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    • Result of divisions between Christians.
      By shiloh357 · Posted
      They clearly committed this sin and it prompted Jesus to say what He did.   To say otherwise is to commit intellectual suicide.   Every Bible scholar understands this to be a committal of that sin. Again, you don't know what you're talking about and are not intellectually or theologically equipped to understand the issue at hand.    
    • Result of divisions between Christians.
      By simplejeff · Posted
      Proverbs 30  5Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. 6Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.and so it is for  the heresy rcc and all that trust it. 
    • True Gospel opposed by world church. Truth wins.
      By thereselittleflower · Posted
      Quoting a source with no attributions or cites to back up anything they said does not make anything you say more credible then the absolute lies which many called you out on that filled your last thread which was deleted. Just more unsubstantiated anti-Catholic propaganda.      
    • Confused about prophecy
      By Esther4:14 · Posted
      I guess I would say there is nothing wrong with having these questions.  I have had questions about why there were so many opinions on prophecy many times throughout my life.  I have been a believer since I was 18, so I don't remember whether I had a whole lot of questions like this before as a nonbeliever either.  Most all my questions have been as a believer.  I guess the main thing that I have learned is that you can't go by what someone says.  You have to research for yourself.  I didn't become a Christian to be a member of a church and adopt their view on prophecy.  I became a believer to know the truth.  The verse that encourage my research throughout the years has been "but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen" (2 Peter 3:18).  I still remember the day I read that verse years ago.  It was like He was giving me permission to ask questions and make mistakes as I grew in my understanding.  My advice would be to try rereading the New Testament up through the book of Revelation and see what you can come up with. 
    • Result of divisions between Christians.
      By thereselittleflower · Posted
      Enoob, you have yet to produce anything that states everything taught by the Apostles was committed to writing and contained in scripture. There is nothing in those verses that state scripture alone is sufficient.    You are reading this into these verses.   It states Scripture COMPLETES, being added to everything else that is necessary for the man of God to be complete.   To take the words of Paul to Timothy here to mean that ONLY scripture is needed for the man of God to be complete would be no different than stating that  all one needs is a pair of pants to be completely dressed, and doesn't need to wear a shirt or shoes at all.   Just as one is not completely dressed by only wearing pants, so one is not completely equipped by only having scripture.      
    • True Gospel opposed by world church. Truth wins.
      By simplejeff · Posted
      True Gospel under attack all along through out history..... For example at  one of the oldest/ longest ago true churches with some information available about them:  "Were they so cruelly treated for wrong doing? An inquisitor himself said of them: "They are modest and well behaved, taking no pride in their dress, which is neat but not extravagant. Avoiding commerce, because of its inevitable lies and oaths and frauds, they live by working as artisans, with cobblers as their teachers. Content with bare necessities, they do not accumulate wealth. Chaste in their habits, temperate in eating and drinking, they keep away from taverns, dances and other vanities. They refrain from anger and are always active. They can be recognized by their modesty and precision of speech." On the other side of the coin, one man suspected of Waldensian error proved at his trial that he was not and could not be a Waldensian, but had to be a good Catholic, because he lied, swore and drank." Persecution Such teachings as these attracted immense throngs to the Waldensians and the movement spread rapidly into France, Italy, Switzerland and even parts of Eastern Europe. It was exactly because of the threat to Romish power and the popularity of the movement that the fury of Rome was brought down upon the Waldensians. The full force of that cruel, unjust, and frightening institution for the suppression of heresy, the Inquisition, was brought to bear against them. The stories of suffering and torture which these folk endured make one weep even today. Their fathers and mothers were torn apart on the rack and burned at the stake. Their children were burned with irons to force them to report evil deeds of their parents. A whole cave of men, women and children, who had fled to the mountains to escape, was suffocated by a huge fire built at its entrance and smoke being forced into the cave. As the poem at the beginning of this article points out, mothers and their infants clutched in their arms were hurled over the sides of cliffs. Under the pressures of persecution, they fled into the Alpine valleys and high plateaus of Switzerland, and there they survived."   