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#2158001 My adoption, how I see it

Posted by Logan on 17 October 2014 - 01:07 PM



A friend asked me something the other day that really made me think.

He said, "Do you think being adopted has had an effect on the way you see God, as opposed to someone who wasn't?"

When he asked me that, my first thought was, "No, it's nothing special.  God's the same to everyone."

 

However, the more I think about that, the more I realize it isn't true.

Some people put God in a box; they believe that He can't possibly solve their problems.

Some people are still trying to "win" Him over by their good deeds, though they have been believers for years.

Many people see someone altogether different, although we're all looking at the same God.

I realize that I will never, ever understand God, because His ways are higher than my ways, and His thoughts are higher than my thoughts.

(Isaiah 55:9)

 

With that being said, one thing I have learned about God is that He truly loves all of His children.

"How deep the Father's love for us How vast,beyond all measure."

That He should give His ONLY son To make a wretch His treasure"

 

How true that song is.

He loves us SO much, that it simply cannot be measured.  

He only had one begotten Son. He gave him up, sacrificed a part of Himself, to make all of us wretched, hopeless people His treasure.

That sure does sound like adoption to me. Giving up parts of yourself to treasure a child that wasn't yours from the beginning.

 

Another characteristic of God reflected by adoption: unconditional love.

If you've been adopted, and you didn't receive unconditional love from that, my heart hurts for you.

I did receive that, and it truly is amazing.

I pushed my parents away time and again, and I know I hurt them deeply with my rejection.

But don't we do that to God every day? And He never gives up.

Thank God they didn't give up on me. 

 

Consider this:

Do you think that a child, or anyone for that matter, can comprehend a God that gives unconditional love,

that will never give up no matter how many times we push Him away,

that will NEVER abandon us, if they've never been shown it?

I don't. My adoption HAS changed the way I see God.

 

You see, when someone has been abandoned, they have all these doubts and insecurities.

Being adopted didn't magically fix this. My understanding of what that truly means, with my parents and with God, did.

No magic. Just the understanding that I was chosen, even though I felt that there must be something wrong with me.

My parents chose me. God chose me, although I am dirty, shameful, and inadequate.

I revel in that! How amazing it is to know that I don't have to do it all, because I can't! But He loves me anyway.

He chose me as His son, and He will always take care of me.

I know my parents can't always take care of me, but I know they will never stop trying.

I understand that God picked me up out of my insecurities,

 

He didn't let go, and He changed my life. "...From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." -Luke 12:48

 

If you have much, love on some kids. Adopt them, or foster them.

It won't be easy, actually it'll be really hard. But it's amazing being loved by a parent who didn't HAVE to love you.

God calls us all to do just that.

James 1:27 "Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world."

 

Thank you, Dad and Mom, for loving me unconditionally even though I put you guys through it over and over.

I will never be able to express how thankful I am, or how loved I feel.


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#1991466 Why I Post Bible ~ FresnoJoe

Posted by FresnoJoe on 24 August 2013 - 12:57 PM

March 10, 2007

 

In my question to Christians I said I was not being curt or snide but asking an honest question. If I offended you somehow, I apologize for that but still believe the question to be legitimate. I quote Scriptures all the time but, have learned to add their meaning and relevance and personal conversation in exhortation and friendly talk. The reason is they are just words and makes us the appearance of "Bible Thumpers" through scripture but no Living Water with them. The Word says His Word will pour out of OUR Bellies like Living Water. Without that, they are like "tinkling brass" most times. If anyone of us look back to those who reached our hearts before we came to Christ, we see it was a real application of Scripture in Words with His Word Living in them yet, not changed from their meaning. That is my point and I believe Jesus' point when He talked of Living Water. Look at His conversations with people, lowly non=educated common people. They were amazed at His conversation because they heard the Law in the Temple read by the priests and scribes But Jesus brought them to Life as did All His disciples/Apostles. Thing about it..

Blessings in Jesus,

Brother Ron Cruise

 

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Point taken brother.
No offense.

Ron, you are a true brother.
Our Lord has some purpose in our discussion which will bring Glory to Him.

"A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver."
(Proverbs 25:11)

I know my Lord and He always leads me besides still waters and into the pastures I need.
It may have taken 23 years or so, but when He moves, it is perfect. :24:
God also has an amazing sense of humor and I am beginning to laugh at myself as I see a little of what He is doing with our dialog.

Yes Lord and Amen!

He is so dear maybe I can sit at His feet for a few billion years or so and just drink Him in before I get busy with whatever He has for me to do!

I lead with my heart, so be assured brother, an honest answer.

I am not impressed with my words nor with the words of man.
However, My soul paints for His Word.

The Bible Bot in Chat is a personal favorite of mine at Worthy.
I would love to see it tag a Bible scripture at the end of each post on the boards.

The only thing that has saved my life since I was six years old is The Word of God and The God behind it.
God put the Bible into my young hands and people into my young life to teach me to read it.
The KJV was my reading primer when I was five, six and seven.
This was one of the first verses planted into my heart and it has never left me.

"Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee."
(Psalms 119:11)

The Christian parents in my young life brought extreme pain and suffering to me but God never left me nor did He ever forsake me.
I love them dearly and pray for them in their old age (Dad is slowly dying) and I look forward to spending eternity with them as I do with secondeve and emeralgirl should God be Gracious unto them and they respond. Cartwheels before The Throne?

The Bible was where I learned to truly love.
It is the only reason I still have a marriage and a passionate one at that after 37 years with my sweetheart!
It is the only reason I knew how to love my baby boy.

It is the reason I quit drinking stone cold when I got angry at my wife 28 years ago while drunk.
It is the reason I just quit smoking last summer after 46 years of a pack-a-day non-filters with no patch, no desire to quit and no conviction of sin!
I just wanted to get even closer to Jesus down here because He hasn't taken me home to Him yet.
Quitting cigarettes was all of Jesus and none of Joe.

