that the words I use come from Him and not my flesh. I suggest others consider doing the same before things come to a point where we have to move you in that direction.

I encourage all of use to learn to step back from our posts before we hit the “Post” button and read what we are about to submit as if we are reading it for the first time with no preconceived idea of what was written. This will help to ensure that what we are about to submit is what we really what to say. Nobody can read anyone’s mind, so clarity of thought is essential for correct understanding.

Here are a few closing verses to keep in mind when posting.

Colossians 4:5-6 (NKJV)

Walk in wisdom toward those who are outside, redeeming the time. Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.

John 13:34-35 (NKJV)

A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

Galatians 5:16-26 (NKJV)

Walking in the Spirit

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Ephesians 6:10-20

The Whole Armor of God

Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints— and for me, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
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#1741528 Like to debate?

Posted by JohnArizona on 17 November 2011 - 03:15 PM

Here is some helpful guidelines for keeping a discussion civil and Godly.

Debate Advice and Suggestions

Advice on Debating with Others

1. Avoid the use of Never.
2. Avoid the use of Always.
3. Refrain from saying you are wrong.
4. You can say your idea is mistaken.
5. Don't disagree with obvious truths.
6. Attack the idea not the person.
7. Use many rather than most.
8. Avoid exaggeration.
9. Use some rather than many.
10. The use of often allows for exceptions.
11. The use of generally allows for exceptions.
12. Quote sources and numbers.
13. If it is just an opinion, admit it.
14. Do not present opinion as facts.
15. Smile when disagreeing.
16. Stress the positive.
17. You do not need to win every battle to win the war.
18. Concede minor or trivial points.
19. Avoid bickering, quarreling, and wrangling.
20. Watch your tone of voice.
21. Don't win a debate and lose a friend.
22. Keep your perspective - You're just debating.

You need to be very polite when disagreeing with someone, even someone you know quite well.
With someone you know very well, you can disagree more directly.

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#2095741 Story: Professor Fails Entire Class After Experiment

Posted by GoldenEagle on 15 April 2014 - 07:09 PM

Story: Professor Fails Entire Class After Experiment


This story was circulated back in 2013. While details were shown not to be true the basic principle of the story is sound: communism/socialism doesn’t work. Many people today around the world, not just in the United States, aspire to work for the government. In many cases these are good paying jobs with few incentives for creativity or improvement.



An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.


The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on this socialistic plan. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A” He decided to substitute grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all students.


After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied less.


The second test average was a D! Needless to say no one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.  As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.


To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great. But when government takes all the rewards or incentives away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that.


Wayne Dupree of the Independent Journal Review outlines the, “5 best sentences you’ll ever read on this experiment”:


1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.


2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.


3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.


4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!


5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.



Something to consider for sure. 
What do you think of socialism? What do you make of the story and 5 points above?

God bless,


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