[-RadicalMan-]

Good evening! As we begin there are some basic things that need to be established.

1. As this is a study it would be appreciated if the hello’s and goodby’s etc are avoided. It is a distraction and if you must go simply go.

2. Please write down questions as we go and after the study we can go further with questions.

3. Please avoid sending us down rabbit trails on unrelated subjects.

Let’s go to the Lord in prayer:

Father, We come to you recognizing who we are, sinners in need of Your grace. Thank you for Jesus and the salvation we enjoy through Him. Tonight as we delve into Your word let the Holy Spirit be present and teach us. Show us more of You and Your Love. We ask this in Jesus name, Amen.

As we begin, we need to look at one aspect that we have referenced but never gone into any depth on. First of all I want to establish there are no codes in the Bible. The Bible is a clear cut combination of 66 books complied by authors inspired by the Holy Spirit to reveal God’s love and plan for life for each of us.


Having established that let’s look at some recurrent themes with specific numbers.

“1 THE NUMBER OF UNITY. Father. Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. Ephesians 4:5 "one Lord, one faith, one baptism."

2 THE NUMBER OF DIVISION. The Son who has two natures: human and divine. There are 2 Testaments: the Old and New. Man is Male and Female. Rom. 9 speaks of two vessels: one for honorable use and the other for dishonorable use. Two types of people: Sheep and Goats. There are two ages, this age and the age to come: Matt. 12:32; 13:39,40,49; Mark 10:30.

3 THE NUMBER OF DIVINE PERFECTION. The Trinity consists of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. There are three qualities of the universe: Time, Space, and Matter. To exist (except for God), all three are required. Each quality consists of three elements. Therefore, we live in a trinity of trinities.

- The three qualities of universe are each three: Time is one yet three Space is one yet three Matter is one yet three
Time: Past Present Future
Space: Height Width Depth
Matter: Solid Liquid Gas

We live in a Trinity of Trinities: Romans 1:20 says, "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made..."

- If you are a trichotomist then man is made of three parts:
Body Soul Spirit
- Human abilities are three
Thought Word Deed

- The divine attributes are three fold:
God is:
Omniscient Love Holy
Omnipresent Light Righteous
Omnipotent Spirit Just

- Three bear witness (1 John 5:8):
Spirit Water Blood

- Christ is Three Shepherds
The Good Shepherd (John 10:14-15) - speaking of His death
The Great Shepherd (Heb. 13:20) - speaking of His resurrection
The Chief Shepherd (1 Pet. 5:4) - speaking of His glory

- The Three appearances of Christ:
Past: Has appeared (Heb. 9:26) to put away sin
Present: Is appearing (Heb. 9:24) in the
presence of God
Future: Will appear (Heb. 9:28) to those who await Him

- The Father spoke from Heaven three times:
Matt. 3:17, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
Matt. 17:5, "This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him.
John 12:28, "I have both glorified it [the Father's name], and will glorify it again."

- Both the Tabernacle and the Temple consisted of three parts:
The Court The Holy place The Sanctuary

Regarding the Tabernacle:
The Holy of Holies was a cube (10 cubits x 10 cubits x 10 cubits)
Regarding the Temple:
The Holy of Holies was a cube (20 cubits x 20 cubits x 20 cubits)

4 THE NUMBER OF CREATION - North, South, East, West; 4 Seasons. The 4th commandment is the first that refers to the earth. The 4th clause of the Lord's Prayer is the first that mentions the earth. The materials of the tabernacle were four and so were the coverings and the ornamentations.

5 THE NUMBER OF GRACE. Redemption. Israel came out of Egypt 5 in rank (Ex 13:18). David picked up 5 smooth stone to fight Goliath (1 Sam. 17:40). The Holy Anointing Oil was pure and composed of 5 parts (Ex. 30:23-25).