The Holy Bible was a Mother's love and a Father's council to me as a child.
It is my everything and, along with the wife of my youth, my comfort as I grow old and feeble.

The WORD through The Word is the most precious thing I have to offer the dear folks at Worthy.
Scriptures are my lifeline to God's Love and I post them out of love.

Please forgive me one more time but I do need to check the "tinkling brass" reference.
Ah!
Love!
The fruit of abiding in Jesus!


"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal."
"And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing."
"And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing."
(1 Corinthians 13:1-3)

Yes and Amen Lord!


Dear Brother, these "Bible Thumping" Words I post are the very words of life, love and hope to me.
I do not get the same joy and instructions from any man or woman until they begin to speak Bible Words.

It breaks my heart and grieves my spirit to see the tossing out of God's Word throughout the "civilized" Christen world.
Many of the through-the-Bible verse by verse Churches today, speed read the Bible in the evenings and talk and talk and talk incessantly about their personal views and their personal life in the morning "application" service.
They used to show Jesus with every sermon even in Books like Leviticus but the anointing has left them or I came on the wrong days.

I am too old and sick for this nonsense so I fall asleep and then I snore and my wife has really sharp elbows so I can't sit there any more and my ribs still hurt! There are other health issues which also keep us away.

I hope and pray Christians will share God's counsel with any unsaved friends they love and fellowship with at Worthy.
I would hope and pray the unsaved would nail their Christian friends to the wall until they receive a true understand of who Jesus is and why He is the most important person ever to walk the earth and why it is needful to act now!


I know God says it far better then I can and, without posting The Word I'll probably get it wrong but here goes!

Sin is real and more deadly to the soul of the sinner than the venom of a viper and it is totally nasty in God's sight and cannot be in His presence.

Hell is real and eternal.

All have sinned.

God The Father so loved the sinner that He laid the lashes for all the sins upon His Beloved Son to save the few who will receive His Gift.

Jesus, God The Son, totally without sin, so loved His Father and the sinner that He went to and stayed upon The Cross and became sin and took all the lashes needed to full pay the sin debt of the whole world to save the few who will receive His Gift!

All you need to do is to turn away from your nasty old sinful self, repent of your nasty old sinful self and receive God's gift by faith.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
(John 3:16)

Which you can't even do by yourself except for The Holy Spirit drawing you to God and convicting you of your horrible sinfulness and Jesus' total innocence and totally breaking your heart for what you have done!


Perhaps you are correct brother.
My Heart will not allow me to past by a lost and hurting person without leaving a few of the Words of Life.
Maybe I should just give in and change my user name to Thumper!

A new apologetics is settling over Western Christendom.
One where God's Holy Word is not welcome, period.
Although Worthy has some of these young "Christian" Turks swarming around it, this apostasy has not and I think will not strike deep into the Worthy Boards or Worthy Chat.

You can discuss science, weather, news or anything you desire and you can quote anything or anyone except extreme profanities and most all obscenities but you can not post any Bible scripture whatever.
We have young ones coming onto Worthy claiming Christ as their Lord and Savior but hating God's Word and actively trying to stop it's appearance at Worthy.
They have poled the unbelievers on other web sites to discover what they are comfortable with and then these "Christians" actively campaign to keep all Bible quotes or any Christian references to "creation" off "their" boards here at Worthy.

It's the strangest thing I've seen outside of a cult!
Like some made-up fake Antichrist bolted together by a Frankenstein committee of Atheist Adults and Bible-less, Jesus-less teenage Church kids claiming to be Christians.
He is a all evolutionist, all symbolic Bible and all science is the savior of earth and Mankind but, somehow, still he is "Christian".


Ron, I am truly saddened when I hear the Words of Jesus which are life to me are just thumping to the lost and the hopeless!
You and I both know what a closed Bible means and it is a heart breaker!.
When I see this reaction, it does break my heart and sends me to The Throne and to plead for The Word and The Holy Spirit to act upon the Heart.


"The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:"
"The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:"
"The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace."
(Numbers 6:24-26)

"And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them." (Numbers 6:27)

Love, Joe


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#2154671 anyone watch that show

Posted by Rustyangel on 04 October 2014 - 12:16 AM

I hate that show.  No respect from the kids to their parents, the daughter has the morals of an alley cat, the son is always hunting for women and the parents are always insulting each other.  No thanks.


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#2036484 How do you pray?

Posted by bopeep1909 on 30 November 2013 - 11:49 PM

Sometimes God does not answer our prayers the way we want Him to.Sometimes He will say "yes".Sometimes he will say "no" and sometimes he will say "wait I have something better". We need to pray that Gods Will Be Done.Sometimes it takes a while for our prayers to be answered in God's timing.Sometimes we have to be patient. 


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#2144484 Is it a sin for women to preach?

Posted by Willa on 01 September 2014 - 04:04 PM

I really don't think a woman should be the main pastor and administrator. She may be the pastor over Christian early education and womans ministries. We need women pastors for counseling women in the scriptures. As pastors they have the added responsibility to not gossip but to be professionally confidential. (Even though everyone should not gossip) Older women should teach younger women to be effective wives and mothers, to honor their husbands. According to Prov. 31, we can also be good businesswomen and manage homes. But in church we are not to be in authority over men or to disrupt a service by chattering. We are allowed to speak when moved by the Holy Spirit to encourage the congregation in an orderly manner and under the authority of her husband.. That may be to share scripture, to sing a solo, share a testamony or to otherwise be a blessing. I don't see anything wrong with participating in Bible studies unless you dominate them. As for telling the world about Jesus, have you tried street ministry? We have teams that go to the parks during events and to the county fairs to share Jesus. They pass out tracts, try to engage people in conversation, and testafy as to what Jesus is doing in their lives , what He means to them and how He has changed them.

