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Posted by ayin jade on 28 March 2012 - 07:03 PM
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1. In Outer Court, those who don't share our beliefs are welcome. This is a place where seekers and nonbelievers alike can ask us about our beliefs and engage in productive discussion regarding faith and other topics.
2. As Believers we should extend to them every courtesy, especially as there was a time when we too did not know the Saviour.
3. Sometimes the interaction can get a bit heated as each party seeks to present their view, this is inevitable if people are passionate about what they are discussing. We ask that seekers, nonbelievers, and members alike who post in Outer Court maintain civility and follow the Terms of Service and that posters maintain vigilance with regards to this, especially when in a more heated discussion.
4. This section of the Boards should be covered with prayer and grace, and this should be evident in the way we treat our guests and unbelieving friends.
5. The only Believers who should be here are those that are happy to engage those who don't share our faith. Please understand that it is possible to disagree with someone without resorting to personal attack. Also, brothers and sisters in Christ, please be cognizant of the fact that tough questions may be asked here and when this happens it's not necessarily an attack on our faith or on God. (I suggest you pray about this).
6. We do ask that anyone who perceives a violation of the Terms of Service make use of the Report button on the bottom left side of each post. This will make it far less likely that threads end up locked or closed, as it allows us to handle situations before they spiral out of control. Most closures occur because of personal attacks (debating the person, not the subject). If you feel attacked please report it and refrain from responding in kind.
Galatians 5:22-26 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.
Posted by shiloh357 on 20 December 2013 - 10:44 AM
Why is that? Why does God have christians pulling their hair out trying to figure it all out?
He doesn't. The problem is that you are trying to fill in the blanks without having all of the information. There is no need to figure it all out. We have enough on our plate as it is. Live for Jesus in the here and now and leave the future in His hands. We will understand it all in the fulness of time.
Posted by WillfromTexas on 14 December 2013 - 07:40 PM
That's like saying electric guitars are satanic, lol. I won't pretend to know a lot about Christian rock but if it's to glorify Jesus there's no issue.
You could take the most satanic lyrics ever and sing them to a piano and choir. It's the content not the package. God judges peoples hearts and not the volume of their music.
Posted by *Zion* on 04 December 2013 - 06:05 AM
Sorry if this is strange to some, but I am just desperate!
I am a Christian. But I need God's love in my life. I now realise that the love I thought was from God was just me trying very hard. I am in a state. I don't even know how to ask, but I am fasting now, and praying for God's divine, supernatural love that He actually is to be deposited in me, fill and permeate and saturate my entire being: body, soul and spirit. I am so thirsty for this love! I need to know what to do - if I have to chase it down, then show me how to do that! I know I need to be much quicker in my spirit.2\
Please help me to pray, I just want it, need it, got to have it!
Posted by stirstik on 03 December 2013 - 08:39 PM
Hey, I thought this would be the appropriate forum to write this. I had a really good day at work, was super productive. I had a lot of energy and was able to think clearly. I also requested a small advance from work today and had put it towards gas and bills that I needed to pay. I have my most important bills paid off, and gas to get me to work until next payday. A couple days ago, I emailed my friends pastor in an attempt to reach our for help and build healthy contacts. The pastors wife called me today at work and we had a really good chat over my lunch break. It's been a really encouraging day, I haven't had a day like that in a really long time so I wanted to share. Thanks
Posted by gdemoss on 28 November 2013 - 10:01 AM
Greetings brothers and sisters in Christ our Lord! I have been away for awhile taking some time to walk with and learn about our God and King. It has been an interesting journey. I come here to offer my apology for being a vessel of dishonor in my youth as a Christian struggling to learn what I had become when I was born again. I would like to thank the many of you who wrestled with me over the issues so that I could learn. I want to refrain from calling any single person out by name for fear that I may not recall every one of you and someone be left out. Truth be known, I do not even know who all played a role in my edification as there are those of you who silently watch and pray who have a profound affect upon all of us who openly engage in discussion and you never utter a word upon the board.