6 THE NUMBER OF MAN: Man was created on the 6th day. Man labors 6 days only. The Serpent was created on the 6th day. The 6th commandment is "Thou shalt not murder." Six words are used for man: Adam, ish, Enosh, gehver, anthropos, anar. Also, 6 x 6 = 36. 36 + 35 + 34 + 33 + 32 . . . 5 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 666. 666 is the number of the antichrist. This means that the name of the antichrist in Greek adds up to 666. This is a mockery of the Trinity.

7 THE NUMBER OF SPIRITUAL PERFECTION. Seven days in a week. Seven colors in the spectrum. Seven of the 10 commandments begin with the word "not." There are 7 seals, 7 trumpets, 7 parables in Matthew, and 7 promises to the churches. There are 7 "eternals" in Hebrews which are: A priest for ever (1:6); Eternal salvation (1:9); Eternal judgment (6:2); eternal redemption (9:12); eternal spirit (9:14); eternal inheritance (9:15); and everlasting covenant (13:20).

Jesus said 7 things on the cross:
1) Luke 23:34 "Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots;
2) Luke 23:43 Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise";

3) Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" -- which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?";
4) John 19:26 "When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son";

5) John 19:28 "Later, knowing that all was now completed, and so that the Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, "I am thirsty."
6) John 19:30 "When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit";

7) Luke 23:46 "Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last."

"Hallelujah" occurs 28 times or 4 x 7. "Hosanna" occurs 7 times. "Milk" occurs 49 times or 7 x 7. "Abaddon" occurs 7 times. "After the order of Melchizedek" occurs 7 times.

8 THE NUMBER OF NEW BEGINNINGS. 8 people on Noah's Ark (2 Pet. 2:5); circumcision on 8th day (Gen. 17:12); God made 8 covenants with Abraham

9 THE NUMBER OF JUDGMENT. There are
9 greek words derived from the root word meaning judgment = dikay. The following words each occur 9 times in the Bible: abussos (bottomless pit); asebee (ungodly); aselgeia (lasciviousness); and astrapee (lightning).

The gifts of the spirit are 9 in number (1 Cor. 12:8-10): the word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, discerning of spirits, tongues, and interpretation of tongues.

10 THE NUMBER OF DIVINE PERFECTION. There are 10 commandments (Ex. 20); there were 10 plagues on Egypt (Ex. 9:14ff); 10 x 10 silver sockets formed the foundation of the Tabernacle (Ex 38:27);

There are 10 "I AM's spoken by Jesus in John:
1) I am the Bread of Life (6:35);
2) I am the Bread of Life which came down from heaven (6:41);
3) I am the Living Bread (6:51);
4) I am the Light of the world (8:12);
5) I am One that bears witness of Myself (8:18);

6) I am the Door of the sheep (10:7,9);
7) I am the Good Shepherd (10:14);
8) I am the Resurrection and the Life (14:6);
9) I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life (11:25);
10) I am the True Vine (15:1,5).

12 THE NUMBER OF GOVERNMENTAL PERFECTION. There were 12 tribes of Israel; 12 Apostles, 12 foundations in the heavenly Jerusalem; 12 gates; 12 pearls; 12 angels. The measurements of New Jerusalem are 12,000 furlongs or stadia, while the wall will be 144 (12 x 12) cubits (Rev. 21:16-17).

40 THE NUMBER OF PROBATION OR TRIAL. The number of days of rain in the flood. The Israelites wandered for 40 years (Deut. 8:2-5). Moses was on the mount for 40 days (Exodus 24:18); 40 days of Jonah and Nineveh (Jonah 3:4). Jesus was tempted for 40 days (Matt. 4:2).”
Biblical Numerology by Matthew Slick,
http://www.carm.org/...ons/numbers.htm

Although you may think this is a lengthy explanation it is important for us to understand in light of the passages we have dealt with and will continue to deal with. A.W. Bollinger has written a lengthy book about numbers in Scripture. Although not all of his conclusions are accurate if you are interested the entire book can be found online as well.

I decided also tonight to delve into the geneolgy section primarily to give you a 2 for 1. So lets look at the geneology briefly. Stick with me in that there are discoveries made here that will open some eyes.