Occasionally God has called a woman when no man was available. Judith served as a judge in Israel. I knew a woman who served as an interim pastor after her husband died. She resigned when they found a man to fill the pulpit. But I don't think it should be the normal practice for women to be in authority over men. Churches that are dominated by women rarely have a lot of men in attendance. We have women who are administrative secretaries that virtually run the church, but they serve under the authority of the pastors. About 45% of the people in attendance at our church are men. Even the lady who was the church janitor could answer the phone and lead people to the Lord.

Lastly, you can always share Christ here. Only part of our forum is just for Christians. A large part is also for unbelievers. You are welcome to start conversations and share about Christ as long as you ask other people to weigh in their opinions.
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#2036832 How do you pray?

Posted by Omegaman on 01 December 2013 - 06:28 PM

I think also, that to pray in the name of Jesus, means to pray, confident in the authority He gave us. We still use this sort of language today: Stop, in the name of the law" means that one is being ordered to stop, because the law has authority.
Jesus has authority, and when we recognize that, use it, are obedient to it and seek Gods will, we are praying authoritatively, praying in the name of Jesus.
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#1933337 Please Read Before You Start A Thread

Posted by OneLight on 23 March 2013 - 11:21 AM

This forum is the Welcome Forum, designed for new members to say Hi and to introduce your self. It is not a place for a discussion on specific questions, suggestions or requests. If you are answering a post, just welcome the new member and wait to join the conversation they present when they post in the proper forums.

Lately, this forum has taken on the identity of the General Forum and this is not what the Welcome Forum is meant to be. After 5 posts, the new member can start a thread in the proper forum to discuss what is on their minds. Be respectful to the guidelines of each forum and enjoy your time with us!

God Bless.
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#1722746 OC - To the Believers - read often!

Posted by Botz on 21 September 2011 - 05:07 AM

1. In Outer Court, those who don't share our beliefs are welcome. This is a place where seekers and nonbelievers alike can ask us about our beliefs and engage in productive discussion regarding faith and other topics.

2. As Believers we should extend to them every courtesy, especially as there was a time when we too did not know the Saviour.

3. Sometimes the interaction can get a bit heated as each party seeks to present their view, this is inevitable if people are passionate about what they are discussing. We ask that seekers, nonbelievers, and members alike who post in Outer Court maintain civility and follow the 
Terms of Service and that posters maintain vigilance with regards to this, especially when in a more heated discussion.

4. This section of the Boards should be covered with prayer and grace, and this should be evident in the way we treat our guests and unbelieving friends.

5. The only Believers who should be here are those that are happy to engage those who don't share our faith. Please understand that it is possible to disagree with someone without resorting to personal attack. Also, brothers and sisters in Christ, please be cognizant of the fact that tough questions may be asked here and when this happens it's not necessarily an attack on our faith or on God. (I suggest you pray about this).

 

6.  We do ask that anyone who perceives a violation of the Terms of Service make use of the Report button on the bottom left side of each post. This will make it far less likely that threads end up locked or closed, as it allows us to handle situations before they spiral out of control. Most closures occur because of personal attacks (debating the person, not the subject). If you feel attacked please report it and refrain from responding in kind.

 

Galatians 5:22-26 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,  gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.  Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
 

If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another. 


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#2165889 Ferguson MI braces for Grand Jury decision

Posted by Logan on 14 November 2014 - 11:58 PM

Is calling people morons, idiots, and losers really the best way to help? Reckon that's what God calls them?
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#2158018 My adoption, how I see it

Posted by Fez on 17 October 2014 - 02:33 PM

This is an amazing post Logan. Save it! It will be something you preach to many one day.
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#2131696 Christian fired

Posted by the_patriot2014 on 27 July 2014 - 07:39 PM

not really shocking actually. evolutionists have been covering up and fabricating evidence since they got it in public schools, they want people to believe their theory-regardless of the fact its a lie-and dont want people thinking for themselves.


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#2127759 "Jesus today"

Posted by ncn on 16 July 2014 - 01:45 PM

These two verses have more so than in any other time in my life as now,  given me strength and reassurance. 

 

Deuteronomy 31:8 8 The Lord himself goes before you and will be with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged

 

Php 4:13  I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.


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#2164153 This Little Flock,,,,we welcome the newbies!!!So happy you

Posted by kwikphilly on 08 November 2014 - 06:05 PM

Blessings to All our Newcomers

     This Ministry is simply another Blessed place where Jesus little flock gathers,,,,,,,we are so happy that our Lord has lead you here to join the fold,the Body of Christ! Oh we do have a Welcome Forum but there we simply greet you as you briefly introduce yourselves,,,,,,,here is where we can fellowship,get to know each other,,,,,,,,I'm "Kwik",just a simple gal from Florida but lead here to share the love of Christ!Awww,it's not me so much but Jesus in me that loves you so much!!!!!

      So happy to see so many newcomers,seems like our Lord is just gathering His sheep,doesn't it,,,,,,,?So why do you think our Loving Father has brought you here?                With love in Christ,Kwik

 

 

Glory to God in the Highest!!!!!


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#2150497 Where is it in bible

Posted by Massorite on 19 September 2014 - 08:12 PM

I would not get all caught up in this blood moon stuff because there is no such a thing in the Word of God. At the coming of Jesus the sun will go dark and the moon will turn to the color of blood BUT ONLY ONCE. John Hagee has a lot of bills to pay every month and every year and he needs to keep folks buying his books, his messages, his tapes or CD's and to keep sending him the money God has given you to be a good steward of.

