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#1991466 Why I Post Bible ~ FresnoJoe

Posted by FresnoJoe on 24 August 2013 - 12:57 PM

March 10, 2007


In my question to Christians I said I was not being curt or snide but asking an honest question. If I offended you somehow, I apologize for that but still believe the question to be legitimate. I quote Scriptures all the time but, have learned to add their meaning and relevance and personal conversation in exhortation and friendly talk. The reason is they are just words and makes us the appearance of "Bible Thumpers" through scripture but no Living Water with them. The Word says His Word will pour out of OUR Bellies like Living Water. Without that, they are like "tinkling brass" most times. If anyone of us look back to those who reached our hearts before we came to Christ, we see it was a real application of Scripture in Words with His Word Living in them yet, not changed from their meaning. That is my point and I believe Jesus' point when He talked of Living Water. Look at His conversations with people, lowly non=educated common people. They were amazed at His conversation because they heard the Law in the Temple read by the priests and scribes But Jesus brought them to Life as did All His disciples/Apostles. Thing about it..

Blessings in Jesus,

Brother Ron Cruise



Point taken brother.
No offense.

Ron, you are a true brother.
Our Lord has some purpose in our discussion which will bring Glory to Him.

"A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver."
(Proverbs 25:11)

I know my Lord and He always leads me besides still waters and into the pastures I need.
It may have taken 23 years or so, but when He moves, it is perfect. :24:
God also has an amazing sense of humor and I am beginning to laugh at myself as I see a little of what He is doing with our dialog.

Yes Lord and Amen!

He is so dear maybe I can sit at His feet for a few billion years or so and just drink Him in before I get busy with whatever He has for me to do!

I lead with my heart, so be assured brother, an honest answer.

I am not impressed with my words nor with the words of man.
However, My soul paints for His Word.

The Bible Bot in Chat is a personal favorite of mine at Worthy.
I would love to see it tag a Bible scripture at the end of each post on the boards.

The only thing that has saved my life since I was six years old is The Word of God and The God behind it.
God put the Bible into my young hands and people into my young life to teach me to read it.
The KJV was my reading primer when I was five, six and seven.
This was one of the first verses planted into my heart and it has never left me.

"Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee."
(Psalms 119:11)

The Christian parents in my young life brought extreme pain and suffering to me but God never left me nor did He ever forsake me.
I love them dearly and pray for them in their old age (Dad is slowly dying) and I look forward to spending eternity with them as I do with secondeve and emeralgirl should God be Gracious unto them and they respond. Cartwheels before The Throne?

The Bible was where I learned to truly love.
It is the only reason I still have a marriage and a passionate one at that after 37 years with my sweetheart!
It is the only reason I knew how to love my baby boy.

It is the reason I quit drinking stone cold when I got angry at my wife 28 years ago while drunk.
It is the reason I just quit smoking last summer after 46 years of a pack-a-day non-filters with no patch, no desire to quit and no conviction of sin!
I just wanted to get even closer to Jesus down here because He hasn't taken me home to Him yet.
Quitting cigarettes was all of Jesus and none of Joe.

The Holy Bible was a Mother's love and a Father's council to me as a child.
It is my everything and, along with the wife of my youth, my comfort as I grow old and feeble.

The WORD through The Word is the most precious thing I have to offer the dear folks at Worthy.
Scriptures are my lifeline to God's Love and I post them out of love.

Please forgive me one more time but I do need to check the "tinkling brass" reference.
The fruit of abiding in Jesus!

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal."
"And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing."
"And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing."
(1 Corinthians 13:1-3)

Yes and Amen Lord!

Dear Brother, these "Bible Thumping" Words I post are the very words of life, love and hope to me.
I do not get the same joy and instructions from any man or woman until they begin to speak Bible Words.

It breaks my heart and grieves my spirit to see the tossing out of God's Word throughout the "civilized" Christen world.
Many of the through-the-Bible verse by verse Churches today, speed read the Bible in the evenings and talk and talk and talk incessantly about their personal views and their personal life in the morning "application" service.
They used to show Jesus with every sermon even in Books like Leviticus but the anointing has left them or I came on the wrong days.