All references unless otherwise noted are from http://www.e-sword.com



Here is the complete passage:
Gen 5:3 And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
Gen 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begot sons and daughters:

Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Gen 5:6 And Seth lived a hundred and five years, and begot Enos:

Gen 5:7 And Seth lived after he begot Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begot sons and daughters:
Gen 5:8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.

Gen 5:9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begot Cainan:
Gen 5:10 And Enos lived after he begot Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begot sons and daughters:

Gen 5:11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
Gen 5:12 And Cainan lived seventy years, and begot Mahalaleel:

Gen 5:13 And Cainan lived after he begot Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begot sons and daughters:
Gen 5:14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.

Gen 5:15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begot Jared:
Gen 5:16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begot Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begot sons and daughters:

Gen 5:17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
Gen 5:18 And Jared lived a hundred sixty and two years, and he begot Enoch:

Gen 5:19 And Jared lived after he begot Enoch eight hundred years, and begot sons and daughters:
Gen 5:20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.

Gen 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begot Methuselah:
Gen 5:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begot Methuselah three hundred years, and begot sons and daughters:

Gen 5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Gen 5:25 And Methuselah lived a hundred eighty and seven years, and begot Lamech:
Gen 5:26 And Methuselah lived after he begot Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begot sons and daughters:

Gen 5:27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
Gen 5:28 And Lamech lived a hundred eighty and two years, and begot a son:

Gen 5:29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.

Gen 5:30 And Lamech lived after he begot Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begot sons and daughters:
Gen 5:31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
Gen 5:32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

I really can hear the groaning please stay with me. The study tonight is among the most important we have done to this point. People react to Genealogy as if it were trivia, unimportant or irrelevant. By the end of tonights session, hopefully you will see that it is exciting, relevant and important.

How far we get in this process will depend on a number of things but lets begin with something that can put this in proper relation. Charts are hard with Java and this is the best I could do with the software. To understand the chart you need to understand the abbreviations.

ABS=Age at Birth of Son YAB=Year at Birth of son TTY=Total years living YOB=Year of Birth YOD=Year of Death

name ABS YAB TTY YOB YOD
ADAM 130 800 930 1 930
SETH 105 807 912 130 1042
ENOS 90 815 905 235 1140
CAINAN 70 840 910 325 1235
MAHALEEL65 830 895 395 1290
JARED 162 800 962 460 1422
ENOCH 65 300 365 622 987
METHUSELAH 187 782 969 687 1656
LAMECH 182 595 777 874 1651
NOAH 500 450 950 1056 2006

http://www.searchgod...e...1&chapter=4

Now for a more simplistic look:

OT GENERATIONS LISTED ADAM TO MOSES

The Generations before Moses
A. Adam
1. lived 930 years
2. died 216 yrs. before the birth of Noah

B. Seth = Adam’s 3rd son
1. lived 912 years
2. Seth knew Noah for 34 years before he died

C. Methuselah (4th great grandson of Seth)
1. lived 969 years
2. Methuselah knew Adam 243 years*
3. Methuselah knew Seth 355 years


D. Lemech (son of Methuselah)
1. lived 777 years (died before his father)
2. he is the father of Noah
3. died 5 years before the flood

E. Noah lived 950 years
1. Methuselah knew Noah 600 years and died the year of the flood
Talked with his father, Lemech 595 years

F. Shem son of Noah (father of all Semites)
1. lived 600 years
2. talked with Methuselah 98 years*
3. lived after the flood 502 years

G. Eber or Heber (great-grandson of Shem)
1. lived 464 years
2. knew both Noah and Shem

H. Terah (3 x great grandson of Eber)
1. lived 205 years
2. 130 yrs old when Abraham is born
3. talked with both Noah and Shem

I. Abraham (Abram son of Terah)
1. lived 175 years
2. Abraham knew Shem son of Noah 150 years
3. Noah died 2 yrs. before Abraham was born
4. Heber outlives Abraham by 4 years

J. Isaac (son of Abraham and Sarah)
1. lived 180 years
2. knew Shem (son of Noah) 50 years*

K. Jacob (called Israel and son of Isaac and father of the 12 tribes)
1. lived 147 years
2. knew Abraham 20 years

L. Levi (3rd oldest son of Israel – Jacob)
1. knew Isaac about 45 years*
2. knew Amram father of Moses who was his grandson*
3. great grandfather of Moses
4. Levi passed on the oral history to his grandson Amram*

M. Moses (son of Amram son of Kohath son of Levi)
1. Lived 120 years
2. brother of Aaron who knew their father approx. 65 years*
3. Moses receives the Oral Tradition from God and is commanded to write the
first 5 books of the Old Testament.