The whole blood moon thing is garbage and is not scripturally sound nor can it be scripturally sanctioned unless the Word of God is manipulated. If is not written in the Word of God, it is Not.


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#2150152 Definition of Faith

Posted by LuftWaffle on 19 September 2014 - 12:13 AM

Years ago someone posted this on a different site after someone demanded proof of God's existence. I liked it so much that I copied it so I could share it with others. - not only is there no proof, faith demands no proof. It is not science. Faith by nature and definition is destroyed by proof, for then it is something different: fact. So, in effect,you want a Christian to give you something he or she cannot if they are true to God or if they do, simply prove that they are not true to their God.-

 

Except that this is very wrong.

I'm assuming proof here refers to evidence. The notion that faith is destroyed by proof is a product of modern romanticism and anti-intellectualism in churches. Unfortunately many atheists also perpetuate this incorrect notion of faith.

Faith isn't something that exists in the absence of evidence and withers when exposed to it, but rather faith is an act of trust in what one has good evidence to believe is true.

 

Joh 20:31  But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Why would John take part in destroying "faith" by recording evidence that Christ was the Son of God? Why did Christ destroy "faith" by bodily rising from the dead and appearing to his disciples?

Ridiculous!

 

I'm sorry if I'm responding harshly, but this silly nonsense is precisely the reason why so many young people leave the church when church leaders, instead of giving answers for the hope that is in us, resort to anti-intellectualist "reasoning".

There is absolutely no scriptural reason to believe that "faith is destroyed by proof" and historically Christians have believed just the opposite.


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#2148579 Why do servants of the Lord create conflict with one another?

Posted by Macs Son on 13 September 2014 - 09:58 AM

No matter where you are, there are always conflicts between the three paths of God (Islam, Christianity, Judaism). Since the beginning of them all the populaces of each always created conflicts, ranging from bloody and merciless wars to political laws against each other. These pointless squabbles never seem to end, but why? Are we not all servants of the true Lord? Are we not servants to the One True God? We worship the only perfection we know yet we cannot stand side-by-side and get along? 
 
 
Thinking about this always causes me to get frustrated and confused. Muslims are no purer than a Christian. Jews are no purer than Muslims. Christians are no purer than Muslims. We are all born with sin, I understand that. Yet why do we accuse each other of being lesser and insignificant as if we have God's power? Luckily not everyone is like that and many get along just fine. But why do those who do not, do what they do? 


Hello Emine,
Pleased to meet you and welcome. You are correct in stating to us that all men sin and sin is the problem we all face whether we have a propensity towards religion or not. The Bible teaches that and the Quran does as well. A recognition of this problem is the first step towards truth but that is where the religions diverge. These are the 12 most popular religions in the world.

RELIGIONS IN THE WORLD

1.Christianity: 2.1 billion
2.Islam: 1.5 billion
3.Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
4.Hinduism: 900 million
5.Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
6.Buddhism: 376 million
7.primal-indigenous: 300 million
8.African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
9.Sikhism: 23 million
10.Juche: 19 million
11.Spiritism: 15 million
12.Judaism: 14 million

Only 1 out of 12 of these religions teach us that our sins and the curse of man's sin were uniquely atoned for by God's sacrificial love on the cross. We can weigh out many of the others for what truisms they might contain but remember half truths do not constitute "the Truth". Christianity teaches us that no man may come to the Father except through the sacrifice of Christ Jesus. It also teaches us that we cannot earn our salvation but that God's love and mercy in Christ alone can pay the weighty debt of our sins. It also teaches us that God did not leave us as orphans in this very wicked world but that if we recognize our own sins and turn to God He will supply His Holy Spirit that unites us to the love of God that we may truly befriend Him and "know" Him. We are told that not everyone who calls Him "Lord, Lord" are His but only those to whom His Spirit is given. Therefore we should not be deceived that many who claim to be Christian are not, which is why their is no Christ-like fruit in their lives.

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Matthew 7:22 “Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?
Luke 13:25-27 “When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.' But He will say, 'I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.'


So there will be many who believe they are Christian and have no part in the Lord's Body.
There are differentiators then to be in Christ
1. If we are carnally minded (i.e selfish, out for self gain) we are at enmity with God)


Romans 8:7-9 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.


So if we are driven by selfish carnality we are not partaking in the Spirit of God for God has shown us that He gives all in love for those who fall short of mark. We love Him because He first loved us. We are told also that no greater love does someone have than to lay down his life for his friends. It's not about us but about the love of God. The fruit is plainly seen then if we are walking with the Lord in Spirit and Truth.

Galatian 5:22-26 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Ephesian 5:9-11 (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth, finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

To be sure then there will be tares mixed in with the true body of believers who are producing the fruit of God in this world according to His goodness and grace. We are not ignorant of this fact for Jesus Himself told us:

Matthew 13:27-30 "So the servants of the owner came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?'
"He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, 'Do you want us then to go and gather them up?' But he said, 'No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 'Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn." ' "
Jesus further stated in Matthew 25
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”


So to be sure we know not all done in the Name of Christ is of Christ but it is also true that many are on mission with the Lord and the Work of the Spirit of God is manifest in the world carrying out the will of God, even in these fragile jars of clay so temporal and imperfect in this world.

