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post Oct 24 2009, 06:31 PM
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Whose to say your god isn't another one of man's inventions? Look at all the gods the Greeks had. Now, its hard to find people who still believe in all these gods. All atheists have done is go one god further. From Zeus to the Judeo-Christian god to Allah, etc they're all the same. Not in their personalities of course, but in their probability of being real.

Because the God of the Bible is so offensive to mankind, human nature itself would have precluded inventing such a God. It is important to note that the Greeks and other pagan pantheistic societies, patterned their gods to reflect human foibles and shortcomings. They created gods they could control and manipulate for their own purposes.

Whereas, the God of the Bible is presented as a God of absolute sovereignty over human affairs and who is sinless, flawless, and holy in an absolute way. While other cultures created their gods with relative moral attributes, the God of the Bible proclaims absolute truth and claims to be the source of that absolute truth.


So does Allah of the Qu'ran. Isn't it suspicious when a god claims to be the absolute truth and has a nice little place for all those people who don't follow him? That sounds like a tyrannt and tyrannts can also be manipulated. Especially when it serves the purpose of those with power. Not to mention that the god of the Bible is a jealous god (what a petty human emotion to concern himself with) and is destructive and cruel.

Human nature likes inventing things to serve their own purpose. Its too hard to get people to listen to you when all you have is your own power. Why wouldn't you create a jealous, offensive tyrannt of a god that has a place like hell for sinners and then write a book about his teachings so that you could scare people into following these "rules" (that are actually man-made)? A nice, loving god wouldn't scare people enough. They needed a bully.
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post Oct 24 2009, 06:37 PM
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Ah, here we go with a loose definition of 'fact' again.
It's not a fact as far as I'm concerned.
I am not talking about "fact." I am talking about truth.

You've forgotten what you wrote (just look back and check). You said :
"The fact is, evolution is really just another modern form of idolatry."
That is not a fact. And it is not the truth.
You can say that it is, but you're wrong, and lots of Christians on this board can tell you so.
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post Oct 24 2009, 06:39 PM
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So does Allah of the Qu'ran.
No, not really. Allah is just a hold over from ancient paganism. Prior to Islam, allah was a god of war.


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Isn't it suspicious when a god claims to be the absolute truth and has a nice little place for all those people who don't follow him?
Not at all. Absolute truth is the only kind of truth there is.

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That sounds like a tyrannt and tyrannts can also be manipulated.
No, because if He were a tyrant, you would not be given the choice to reject Him. As it stands, God gives you the freedom to live as you please to malign Him, insult Him, mock Him till your heart's content.

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Especially when it serves the purpose of those with power. Not to mention that the god of the Bible is a jealous god (what a petty human emotion to concern himself with) and is destructive and cruel.
The jealousy is mentioned is not a human trait. Human "jealousy" is based on envy. God is not envious of anyone.
When it says God is jealous it simply refers to the similar way a spouse expects faithfulness from their husband or wife.


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Human nature likes inventing things to serve their own purpose.
Which precludes human nauture inventing a God who is sovereign over all things and operates from an absolute system of holilness.

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Its too hard to get people to listen to you when all you have is your own power. Why wouldn't you create a jealous, offensive tyrannt of a god that has a place like hell for sinners and then write a book about his teachings so that you could scare people into following these "rules" (that are actually man-made)? A nice, loving god wouldn't scare people enough. They needed a bully.
The reason you are wrong is because is that such would have been the case with ALL gods if such agendas could be accomplished by inventing a god.

You honestly don't know what you are talking about. The fact is that God is so offensive to human nature, that man would never have even dreamed of creating such a god. It flies in the face of historical mythology as well.
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post Oct 24 2009, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE (ConScience @ Oct 24 2009, 06:37 PM) *
QUOTE (shiloh357 @ Oct 24 2009, 05:39 PM) *
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Ah, here we go with a loose definition of 'fact' again.
It's not a fact as far as I'm concerned.
I am not talking about "fact." I am talking about truth.

You've forgotten what you wrote (just look back and check). You said :
"The fact is, evolution is really just another modern form of idolatry."
That is not a fact. And it is not the truth.
You can say that it is, but you're wrong, and lots of Christians on this board can tell you so.

Well it is fact and truth. I don't base truth off of what others who think they are Christians say. The Bible is the source of all truth and truth is absolute.
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post Oct 24 2009, 06:43 PM
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You honestly don't know what you are talking about. The fact is that God is so offensive to human nature, that man would never have even dreamed of creating such a god. It flies in the face of historical mythology as well


I don't get taken in by kids' stories. Man would do anything for power. Anything. Including creating a god (and a prophet) that sends people to hell if they reject him. Tyrannts kill those that reject them. God sends them to hell. For eternity. I'd say god is worse. Man uses a god to gain and hold power. It doesn't matter how offensive he is, only that he serves the purpose that he was invented to do.

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post Oct 24 2009, 06:48 PM
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No, the Bible affirms that there is only one true God. The other "gods" are men's inventions.

We agree! Those gods were human creations! You believe that about Allah, too, right? And Thor? Well, I just go one god further.

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I am not calling scientists idolators, nor did I refer to science as a god. My remarks were limited only to evolution. Evolution is not the end all, be all, of science. Being opposed to evolution is not a rejection of science en toto.

Again, you have forgotten what you wrote:
"The fact is, evolution is really just another modern form of idolatry."
Wrong (unless you are going to call Christians who believe in evolution- including ones on this board - 'idolators).

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No, you can be a "religionist" and be an evolutionist. True followers of Christ reject evolution.

Again, you are calling several of your fellow board members 'religionists! Not nice.

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I am saying that the are living in delusion that is stems in part from a very inadequate understanding and foundation in proper biblical theology. I will not leave it alone.

You're saying that they are delusional. That doesn't sound very nice, to me.
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post Oct 24 2009, 06:51 PM
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Ah, here we go with a loose definition of 'fact' again.
It's not a fact as far as I'm concerned.
I am not talking about "fact." I am talking about truth.

You've forgotten what you wrote (just look back and check). You said :
"The fact is, evolution is really just another modern form of idolatry."
That is not a fact. And it is not the truth.
You can say that it is, but you're wrong, and lots of Christians on this board can tell you so.

Well it is fact and truth. I don't base truth off of what others who think they are Christians say. The Bible is the source of all truth and truth is absolute.

Great, and I respect that.
Just show me where it says that evolutionists are idolators and that people who believe in god and evolution are religionists, and I'll drop the subject.
I'm confident that I've read the bible cover to cover more times than you have. And I'm confident that these words (religionist and evolution) were not conceived of until about 2 millennia after the last book was written!
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post Oct 24 2009, 06:59 PM
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There are several offensive posts in this thread. Enough people.


for cryin out loud. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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