Copyright: Michal Hunt 1991
http://www.agapebibl...0Adam-Moses.htm

I do want to make a comment here. The above listed site is not a good site overall but this is where I found the chart that makes it more simple. Hopefully by the evening session I can find a site more to my liking.

Now to put this in a perspective that will help all of us see the significance of the names and the line to Noah I began looking for the pattern in which God allowed the choice of names. Recently, watchman did a study on the names and triggered my interest in the line and what it means to us.

Adam
The first name, Adam, comes from adomah, and means "man." As the first man, that seems straightforward enough.

Seth
Adam's son was named Seth, which means "appointed." When he was born Eve said, "For God hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew."

Enosh
Seth's son was called Enosh, which means "mortal," "frail," or "miserable." It is from the root anash: to be incurable; used of a wound, grief, woe, sickness, or wickedness. (It was in the days of Enosh that men began to defile the name of the Living God.)

Kenan
Enosh's son was named Kenan, from which can mean "sorrow," dirge," or "elegy." (The precise denotation is somewhat elusive; some study aids unfortunately presume an Aramaic root synonymous with "Cainan.") Balaam, looking down from the heights of Moab, employed a pun upon the name of the Kenites when he prophesied their destruction.

Mahalalel
Kenan's son was Mahalalel, from mahalal, which means "blessed" or "praise"; and El, the name for God. Thus, Mahalalel means "the Blessed God." Often Hebrew names included El, the name of God, as Dani-el, "God is my Judge," Nathani-el, "Gift of God," etc.

Jared
Mahalalel's son was named Jared, from the verb yaradh, meaning "shall come down."

Enoch
Jared's son was named Enoch, which means "teaching," or "commencement." He was the first of four generations of preachers. In fact, the earliest recorded prophecy was by Enoch, which amazingly enough deals with the Second Coming of Christ.

Methuselah
The Flood of Noah did not come as a surprise. It had been preached on for four generations. But something strange happened when Enoch was 65, from which time "he walked with God." Enoch was given a prophecy that as long as his son was alive, the judgment of the flood would be withheld; but as soon as he died, the flood would be sent forth.

Enoch named his son to reflect this prophecy. The name Methuselah comes from two roots: muth, a root that means "death" ; and from shalach, which means "to bring," or "to send forth." Thus, the name Methuselah signifies, "his death shall bring."

And, indeed, in the year that Methuselah died, the flood came. Methuselah was 187 when he had Lamech, and lived 782 years more. Lamech had Noah when he was 182.7 The Flood came in Noah's 600th year.8 187 + 182 + 600 = 969, Methuselah's age when he died.

It is interesting that Methuselah's life was, in effect, a symbol of God's mercy in forestalling the coming judgment of the flood. It is therefore fitting that his lifetime is the oldest in the Bible, symbolizing the extreme extensiveness of God's mercy.


Lamech
Methuselah's son was named Lamech, a root still evident today in our own English word, "lament" or "lamentation." Lamech suggests "despairing." (This name is also linked to the Lamech in Cain's line who inadvertently killed his son Tubal-Cain in a hunting incident.)

Noah
Lamech, of course, is the father of Noah, which is derived from nacham , "to bring relief" or "comfort," as Lamech himself explains.

The Composite List
Now let's put it all together:

Hebrew English
Adam Man
Seth Appointed
Enosh Mortal
Kenan Sorrow
Mahalalel The Blessed God
Jared Shall come down
Enoch Teaching
Methusela His death shall bring
Lamech The despairing
Noah Rest, or comfort

Editors note:
Does anyone see the significance of this last chart? It is right there!