the beginnings: "Troubled by his wealth, the fact that it had been increased through usury, and the obvious worldliness of his life, Peter asked his priest concerning the best way to God. He was told, as was common in those days, that the way to God was to sell all that he had, give to the poor, and follow Christ. Peter did not hesitate to follow what to him was a clear command of his Lord. Because he was married, he provided sufficient money for his wife; he placed his daughters in a convent to be cared for there; he paid back all those from whom he had taken usury; and he gave everything else he owned to the poor. Peter Waldo gathered about him a small group of men who began to translate the Scriptures into the vernacular and began to assume the responsibilities of preaching. They were known by different names: The Brethren in Christ; The Poor in Christ; The Poor in Spirit; but finally became known by the name of their founder, Peter Waldo. They lived lives of total poverty and dedication to God. Teachings In 1179, Peter Waldo asked his archbishop for permission to be recognized as a separate and approved movement and asked for permission to be organized as a preaching fraternity. The request was passed on to the pope, Alexander III, who refused the request. The group appealed to the Third Lateran Council in 1179, but this Council also refused their request. Convinced that they were only doing that which was Biblical, they continued to preach anyway, and thus incurred the wrath of the church which excommunicated them at the Council of Verona in 1184. What is particularly interesting about the Waldensians is their views. I doubt whether any group of people in all Europe, prior to the Reformation, understood the truths of Scripture so clearly as these poor people. Philip Schaff even calls them, "the strictly biblical sect of the Middle Ages." It is almost impossible to imagine how these simple folk could have come to such excellent knowledge of the truth in the times in which they lived. They were the lowly, the uneducated; they were despised and persecuted; they had been brought up in the chains of Roman Catholic heresy; and yet they were so clear on such important points. So much were they forerunners of the Reformation that when the Calvin Reformation dawned, most of them were quick to join it; it was as if the Calvin Reformation was exactly what they had been waiting for all these centuries. Only the fact that God preserves His church can adequately explain their existence."   Waldensians - Protestant Reformed Churches in America www.prca.org/books/portraits/walden.htm‎ Chapter 19. The Waldensians. Introduction. ....
    • Is it just me...
      By other one · Posted
      Oh, I like that noob......       I'm still last though.
    • houston woman tweets that deputy deserved to be executed
      By other one · Posted
      God help this country when "We the People" get fed up with all this.
    • Result of divisions between Christians.
      By thereselittleflower · Posted
        Shiloh, using personal attacks to argue your position is a fallacy precisely because it doesn't do anything to prove what you say is right and it does nothing to prove what those who disagree with you say is wrong.   I have read this passage most carefully. Jesus did not state they committed this sin. Jesus does not accuse them of this sin. He teaches them about the error of their claim.   He speaks directly to the ones who claimed he was casting out demons by the power of the devil - notice that he calls the scribes who said this to him to teach them: Mar 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.Mar 3:23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?   Mar 3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.Mar 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.Mar 3:26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.Mar 3:27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.Jesus then warns them against committing the unpardonable sin. Mar 3:28 ¶ Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:The precipitating action for this warning is tied to this sin, for one who engages in this practice of claiming something is of the devil when it is really of the Holy Spirit sets themselves upon the path leading to this sin. The more they do so, the further along the path they travel.   At any time they can get off this path.  But once they reach its end, if they cross over that line, there is no coming back. If they had committed the unforgivable sin, there would have been no point in Jesus callng the scibes to him to teach them about it.   Notice again it is the scribes who made this claim that he called to him to teach them - Jesus was teaching the very ones who accused him of casting out demons by the power of the devil:   22The scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, "He is possessed by Beelzebul," and "He casts out the demons by the ruler of the demons. 23 So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan?   So He summoned them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? And, having called them near, in similes he said to them, 'How is the Adversary able to cast out the Adversary?   If they had committed the unforgivable sin, calling them over to teach them would have had no value for the scribes because they would have already been lost for all eternity. Jesus taught them the error of their claim and where such behavior could lead them and the eternal consequences if it did.   To go beyond this is indeed the result of assumption and conjecture with no scriptural foundation.                
    • Confused about prophecy
      By Esther4:14 · Posted
      I think that is a very subjective definition that not many people would accept.  I don't accept that as a definition because I am not going to establish a parameter for when someone reaches nonbeliever status.  I think Bonky was using the term nonbeliever because it was what we use to distinguish between believers and "nonbelievers" on the forum and there probably isn't some ulterior motive. 
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