That said I do not understand how some say Islam is a peaceful religion. Based on its history it appears to be a religion of conquest. Christendom during their first 500 years were persecuted by the Romans, overrun by the Huns, the Visigoths and other pagan tribes but still grew to include all of North Africa, the Middle East, Asia Minor, Eastern, Western and Northern Europe, penetrating as far East as India and Japan, when Islam was born via Mohammad. The following data supports many offensive conquests on nations and peoples minding their own business. Islam was not provoked in these wars but aggressively expanded itself by the sword.

timeline AD600 to AD 1100 said
610: Muhammad had a religious experience on Mount Hira that changed his life.
613: Persians capture Damascus and Antioch.
614: Persians sack Jerusalem. damaging the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in the process.
621: Abu Jahl became leader of a mounting opposition to Muslims in Mecca and organized a boycott of merchants in Mohammad's clan, the Hashim.
622: About 75 converts from Medina took the two Pledges of al-Aqaba, professing to Islam and to protect Muhammad from all danger.
624: Muhammad broke with his Jewish supporters because they refused to recognize him as a prophet and adopt Isalm. He chose now to emphasize the Arabness of the new religion and has his followers face Mecca when praying instead of Jerusalem. In the end, all the Jews were either banished or executed.
March 15,
624: At the Battle of Abdr, Muhammad and his followers defeated an army from Mecca. Muhammad's chief rival in Mecca, Abu Jahl, was executed.
627: Meccan leader Abu Sufyan (c. 567 - c. 655) laid siege to Muhammad's forces in Medina during the battle of the Trench. Even with 10,000 men he was unsuccessful for the 15 days he was there. Muhammad suspected the Banu Quraiza Jews of helping the Meccans and had all the men killed.
630: An army of 30,000 Muslims marched on Mecca which surrendered with little resistance. Muhammad took control of the city and made it the spiritual center of Islam.
633: Muslims conquer Syria and Iraq.
634: Victory against the Byzantines in Palestine (Ajnadayn).
634-644: Umar (c. 591-644) reigns as the second caliph. The Muslims subjugate Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Mesopotamia and Persia. Garrisons established in the conquered lands, and the Muslim rulers begin to take control of financial organisation.
635: Muslims begin the conquest of Persia and Syria.
635: Arab Muslims capture the city of Damascus from the Byzantines.
636 (?): The Arabs under Sa'd ibn Abi Waqqas defeat a Sasanian army in the battle of Qadisiyya (near Hira), gaining Iraq west of the Tigris. A second victory follows at Jalula, near Ctesiphon.
637: The Arabs occupy the Persian capital of Ctesiphon.
651, the entire Persian realm would come under the rule of Islam and continued its westward expansion.
637: Syria is conquered by Muslim forces.
637: Jerusalem falls to invading Muslim forces.
639-42: Conquest of Egypt (642 taking of Alexandria) by 'Amr ibn al-'As. Muslims capture the sea port of Caesarea in Palestine, marking end of the Byzantine presence in Syria.
641: Under the leadership of Abd-al-Rahman, Muslims conquer southern areas of Azerbaijan, Daghestan, Georgia, and Armenia.
641/2: Under the leadership of Amr ibn al-As, Muslims conquer the Byzantine city of Alexandria in Egypt. Amr forbids the looting of the city and proclaims freedom of worship for all. According to some accounts, he also has what was left of the Great Library burned the following year. Al-As creates the first Muslim city in Egypt, al-Fustat, and builds there the first mosque in Egypt.
652: Sicily is attacked by Muslims coming out of Tunisia (named Ifriqiya by the Muslims, a name later given to the entire continent of Africa).
653: Muawiya I leads a raid against Rhodes, taking the remaining pieces of the Colossus of Rhodes (one of the Seven Wonders of the ancient world) and shipping it back to Syria to be sold as scrap metal.
654: Muawiya I conquers Cyprus and stations a large garrison there. The island would remain in Muslim hands until 0966.
655: Battle of the Masts: In one of the few Muslim naval victories in the entire history of Islam, Muslim forces under the command of Uthman bin Affan defeat Byzantine forces under Emperor Constant II. The battle takes place off the coast of Lycia and is an important stage in the decline of Byzantine power.
662: Egypt fell to the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates until 868 A.D. A year prior, the Fertile Crescent and Persia yielded to the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates, whose rule lasted until 1258 and 820, respectively.
667: The Arabs occupy Chalcedon, threatening Constantinople. Sicily is attacked by Muslims sailing from Tunisia.
668: First Siege of Constantinople: This attack lasts off and on for seven years, with the Muslim forces generally spending the winters on the island of Cyzicus, a few miles south of Constantinople, and only sailing against the city during the spring and summer months.
669: The Muslim conquest reaches to Morocco in North Africa. 672: Muslims under Mauwiya I capture the island of Rhodes.
672: Beginning of the 'seven year' Arab siege of Constantinople.
674: Arab conquest reaches the Indus River.
677: Muslims send a large fleet against Constantinople in an effort to finally break the city, but they are defeated so badly through the Byzantine use of Greek Fire that they are forced to pay an indemnity to the Emperor.
698: Muslims capture Carthage in North Africa.
700: Muslims from Pamntelleria raid the island of Sicily.
711: With the further conquest of Egypt, Spain and North Africa, Islam included all of the Persian empire and most of the old Roman world under Islamic rule. Muslims began the conquest of Sindh in Afghanistan.
April 711: Tariq ibn Malik, a Berber officer, crosses the strait separating Africa and Europe with a group of Muslims and enters Spain
July 19, 711: Battle of Guadalete: Tariq ibn Ziyad kills King Rodrigo (or Roderic), Visigoth ruler of Spain, at the Guadalete River in the south of the Iberian peninsula. Tariq ibn Ziyad had landed at Gibraltar with 7,000 Muslims at the invitation of heirs of the late Visigoth King Witica (Witiza) who wanted to get rid of Rodrigo (this group includes Oppas, the bishop of Toledo and primate of all Spain, who happens to be the brother of the late king Witica). Ziyad, however, refuses to turn control of the region back over to the heirs of Witica. Almost the entire Iberian peninsula would come under Islamic control by 718.
712: Muslim governor of Northern Africa Musa ibn Nusayr follows Tariq ibn Ziyad with an army of 18,000 as reinforcements for the conquest of Andalusia. Musa's father had been a Catholic Yemenite studying to be a priest in Iraq when he was captured in Iraq by Khalid, the "Sword of Islam," and forced to choose between conversion or death. This invasion of Iraq had been one of the last military orders given by Muhammed before his death.
715: By this year just about all of Spain is in Muslim hands. The Muslim conquest of Spain only took around three years but the Christian reconquest would require around 460 years (it might have gone faster had the various Christian kingdoms not been at each other' throats much of the time). Musa's son, Abd el-Aziz, is left in charge and makes his capital the city of Seville, where he married Egilona, widow of king Rodrigo. Caliph Suleiman, a paranoid ruler, would have el-Aziz assassinated and sends Musa into exile in his native Yemen village to live out his days as a beggar.
716: Lisbon is captured by Muslims.
717: Cordova (Qurtuba) becomes the capital of Muslim holdings in Andalusia (Spain).
717: Second Siege of Constantinople: Taking advantage of the civil unrest in the Byzantine Empire, Caliph Sulieman sends 120,000 Muslims under the command of his brother, Moslemah, to launch the second siege of Constantinople.