I am too old and sick for this nonsense so I fall asleep and then I snore and my wife has really sharp elbows so I can't sit there any more and my ribs still hurt! There are other health issues which also keep us away.

I hope and pray Christians will share God's counsel with any unsaved friends they love and fellowship with at Worthy.
I would hope and pray the unsaved would nail their Christian friends to the wall until they receive a true understand of who Jesus is and why He is the most important person ever to walk the earth and why it is needful to act now!

I know God says it far better then I can and, without posting The Word I'll probably get it wrong but here goes!

Sin is real and more deadly to the soul of the sinner than the venom of a viper and it is totally nasty in God's sight and cannot be in His presence.

Hell is real and eternal.

All have sinned.

God The Father so loved the sinner that He laid the lashes for all the sins upon His Beloved Son to save the few who will receive His Gift.

Jesus, God The Son, totally without sin, so loved His Father and the sinner that He went to and stayed upon The Cross and became sin and took all the lashes needed to full pay the sin debt of the whole world to save the few who will receive His Gift!

All you need to do is to turn away from your nasty old sinful self, repent of your nasty old sinful self and receive God's gift by faith.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
(John 3:16)

Which you can't even do by yourself except for The Holy Spirit drawing you to God and convicting you of your horrible sinfulness and Jesus' total innocence and totally breaking your heart for what you have done!

Perhaps you are correct brother.
My Heart will not allow me to past by a lost and hurting person without leaving a few of the Words of Life.
Maybe I should just give in and change my user name to Thumper!

A new apologetics is settling over Western Christendom.
One where God's Holy Word is not welcome, period.
Although Worthy has some of these young "Christian" Turks swarming around it, this apostasy has not and I think will not strike deep into the Worthy Boards or Worthy Chat.

You can discuss science, weather, news or anything you desire and you can quote anything or anyone except extreme profanities and most all obscenities but you can not post any Bible scripture whatever.
We have young ones coming onto Worthy claiming Christ as their Lord and Savior but hating God's Word and actively trying to stop it's appearance at Worthy.
They have poled the unbelievers on other web sites to discover what they are comfortable with and then these "Christians" actively campaign to keep all Bible quotes or any Christian references to "creation" off "their" boards here at Worthy.

It's the strangest thing I've seen outside of a cult!
Like some made-up fake Antichrist bolted together by a Frankenstein committee of Atheist Adults and Bible-less, Jesus-less teenage Church kids claiming to be Christians.
He is a all evolutionist, all symbolic Bible and all science is the savior of earth and Mankind but, somehow, still he is "Christian".

Ron, I am truly saddened when I hear the Words of Jesus which are life to me are just thumping to the lost and the hopeless!
You and I both know what a closed Bible means and it is a heart breaker!.
When I see this reaction, it does break my heart and sends me to The Throne and to plead for The Word and The Holy Spirit to act upon the Heart.

"The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:"
"The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:"
"The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace."
(Numbers 6:24-26)

"And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them." (Numbers 6:27)

Love, Joe

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#1985084 Trust God, Not Circumstances

Posted by GoldenEagle on 12 August 2013 - 10:54 AM

Hope this encourages some of us that are going through the storms of life. Remember God is good. Even in the storms of life God is good. :)

God bless,


Trusting God in the midst of bad circumstances

I had this realization that seems really obvious, but for some reason it took me a while to get it.

I should be just as confident that things are going to work out when they look crazy as when everything looks fine and dandy. The opposite is true as well. Even though things look peaceful and calm, that is not an indication of security. Our security comes from God. It is not at all dependent on what is going on around us. Whether it is the economy, our finances, our children, our marriages, we can (and should) trust God with all of it.


Romans 8:2
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

It just dawned on me recently after going through a faith test that it really doesn’t matter whether it is easy or difficult to trust God. As my circumstances began to “look” better, I noticed myself trusting a bit less in God and a bit more in myself. After all, my circumstances weren’t requiring as much faith. I kind of slapped myself a bit and realized that I am no less dependent on God when things are going good as I am when they are going terrible.