God has been very good to me. My life has been a struggle. I have lost that which means most to me. Everyone of my little plans and designs came to utter failure and in the end I sat in dust and ashes with a broken and contrite heart crying out Abba Father. Through all of it he guided the process and when it was all said and done he revealed greater truth unto me that filled my broken heart with a hope that I had never known. He restored me to a right relationship with him where I seek only to do his will in all things though evil is still present with me when I would to do good. I am here to testify of his goodness but also to let you know that what you do here everyday does amount to much fruit that you will never know about. Please know that every time you share the truth in word that truth accomplishes its mission and your concerted effort to provide a Worthy place of discussion in an evil world will not go unrewarded.
Many thanks given unto our God for all of you, his body! Thy Kingdom Come!!!
Posted by shiloh357 on 18 November 2013 - 06:56 AM
This is much ado about nothing. Most of us were raised with the Santa myth and we are not worse off for it. For me, it was all about the toys. I knew Santa was a myth as a kid, but it was fun to play along because of the anticipation of the toys and all of that.
I think some people underestimate the ability of children to divorce fiction from reality. I knew the presents were from my parents and no one was fooling me. But I played along becasue it was fun for mom and dad and it was fun for me.
As for December 25th... do you have any idea how many pagan holidays there are? There is no point on the calendar that doesn't fall under some pagan festival. But more to the point, December 25th doesn't belong to the witches or pagans. It belongs to the Lord. "This is the day the Lord has made and I will rejoice and be glad in it." Everything belongs to the Lord.
Posted by PSmith on 01 November 2013 - 11:08 PM
Posted by Fez on 12 October 2013 - 12:59 PM
He exists "without" many of us today, so the answer to your question is yes.
Posted by cozmoe on 02 October 2013 - 06:59 PM
Posted by GoldenEagle on 12 August 2013 - 10:54 AM
Hope this encourages some of us that are going through the storms of life. Remember God is good. Even in the storms of life God is good.
I had this realization that seems really obvious, but for some reason it took me a while to get it.
I should be just as confident that things are going to work out when they look crazy as when everything looks fine and dandy. The opposite is true as well. Even though things look peaceful and calm, that is not an indication of security. Our security comes from God. It is not at all dependent on what is going on around us. Whether it is the economy, our finances, our children, our marriages, we can (and should) trust God with all of it.
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.
It just dawned on me recently after going through a faith test that it really doesn’t matter whether it is easy or difficult to trust God. As my circumstances began to “look” better, I noticed myself trusting a bit less in God and a bit more in myself. After all, my circumstances weren’t requiring as much faith. I kind of slapped myself a bit and realized that I am no less dependent on God when things are going good as I am when they are going terrible.
The good circumstances are only an illusion of security. When things look good, it is easy to understand how things will all work out. But isn’t it amazing how quickly I can go running back to God in faith when things look bad again? I quickly realize that “good circumstances” provide no true security.
The great news is that for believers, bad circumstances are only an illusion of a lack of security.
Trust God in the storm
It reminds me of Jesus sleeping on the boat during the middle of the storm. He said, “let us go to the other side.” But yet when things started looking bad enough, they started to doubt that would happen. The truth is, no matter how bad things looked, they were just as secure. They had God in the flesh on the boat with them! How could they really think that they wouldn’t make it?
On that day, when evening came, He said to them, “Let us go over to the other side.” Leaving the crowd, they took Him along with them in the boat, just as He was; and other boats were with Him. And there arose a fierce gale of wind, and the waves were breaking over the boat so much that the boat was already filling up. Jesus Himself was in the stern, asleep on the cushion; and they woke Him and said to Him, “Teacher, do You not care that we are perishing?” And He got up and rebuked the wind and said to the sea, “Hush, be still.” And the wind died down and it became perfectly calm. And He said to them, “Why are you afraid? Do you still have no faith?” They became very much afraid and said to one another, “Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey Him?”