719: Muslims attack Septimania in southern France (so named because it was the base of operations for Rome's Seventh Legion) and become established in the region known as Languedoc, made famous several hundred years later as the center of the Cathar heresy.
721: A Muslim army under the command of Al-Semah and that had crossed the Pyrenees is defeated by the Franks near Toulouse. Al-Semah is killed and his remaining forces, which had previously conquered Narbonne, are forced back across the Pyrenees into Spain.
722: Battle of Covadonga: Pelayo, (690-737) Visigoth noble who had been elected the first King of Asturias (718-0737), defeats a Muslim army at Alcama near Covadonga. This is generally regarded as the first real Christian victory over the Muslims in the Reconquista.
724: Under the command of Ambissa, Emir of Andalusia, Muslim forces raid southern France and capture the cities of Carcassone and Nimes. 725: Muslim forces occupied Nimes, France.
730: Muslim forces occupy the French cities of Narbonne and Avignon.
732: Battle of Tours: With perhaps 1,500 soldiers, Charles Martel halts a Muslim force of around 40,000 to 60,000 cavalry under Abd el-Rahman Al Ghafiqi from moving farther into Europe.
735: Muslim invaders capture the city of Arles.
737: Charles Martel sends his brother, Childebrand, to lay siege to Avignon and drive out the Muslim occupiers. Childebrand is successful and, according to records, has all the Muslims in the city killed.
739: Already having retaken Narbonne, Beziers, Montpellier, and Nimes during the previous couple of years, Childebrand captures Marseille, one of the largest French cities still in Muslim hands.
759: Arabs lose the city of Narbonne, France, their furthest and last conquest into Frankish territory. In capturing this city Pippin III (Pippin the Short) ends the Muslim incursions in France.
785: The Great Mosque in Cordoba, in Muslim controlled Spain, was built.
792: Hisham I, emir of Cordova, calls for a Jihad against the infidels in Andalusia and France.
813: Muslims attack the Civi Vecchia near Rome.
827: Sicily is invaded by Muslims who, this time, are looking to take control of the island rather than simply taking away booty.
831: Muslim invaders capture the Sicilian city of Palermo and make it their capital.
838: Muslim raiders sack Marseille.
841: Muslim forces capture Bari, principle Byzantine base in southeastern Italy.
846: Muslim raiders sail a fleet of ships from Africa up the Tiber river and attack outlying areas around Ostia and Rome.
849: Battle of Ostia: Aghlabid monarch Muhammad sends a fleet of ships from Sardinia to attack Rome. As the fleet prepares to land troops, the combination of a large storm and an alliance of Christian forces were able to destroy the Muslims ships.
851: Abd al-Rahman II has eleven young Christians executed in the city of Cordova after they deliberately seek out martyrdom by insulting the Prophet Muhammed.
858: Muslim raiders attack Constantinople.
859: Muslim invaders capture the Sicilian city of Castrogiovanni (Enna), slaughtering several thousand inhabitants.
869: Arabs capture the island of Malta.
870: After a month-long siege, the Sicilian city of Syracuse is captured by Muslim invaders.
876: Muslims pillage Campagna in Italy.
880: Under Emperor Basil, the Byzantines recapture lands occupied by Arabs in Italy.
884: Muslims invading Italy burn the monastery of Monte Cassino to the ground.
902: The Muslim conquest of Sicily is completed when the last Christian stronghold, the city of Taorminia, is captured. Muslim rule of Sicily would last for 264 years.
911: Muslims control all the passes in the Alps between France and Italy, cutting off passage between the two countries.
916: A combined force of Greek and German emperors and Italian city-states defeat Muslim invaders at Garigliano, putting Muslim raids in Italy to an end.
920: Muslim forces cross the Pyrenees, enter Gascony, and reach as far as the gates of Toulouse.
939: Madrid is recaptured from Muslim forces.
961: Death of Abd al-Rahman III, generally regarded as the greatest of the Umayyad caliphs in Andalusia. Under his rule, Cordova became one of the most powerful centers of Islamic learning and power. He is succeeded by Abdallah, a caliph who would kill many of his rivals (even family members) and has captured Christians decapitated if they refuse to convert to Islam.
961: Under the command of general Nicephorus Phokas, the Byzantines recapture Crete from Muslim rebels who had earlier fled Cordova.
965: Byzantine Emperor Nicephorus Phokas reconquers Cyprus from the Muslims.
965: Grenoble is recaptured from the Muslims.
969: Byzantine Emperor Nicephorus II Phocas reconquers Antioch (modern Antakya, capital of the province Hatay) from the Arabs.
972: The Muslims in the Sisteron district of France surrender to Christian forces and their leader asks to be baptized.
981: Ramiro III, king of Leon, is defeated by Al-Mansur Ibn Abi Aamir (Almanzor) at Rueda and is forced to begin paying tribute to the Caliph of Cordova.
985: Al-Mansur Ibn Abi Aamir sacks Barcelona
994: The monastery of Monte Cassino is destroyed a second time by Arabs.
997: Under the leadership of Almanzor, Muslim forces march out of the city of Cordova and head north to capture Christian lands.
Muslim forces under Almanzor arrive at the city of Compostela. The city had been evacuated and Almanzor burns it to the ground.
1004: Arab raiders sack the Italian city of Pisa.
1009: Caliph Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah, founder of the Druze sect and sixth Fatimid Caliph in Egypt, orders the Holy Sepulcher and all Christian buildings in Jerusalem be destroyed.
1012: Berber forces capture Cordova and order that half the population be executed.
1013: Jews are expelled from the Umayyad Caliphate of Cordova, then ruled by Sulaimann.
1015: Arab Muslim forces conquer Sardinia.
1021: Caliph al-Hakim proclaimed himself to be divine and founded the Druze sect.
1023: Muslims expel the Berber rulers from Cordova and install Abd er-Rahman V as caliph.
1031: The Moorish Caliphate of Córdoba falls.
1050: Byzantine emperor Constantine IX Monomachos restores the complex of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem.
1055: Seljuk Turks capture Baghdad.
1064-1091: The Normans recapture Sicily from the Muslims.
1064: The Seljuk Turks conquer Christian Armenia.
1070: Seljuk Turks capture Jerusalem from the Fatimids. Seljuk rule is not quite as tolerant as that of the Fatimids and Christian pilgrims begin returning to Europe with tales of persecution and oppression.
1071-1085: Seljuk Turks conquer most of Syria and Palestine.
August 19, 1071: Battle of Manzikert: Alp Arslan leads an army of Seljuk Turks against the Byzantine Empire near Lake Van. Numbering perhaps as many as 100,000 men, the Turks take the fortresses of Akhlat and Manzikert before Byzantine Emperor Romanus IV Diogenes can respond.
1073: Seljuk Turks conquer Ankara.
1078: Seljuk Turks capture Nicaea. It would change hands three more times, finally coming under control of the Turks again in 1086.
1080: An Armenian state is founded in Cilicia, a district on the southeastern coast of Asia Minor (Turkey), north of Cyprus, by refugees feeling the Seljuk invasion of their Armenian homeland. A Christian kingdom located in the midst of hostile Muslim states and lacking good relations with the Byzantine Empire, "Armenia Minor" would provide important assistance to Crusaders from Europe.
1084: Seljuk Turks conquer Antioch, a strategically important city.
1086: Battle of Zallaca (Sagrajas): Spanish forces under Alfonso VI of Castile are defeated by the Moors and their allies
1088: Patzinak Turks begin forming settlements between the Danube and the Balkans.
1089: Byzantine forces conquer the island of Crete.
1095: Pope Urban II opens the Council of Clermont where ambassadors from the Byzantine emperor Alexius I Comnenus, asking help against the Muslims
1096-99 FIRST CRUSADE


So I've never been able to understand how Islam came to be known as a religion of peace?

In Christ, Pat

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#2123164 i am about to turn my back on christians

Posted by Hippie333 on 02 July 2014 - 06:07 PM

i am sure not all christians are like this but i am about done and not sure why i am even writing this. why are christians so hateful. why do they put everyone in their little box and if you dont fit you are just the out cast. why would anyone want to follow god when these so called christians are showing such hatred, i dont want to be a part of hate, i got bashed today because i am on birth control so now i am murder among the christian community on not to mention the fact i am a prostitute because i lived with my husband 5 years before we where married. i dont want my girls to turn into the hateful thing that christians think is ok. i am sorry for the rant, yall can delete it if you want its probably in appropriate to write here.. sorry have a good day 

Shalom Amanda,

 There is so much here to address I don't know where to start....so, I reckon I will start with grouping Christians in with people that claim to be Christians.....something the Bible tells us is

Mat 7:15  Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16  You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?
Mat 7:17  Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruits, nor can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

 

Let's take a look - beware of false prophets ( people claiming to know, have the only , absolute) word of God , but then do things and act the opposite of Christ. That being said, we are all far from perfect and will have our own personal problems in how we talk to others. However, when what people say does not stand within scripture and it's context - they are falsely teaching.

 

We are told to season what we say:

Col 4:6  Let your speech be always with grace, having been seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.

 

Eph 4:29  Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.
Eph 4:30  And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31  Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.
Eph 4:32  Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

 

Speak with kindness, grace and love....that it may give grace to those we speak to. Forgiving as Christ forgave us.

 

I know for a fact that not all Christians are as said in your post, I know some that are exactly what you said in your post. Christ died so that we all may be forgiven of our sins......that's our past - wiped clean - clean slate - washed away. It should not matter if you were an actual prostitute for 30 yrs before accepting Christ and being forgiven. ALL have SINNED and fallen short the glory of God:

 

Rom 3:23  for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24  being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus;

 

I don't know these people that have accused you, and spoken so poorly as to hurt you. What I do know is - seek fellowship with Christians that speak the truth....but speak it with love. Truth without Love = brutality.  I can only urge you to seek Christ and come to know him more and more through prayer and God's Word. Seek fellowship among honest, loving Christians....because Amanda we ( Christians ) are out here seeking that kind of fellowship with others....please don't let the actions of others change the truth and love of God's Word and what Christ did for us into something that it's not.

 

God Bless,

 Hip
 

 


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#2022236 Questions about Acts 3?

Posted by Fez on 31 October 2013 - 05:25 AM

Deep breath everybody ......and wait for Jesus.

 

Everything will work out, I promise.

 

The bible tells us it will.....


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#1887795 A word from this Ministry - Please Read

Posted by OneLight on 21 November 2012 - 01:24 PM

What is going on lately? Why is there so much discord/division? Why are there so many personal attacks, insults and downright disrespect toward each other?


I have been asking these questions to myself as I read the reports and check threads of interest. I wanted to blame it on the intensity of the election, but the election has passed and this still continues. I have only my imagination to measure how the results have affected people’s lives.


I do know one thing. God is preparing this world for the return of His Son. When I look to Scripture for a description of how the world will be, it is much uglier than what I see today. Yet what I do see is an escalation to what He tells us will happen. I am concerned that if we, because of just one election, become so quick to judge and cause pain, what will we be like when it continues to get worst? I have to shake my head due to the images this question brings to me. I do not like what my imagination shows.


We are His children, whether or not we agree with who should run the country, what we should pay for taxes, who does what to themselves, and how disturbing the future looks as we remember our past. We are not these things, though they have an effect on us if we allow it. We need to continue to seek God and follow His directions. We need to keep our focus on Him and what He has called us to do.


So, how does all this relate to my questions? I am convinced that we in ministry cannot continue to allow things to get too far down the wrong road before we step in. At one time, members used to work things out after a few posts, but that is not what I have been seeing in the past months. So, I ask everyone to do the following:
  • If you know you are butting heads with another member, be the first to offer an olive branch and be the peacemaker.
  • If you notice that you are getting heated by another’s response, walk away from the thread until you know you have His peace back in your life over the issue.
  • If you feel strongly about an issue between you and another member, offer to debate it in the Soap Box forum so the two of you can focus on each other’s response and not all the other posts of those who want to be involved.
  • Check your attitudes as you post, ensuring that what you are posting is exactly what you want to post.
  • Watch your words. Using passive aggressive statements are just as cutting and demeaning as an outright insult.
  • Ensure that you are discussing the issue, not the person.
  • If you have a personal statement to another member, take it private and remain respectful.
  • Take the time to ensure that what you think someone is saying is what they are saying, not reading into another’s post.
  • Ask questions for clarification when a statement is unclear instead of assuming you know what someone is saying is advisable.
  • Back up your words with supporting Scripture. If you don’t, one could easily see a post as “cause I said so”, which goes absolutely nowhere.
  • If you witness a wayward post or thread, please report it. We cannot be everywhere at once and there are far too many threads to read through to catch everything. I would rather have to filter through many reports then to have anyone think we are playing favorites by allowing a member to blast another member, or that a topic is allowed when it should not be.
  • Always seek the guidance from the Holy Spirit as to how to reply to a post.
  • Last, but far from the least, post as if you are posting to Jesus, because He is with you and everyone else.

We are trying our best to turn Worthy into a place where heavy discussions and debates are without any insults and attacks. If you are not already familiar with our Terms of Service or Statement of Faith, please do familiarize yourself with them both.


By taking time to become aware of what you are posting is a start. We will not accomplish this overnight, but by taking one-step at a time, we will all feel safer about who we are and what we believe. I know that when I have a wall up, which is the result of negative posting, I am not going to accept any correction I may need that is brought to me through the one who is insulting me while offering me truth.


The other side of the coin is that if we find people continuing to attack and insult, we will be restricting them from posting for a few days so they can consider their actions. In the past, all we had was Mod Review or a ban. By placing someone on MR, we had to spend a lot of time reading continued insults and attacks, sometimes at us for taking action. This has taken too much time from the forums, so we are trying to step back from this and allow people time to think things over. I have personally had to take a few days off from the site and seek the Lord for a refreshing on the Fruit of the Spirit in my life and to ensure that the words I use come from Him and not my flesh. I suggest others consider doing the same before things come to a point where we have to move you in that direction.


I encourage all of use to learn to step back from our posts before we hit the “Post” button and read what we are about to submit as if we are reading it for the first time with no preconceived idea of what was written. This will help to ensure that what we are about to submit is what we really what to say. Nobody can read anyone’s mind, so clarity of thought is essential for correct understanding.


Here are a few closing verses to keep in mind when posting.


Colossians 4:5-6 (NKJV)


Walk in wisdom toward those who are outside, redeeming the time. Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.


John 13:34-35 (NKJV)


A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.


Galatians 5:16-26 (NKJV)

Walking in the Spirit


I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.




Ephesians 6:10-20

The Whole Armor of God


Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints— and for me, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
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#1741528 Like to debate?

Posted by JohnArizona on 17 November 2011 - 03:15 PM

Here is some helpful guidelines for keeping a discussion civil and Godly.

Debate Advice and Suggestions

Advice on Debating with Others




1. Avoid the use of Never.
2. Avoid the use of Always.
3. Refrain from saying you are wrong.
4. You can say your idea is mistaken.
5. Don't disagree with obvious truths.
6. Attack the idea not the person.
7. Use many rather than most.
8. Avoid exaggeration.
9. Use some rather than many.
10. The use of often allows for exceptions.
11. The use of generally allows for exceptions.
12. Quote sources and numbers.
13. If it is just an opinion, admit it.
14. Do not present opinion as facts.
15. Smile when disagreeing.
16. Stress the positive.
17. You do not need to win every battle to win the war.
18. Concede minor or trivial points.
19. Avoid bickering, quarreling, and wrangling.
20. Watch your tone of voice.
21. Don't win a debate and lose a friend.
22. Keep your perspective - You're just debating.

You need to be very polite when disagreeing with someone, even someone you know quite well.
With someone you know very well, you can disagree more directly.

http://www.paulnoll....ate-advice.html
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