The good circumstances are only an illusion of security. When things look good, it is easy to understand how things will all work out. But isn’t it amazing how quickly I can go running back to God in faith when things look bad again? I quickly realize that “good circumstances” provide no true security.

The great news is that for believers, bad circumstances are only an illusion of a lack of security.


Trust God in the storm

It reminds me of Jesus sleeping on the boat during the middle of the storm. He said, “let us go to the other side.” But yet when things started looking bad enough, they started to doubt that would happen. The truth is, no matter how bad things looked, they were just as secure. They had God in the flesh on the boat with them! How could they really think that they wouldn’t make it?

Mark 4:35-41

On that day, when evening came, He said to them, “Let us go over to the other side.” Leaving the crowd, they took Him along with them in the boat, just as He was; and other boats were with Him. And there arose a fierce gale of wind, and the waves were breaking over the boat so much that the boat was already filling up. Jesus Himself was in the stern, asleep on the cushion; and they woke Him and said to Him, “Teacher, do You not care that we are perishing?” And He got up and rebuked the wind and said to the sea, “Hush, be still.” And the wind died down and it became perfectly calm. And He said to them, “Why are you afraid? Do you still have no faith?” They became very much afraid and said to one another, “Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey Him?”

When they finally were freaking out enough, they woke Him up and frustrated with their lack of faith, He told the storm to calm down. They just didn’t get it. They didn’t realize who Jesus was. They didn’t realize that it didn’t matter how bad it got, He was there with them.

It is no different for us today. We have the promise of God that He will never leave us, nor forsake us. It doesn’t matter how bad things look, it is merely an illusion. Don’t be deceived: when your trust is in God, you could not be more secure.



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#2204352 Our brother FresnoJoe

Posted by ncn on 22 March 2015 - 03:09 PM

Joe is one of the Ministry team and an invaluable member of Worthy.

His posts are filled with love and words of wisdom from the Word.

There is not one member that has not been helped by Joe’s kindness and love.


At this moment in time he is going through some health issues and will be going for more tests on Wednesday.

I ask all of you to join me in praying for our brother and his dear wife during this time.


May God’s will be done in our faithful brother’s life.  


Heb 4:16  Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. 


God Bless you brother,

for all you do on Worthy and for the extra time you spend on each and every post. 


Love Nigel. 

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#2201805 I need a few opinions on this....

Posted by wingnut- on 13 March 2015 - 01:42 PM

Hello Katrina,


When it comes to conviction, that is a personal matter.  In regards to your questions regarding music and what is acceptable, it is a determination you will have to make for yourself.  If you feel convicted about a certain song or artist, then you should pay attention to that.  What may be wrong for someone else is not necessarily wrong for you, we each work out our own salvation.


There are christian artists amongst secular music, so I don't think this is something that can be painted with a broad brush.  Was Beethoven a christian?  Should a person not enjoy his symphonies if he wasn't?  I think there are clearly some songs and artists that should not be embraced by christians, but I leave that for each individual to determine for themselves.

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#2206874 pot stirring - halfway houses

Posted by Steve_S on 31 March 2015 - 11:15 PM

If it is me, I hope those people do well in their recovery and recognize their right to occupy that property just as I have a right to occupy mine.

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#2198516 Yoga Warning

Posted by shiloh357 on 02 March 2015 - 04:44 PM

The problem with yoga (any part of it) is that it cannot be detached from its paganism.   Yoga means "joined together."  It is referring to being joined with the Hindu god Brahman which is nor really a god, per se.  It is more like a force and it brings you into union with the universe.   The "stretching"  and sitting the lotus position is all about being in union with the Hindu god/force.   You can't really separate it out or compartmentalize it.  It doesn't work that way. 


Participation in Yoga is participation in pagan worship, and it doesn't really matter what your intentions are.  Yoga is not what we make it.  It is what it is, and it is unpleasing to the Lord for us to participate in something like this on any level for any reason, according to His word.

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#2198132 Yoga Warning

Posted by shiloh357 on 01 March 2015 - 11:31 AM

Play with fire long enough you will get burned.  A lot of people who end up in sin didn't necessarily intend for that to happen.  The biblical ideal is to get as far away from sin as we can, not see how close we can get to the edge without falling in.

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#2009210 Tax Collector or Pharisee?

Posted by Hippie333 on 02 October 2013 - 02:54 PM

Are you the tax collector or the Pharisee?

Luk 18:9 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt:
Luk 18:10 "Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.'
Luk 18:13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner!'
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted."
....me lately I like to look at what Paul said about his sin -
1Ti 1:12 I thank him who has given me strength, Christ Jesus our Lord, because he judged me faithful, appointing me to his service,
1Ti 1:13 though formerly I was a blasphemer, persecutor, and insolent opponent. But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief,
1Ti 1:14 and the grace of our Lord overflowed for me with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:15 The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost.
1Ti 1:16 But I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life.....
See Paul, even though a man filled with the love of Christ ....knew that his sins were the same as any other mans....in verse 15 he says : I am the foremost - meaning I am the chief of sinners....

He hoped that others would see that regardless of his past as a great sinner and persecutor of Christians that others would see that if God could forgive him....that he could YOU too! - Paul had hoped that people could see that even though the best of us sin still - that it does not change what Christ did for us, that it does not change the message given by a man ( for even the best will still sin) - Christ died on the cross to free us of our sins...not give a license to sin continually, but to know we are still of the flesh, we still sin at times when we know better, or may not even want to do what we do. Paul says in Romans -
Rom 7:15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.
Rom 7:16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good.
Rom 7:17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out

Paul says I AM A SINNER! - I am only saved through the MERCY of Christ - I cannot do what I desire for I cannot do it alone - I can only do things with the Lord giving me the strength to do so - Paul says in 2 Corinthians -

2Co 12:7 So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited.
2Co 12:8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me.
2Co 12:9 But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Folks, it comes down to this - we can't cast out the message because of the messenger - we are ALL sinners - none better than the other - none worse -
We are only free from these sins through the Grace, Love and Mercy of Jesus Christ.


Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


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#1887795 A word from this Ministry - Please Read

Posted by OneLight on 21 November 2012 - 01:24 PM

What is going on lately? Why is there so much discord/division? Why are there so many personal attacks, insults and downright disrespect toward each other?

I have been asking these questions to myself as I read the reports and check threads of interest. I wanted to blame it on the intensity of the election, but the election has passed and this still continues. I have only my imagination to measure how the results have affected people’s lives.

I do know one thing. God is preparing this world for the return of His Son. When I look to Scripture for a description of how the world will be, it is much uglier than what I see today. Yet what I do see is an escalation to what He tells us will happen. I am concerned that if we, because of just one election, become so quick to judge and cause pain, what will we be like when it continues to get worst? I have to shake my head due to the images this question brings to me. I do not like what my imagination shows.

We are His children, whether or not we agree with who should run the country, what we should pay for taxes, who does what to themselves, and how disturbing the future looks as we remember our past. We are not these things, though they have an effect on us if we allow it. We need to continue to seek God and follow His directions. We need to keep our focus on Him and what He has called us to do.

So, how does all this relate to my questions? I am convinced that we in ministry cannot continue to allow things to get too far down the wrong road before we step in. At one time, members used to work things out after a few posts, but that is not what I have been seeing in the past months. So, I ask everyone to do the following:
  • If you know you are butting heads with another member, be the first to offer an olive branch and be the peacemaker.
  • If you notice that you are getting heated by another’s response, walk away from the thread until you know you have His peace back in your life over the issue.
  • If you feel strongly about an issue between you and another member, offer to debate it in the Soap Box forum so the two of you can focus on each other’s response and not all the other posts of those who want to be involved.
  • Check your attitudes as you post, ensuring that what you are posting is exactly what you want to post.
  • Watch your words. Using passive aggressive statements are just as cutting and demeaning as an outright insult.
  • Ensure that you are discussing the issue, not the person.
  • If you have a personal statement to another member, take it private and remain respectful.
  • Take the time to ensure that what you think someone is saying is what they are saying, not reading into another’s post.
  • Ask questions for clarification when a statement is unclear instead of assuming you know what someone is saying is advisable.
  • Back up your words with supporting Scripture. If you don’t, one could easily see a post as “cause I said so”, which goes absolutely nowhere.
  • If you witness a wayward post or thread, please report it. We cannot be everywhere at once and there are far too many threads to read through to catch everything. I would rather have to filter through many reports then to have anyone think we are playing favorites by allowing a member to blast another member, or that a topic is allowed when it should not be.
  • Always seek the guidance from the Holy Spirit as to how to reply to a post.
  • Last, but far from the least, post as if you are posting to Jesus, because He is with you and everyone else.

We are trying our best to turn Worthy into a place where heavy discussions and debates are without any insults and attacks. If you are not already familiar with our Terms of Service or Statement of Faith, please do familiarize yourself with them both.

By taking time to become aware of what you are posting is a start. We will not accomplish this overnight, but by taking one-step at a time, we will all feel safer about who we are and what we believe. I know that when I have a wall up, which is the result of negative posting, I am not going to accept any correction I may need that is brought to me through the one who is insulting me while offering me truth.

The other side of the coin is that if we find people continuing to attack and insult, we will be restricting them from posting for a few days so they can consider their actions. In the past, all we had was Mod Review or a ban. By placing someone on MR, we had to spend a lot of time reading continued insults and attacks, sometimes at us for taking action. This has taken too much time from the forums, so we are trying to step back from this and allow people time to think things over. I have personally had to take a few days off from the site and seek the Lord for a refreshing on the Fruit of the Spirit in my life and to ensure that the words I use come from Him and not my flesh. I suggest others consider doing the same before things come to a point where we have to move you in that direction.

I encourage all of use to learn to step back from our posts before we hit the “Post” button and read what we are about to submit as if we are reading it for the first time with no preconceived idea of what was written. This will help to ensure that what we are about to submit is what we really what to say. Nobody can read anyone’s mind, so clarity of thought is essential for correct understanding.

Here are a few closing verses to keep in mind when posting.

Colossians 4:5-6 (NKJV)

Walk in wisdom toward those who are outside, redeeming the time. Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.

John 13:34-35 (NKJV)

A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

Galatians 5:16-26 (NKJV)

Walking in the Spirit

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Ephesians 6:10-20

The Whole Armor of God

Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints— and for me, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
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#1722746 OC - To the Believers - read often!

Posted by Botz on 21 September 2011 - 05:07 AM

1. In Outer Court, those who don't share our beliefs are welcome. This is a place where seekers and nonbelievers alike can ask us about our beliefs and engage in productive discussion regarding faith and other topics.

2. As Believers we should extend to them every courtesy, especially as there was a time when we too did not know the Saviour.

3. Sometimes the interaction can get a bit heated as each party seeks to present their view, this is inevitable if people are passionate about what they are discussing. We ask that seekers, nonbelievers, and members alike who post in Outer Court maintain civility and follow the 
Terms of Service and that posters maintain vigilance with regards to this, especially when in a more heated discussion.

4. This section of the Boards should be covered with prayer and grace, and this should be evident in the way we treat our guests and unbelieving friends.

5. The only Believers who should be here are those that are happy to engage those who don't share our faith. Please understand that it is possible to disagree with someone without resorting to personal attack. Also, brothers and sisters in Christ, please be cognizant of the fact that tough questions may be asked here and when this happens it's not necessarily an attack on our faith or on God. (I suggest you pray about this).


6.  We do ask that anyone who perceives a violation of the Terms of Service make use of the Report button on the bottom left side of each post. This will make it far less likely that threads end up locked or closed, as it allows us to handle situations before they spiral out of control. Most closures occur because of personal attacks (debating the person, not the subject). If you feel attacked please report it and refrain from responding in kind.


Galatians 5:22-26 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,  gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.  Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another. 

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#2213037 Tithing & giving: The letter and the Spirit of the law? Thoughts?

Posted by George on 22 April 2015 - 01:45 PM

What interesting about this discussion is how far its strayed from the original question.

Tithing & giving: The letter and the Spirit of the law? Thoughts?

What the Bible does declare to the New Testament believer is this -- to be a CHEERFUL giver!


2Co 9:7  Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.


First of all -- if you are not a CHEERFUL giver -- than you can't expect ANYTHING in return!  What's interesting is the word -- CHEERFUL!  It's the greek word -- hilaros



From the same as G2436; propitious or merry (“hilarious”), that is, prompt or willing: - cheerful.


If you are not HILARIOUSLY giving -- then don't bother!  If you are GIVING because you're expecting something in return -- don't bother!


However, if you are giving because you want to fulfill the commandment of Jesus --


Act 20:32  And now I commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
Act 20:33  I coveted no one's silver or gold or apparel.
Act 20:34  You yourselves know that these hands ministered to my necessities and to those who were with me.
Act 20:35  In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'"


Then I don't believe you can really OUTGIVE God!  I believe the TITHE is just a starting point of one's giving.  The blessings of God are fulfill not necessarily with a financial reward when you give -- but a spiritual reward which you cannot see!


If one is giving because he's being coerced into giving by a "guilt" or because of a promise of "financial" prosperity, then the motivation has totally been missed and thus is the error in giving.  However if you're motivation is to be a HILARIOUS giver -- then surely you will be blessed! 


Surely everyone can agree with that?  :)

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#2211006 "Dressing Up" for church

Posted by Qnts2 on 16 April 2015 - 08:26 AM

How to dress for church appears to be a big, and hot topic.


Let's just say, I am a bit neurotic when it comes to clothes. Make me wear a dress, and I will be so uncomfortable, tugging at the thing, always aware that I have to be careful to sit in a manner which makes sure nothing hikes up or is visible. I would not be listening to a sermon, or really participating in anything. So, I wear jeans. For me, I am honoring the Lord when I can give Him attention, rather the fidgeting with my clothes or thinking about them.


A long time ago, I discovered that Churches are not going to change for me. And I am unable to force a Church to change. So, I might like a church and what they are teaching, but a Church which teaches people they need to dress up to honor God, and that idea of dress up is something which causes me to miss the reason for going to worship, I simply won't attend that church. I find it sad that so much emphasis is put on outward appearance or thinking outward appearance might mean a person is not honoring God.


For me, it is not worth the discussion. Some people might feel uncomfortable in a church where everyone wears jeans, so much so that they are distracted from the purpose. Just as I am with dressing up. Clothes, either way, should not be the distraction. So, we go to a good church which enables us to be comfortable enough to worship the Lord. 

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#2210701 The Whole Doctrine of Hell - My Uncertainty... Here's Why

Posted by bopeep1909 on 14 April 2015 - 11:39 PM

God does not send people to hell.People send themselves to hell because of their choice not to believe in Jesus Christ.Everyone in this world needs to ask themselves a question.Where do I want to spend eternity?heaven or hell?oh and by the way.....hell is very real.It is to Satan's advantage for a person not to believe in hell.

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#2205791 A Ghost from Worthy Past.

Posted by AFaceInTheCrowd on 27 March 2015 - 10:37 PM

Hello dearest friends. It's been a few years since I've entered into the fellowship halls of Worthy.Life has been filled with ups and downs in these several years for me but it's nothing that GOD can't fix.Most of you knew me as Bloodbought or B.B. I'm hoping to get back on track with things and hopefully I'll pop in from time to time to rekindle the fire that once overtook my soul.Be blessed!

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#2185066 My eldest son,recieved Jesus,as his Savior.....

Posted by 7Dove77 on 20 January 2015 - 07:35 PM



After all these years praying for my (4) children.My eldest,who is (30),received Jesus ,as his Savior.....1/18/2015

Just wanted to share this with the Worthy team.

Prayer does work,as a parent,dont ever give up (Hope).trust Gods promises,he is Faithful..Just keep praying.


My son,said,he finial gave up,doing it his way,because it just doesn't work,And that he has seen what Jesus has done in other peoples lives,as well as his own..........So,Warriors,I ask that you keep him in prayer,because he fully understands,that the adversary will now try to intervien.So he has scripture to carry with him,,to speak out Gods promisies for him...


I have one more son to go,who needs to receive Jesus as his SAvior,

I am praying for those parents who have kids also,I may not know who they are,but God does.



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#2210785 The Whole Doctrine of Hell - My Uncertainty... Here's Why

Posted by kwikphilly on 15 April 2015 - 11:56 AM

Blessings teenquestionss

    Welcome to Worthy,,,,,I am so glad you are here and it is just wonderful & refreshing to meet a young person who would rather spend their time here,asking questions about the things of God as opposed to the many things of the world most young people would prefer to do.You fill my heart with Joy and I am so happy that you have accepted Jesus as your Lord & Savior,God Bless you,dear one

     There is really not much to add to what our Brothers & Sisters have already shared with you,,,,,,,what is unfair is that I am going to go to Heaven,if it were not for Jesus I could never have  earned Heaven,I would have certainly be condemned if I had to stand before the Great White Throne Judgement....Oh but for the Grace of God!!!Imagine having to give an account for every single word,every single deed,.every single sin ,,,,,,,I get sick just thinking about it ,,

       I hope you don't mind me saying but when I was your age I had the exact same questions,,,,,I think in our innocense we want to believe that many more will get to Heaven than actually will,,,,it is so difficult to think outside of our finite minds and to grasp eternal Truths,,,,


King James Bible
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.                                                               Isaiah 55:8


King James Bible
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.                       Romans 9:15

     Well,the most important thing is that we must know that Gods Word is the Truth,every single Word of it and to not believe part of it is to not believe any of it ,,,,,,,,when we have doubts about anything in the Bible the best thing to do is to ask for the Counselor to give us Wisdom & Understanding as we seek God IN HIS WORD,He will reveal Himself to us when we look for him with an earnest heart .............Faith comes by hearing the Word of God,as your Faith grows and your walk with Jesus grows so does your trust & your relationship with Him,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      The enemy is always looking to deceive ,especially a young fiesty Child of God that will ultimately be used to lead many to the foot of the cross,,,,,,hell is real,the road to destruction is broad & many will choose it,,,,,,,that is satans best kept secret,be bold & confident in the inerrant,infallible Word of God......God Bless you                                                           With love-in Christ,Kwik

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#2210779 Greetings To Every One

Posted by kwikphilly on 15 April 2015 - 11:11 AM

Blessings Jim,Dear Brother...

      I am thrilled for you,for us,for Worthy!!!!!! Shall we give our Loving Father a wonderful Praise? Halleluyah!!!!!!!Our Almighty Father certainly fills our hearts desires when our hearts are in the right place,doesn't He?Your happiness brings me such Joy,,,,,,,,,,,,I do believe you will be Blessed abundantly through this Ministry,Gods little flock,as I have and so,,,,,,Be Blessed to be a blessing!!!!!! Glory Glory Glory Halleluyah!!!!                 Love,Kwik

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#2210081 "Dressing Up" for church

Posted by ncn on 12 April 2015 - 02:52 PM

I know of a young  boy who doesn't sit on the fence when it comes to Jesus. 


"He wears a ninja costume to church , he's called Charlie and he is four years old.

I don't think God minds, in fact I think God is happy with Charlie.  

I reckon God's just glad that a little kid knows HIM and wants to go to church." 



(Posted for DrewT as he doesn't have enough posts for this forum) 

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#2206892 pot stirring - halfway houses

Posted by DrewT on 01 April 2015 - 12:29 AM

I hope when my dad gets out of jail people aint mean to him and give him a chance to do right

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#2204463 Our brother FresnoJoe

Posted by FresnoJoe on 23 March 2015 - 06:20 AM

Beloved, Thank You For Your Prayers


At This Time There Are Two "Known" Infections In My Body, Both Under Treatment

Other Tests (Blood Cultures) Have Not Yet Reported In


Nevertheless I Gain A Little More Strength With Each Passing Day

And, My Vision Is Clearing~!


I Am Blessed


Love, Your Brother Joe

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