When they finally were freaking out enough, they woke Him up and frustrated with their lack of faith, He told the storm to calm down. They just didn’t get it. They didn’t realize who Jesus was. They didn’t realize that it didn’t matter how bad it got, He was there with them.
It is no different for us today. We have the promise of God that He will never leave us, nor forsake us. It doesn’t matter how bad things look, it is merely an illusion. Don’t be deceived: when your trust is in God, you could not be more secure.
Posted by bopeep1909 on 09 August 2013 - 02:56 PM
Satan works on the fear of us who are Christians.Satan would love all of us to be very afraid.God is in control their is no reason to be afraid of anything.If you admit you are afraid then you are telling God that he is not the King of our Universe.
Posted by Fez on 20 July 2013 - 02:28 PM
What is it about a fire that makes you want to stare into it?
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Posted by shiloh357 on 19 December 2013 - 06:49 AM
I don't know that that claim is correct actually. It may be that forms of the teleological argument could be used to provide *some* empirical evidence that could count for God's existence. Insofar as what we mean by 'science' is something like 'inference involving empirical data' then this is in principle possible.
The problem with the FSM is that it is used as a shortcut by most nonbelievers to make a rough argument for how ill founded they think God's existence is and how ridiculous they think the notion for God's existence is, hence 'FSM-fish' for your car. If you want to talk specifically about the realm of investigation for science then it would be helpful to avoid this particular imagery.
I would argue that inference from empirical data is not science without testability, even though the inference could be completely valid, reasonable, and true. String theory might be a good parallel, string theory being an inferred model from empirical data and mathematics. But either by philosophical or technological limitations string theory has gotten much flack for not being testable, and here we run up against the boundary of science and non-science. So while we may be able to utilize inference from empirical data to support a teleological argument, unless you can make testable those conclusions it is fundamentally not science in my view.
The problem I find when talking specifics about scientific investigation is that I feel people become too attached to their God and don't realize the significance of what it means in science to be supernatural and therefore unfalsifiable. I get the feeling that many view unfalsifiability as some impervious armor and a trump card against 'atheistic' science. I have run into the situation before where people just simply do not understand what it means to be falsifiable let alone the significance of that concept in science, and personal experience tells me that purely technical explanations of these things on internet forums usually doesn't get us anywhere nor are many Christians willing to view the subject abstractly. So I feel that an analogy is a good way to see how unfalsifiability is not a virtue in science by observing how it works in another entity that is supernatural which neither of us believes actually exists, but it seems any analogy is ultimately perceived as belittling and thus taboo to bring up. Is there any analogy that isn't offensive to believers?
The FSM is a bad analogy because it is based on a superfcial comparison. It is a bad analogy because it assumes that similarity in one point of comparison means it will be automatically similar in all other point of comparison.
The logic behind the FSM analogy is that the likelihood of God's existences is as low as the existence of the FSM and that there is no evidence for God's existence just like there is no evidence of the FSM's existence.
Even you should know that making a negative propositional truth claim is untenable because it can't be validated. I can claim that there is no asteroid shaped like the head and face of Bill Gates floating around in the universe, but it is impossible to validate that claim. I can't prove a negative claim.
Atheists cannot disprove God's existence, so they have to fall back to the idea that the likelihood of God's existence has a very, very low probability. The problem is that many are internally consistent with this logic. Scientists know that the odds of all of the elements, molecules and chemicals assembling into the right combinations and ratios to create life is very, very low. Even human life is considered an accident based on low probability according to some leading proponets of Evolution. Yet life exists despite the fact that probility is so low that the existence of living things defies statistical probability. So the low probability argument for the existence of God simply doesn't hold water since low proability is proven, in at least one other context, not to be a reliable positions for atheists to bank on.
The fact is that depite the attempt of FSM analogy to say otherwise, there is evidence for God's existance. Modern science now accepts that there had to be first cause for the existence of the universe and by extension, a first cause for life. The existence of Jesus is evidence of God's existence. The God of the Bible is the best explanation for how the universe came into being.