Here is a summary of God's plan of redemption, hidden here within a genealogy in Genesis! You will never convince me that a group of Jewish rabbis deliberately "contrived" to hide the "Christian Gospel" right here in a genealogy within their venerated Torah!

Evidences of Design

The implications of this discovery are far more deeply significant than may be evident at first glance. It demonstrates that in the earliest chapters of the Book of Genesis, God had already laid out His plan of redemption for the predicament of mankind.

It is the beginning of a love story, ultimately written in blood on a wooden cross which was erected in Judea almost 2,000 years ago.
www.khouse.org/articles/2000/284/

At this point let me tell you how to become a Christian if you have not already made that commitment.

1. We are all Sinners
Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God



2. The punishment for our Sin is Death
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

3. CHRIST died to Save Sinners
Isaiah 53:5-6 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

4. CHRIST will save us IF we ask HIM
Romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:13 For whosever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

If you have not become a Christian, today is the day God has made for you to know Him. Please feel free to ask and one of us will be happy to share how you can also know and have a relationship with God.

That is it for the tonight. God Bless you and see you next week!

Floor is open for discussion.

[CSLewis]

I believe numerology of Genesis is evidence that an allegorical interpretation of the text has more merit than a literal reading.

[Muddycamo]

ok Rad man...

Lets start with sheep and goats? I understand that we are sheep and God is our shephard but where do goats come into play?

three bear witness;blood spirit water? can you elaborate a bit

"the holy of holies"? do not understand this term, i understand the significance of the diminsions

"After the order of Melchizedek? i do not understand this reference

8th day?! i'm completely lost here, God created 7 days in a week, how is there an 8th day?

hmm now that i think of it i need more explanation on all references to the number 8

What is the significance of bread? God feeds our soul(hunger)?

Do you know why there is a jump from 10 to 12 to 40? is there a significance in that? can 12 and 40 be tied back to other numbers?

I think that is it for now, the geneaology was a bit much for me to take in at this time, but I think I understood in the end.

Muddycamo

[CSLewis]

I have issue with nine being a number for judgement. Especially since most of the apocalyptic literature seems silent.
I also have issue with using numerology across the entire Bible such as words occur nine times, across different forms of literature-

[-RadicalMan-]

this is not intended as a see all understand all. This study was in response to a chatter request for stude y. You are more than welcome to join in the studies in chat. However lets not derail a younger brother or sister in the Lord.

[CSLewis]

Oh - my bad- however I will say that numerology is probably not a good discussion for beginning converts because it is highly controversial, and I am not trying to derail any young believers- I thought I could ask questions? Certainly the Essenes and Hellenistic Jews relied heavily on a less than literal approach to the Torah- it was Kabbalah that in particular employed the use of numerology in interpretation of the Torah, combining elements of the mystical and even pagan astrology into the readings of the Torah - so I think that numerology is definately a slippery slope because you can take it to the extreme and start counting words and searching for some hidden mystical number that is in everything. I believe that numerology is interesting and certainly employed by the authors of certain texts, especially the priestly accounts, it is easy to take it too far creating a Bible code if you will.

[-RadicalMan-]

"so I think that numerology is definately a slippery slope because you can take it to the extreme and start counting words and searching for some hidden mystical number that is in everything. I believe that numerology is interesting and certainly employed by the authors of certain texts, especially the priestly accounts, it is easy to take it too far creating a Bible code if you will. "

:blink: that is why i prefaced the entire thing with a disclaimer from Bible Codes. As you said we are trying to get interest in Bible Studies and since the question was brought up by a chatter figured it wouldn't hurt...managed to lead to a better topic and a witnessing effort.

[-RadicalMan-]

Muddy, i will pm you responses on the boards and we can continue there. May be tomorrow before i start.

[victory777]

thank you rad for putting study here ,iv only read a bit ,but will go in deph tomorrow xxx

[eric paul]

Interesting rad... :whistling: