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    • Is it just me...
      By *Zion* · Posted
      Yeah, that's exactly it Noobers... 
    • Edom is Ephraim also
      By MorningGlory · Posted
      Yes; he does.  Now if everyone would just use it. 
    • Derailing thread
      By *Zion* · Posted
         ...   ... 
    • Edom is Ephraim also
      By MorningGlory · Posted
      I have no credentials and have never claimed any.  I don't teach theology or attempt to; I use common sense and reading comprehension.   There is no spiritualization of Genesis 19 - 33.  It's a literal description of twin sons born to Isaac, the elder sold his birthright to the younger.  Esau became the Gentiles and Jacob became Israel.  This was accomplished under the Abrahamic Covenant. Sorry, you can't change the Bible.  Are you posting as Serving today? 
    • Edom is Ephraim also
      By simplejeff · Posted
      For Abram to have children of promise, to be the father of many, nations as promised, he definitely needed Sarah, yes indeed.....  and he knew this, and trusted Yahweh to fulfill His Promise.   and Yahweh , as always, guarded His Word and accomplished His Word exactly as He said and exactly as He Breathed in /through Scripture.
    • Should we expose our kids to skeptic's ideas?
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      I agree with the video.....     
    • The Church: A Called Out Assembly
      By Marilyn C · Posted
      Hi Montana Marv, Thank you for replying. Now who is the Lord talking to there in Matthew? Remember that the Lord did not reveal the Body of Christ till He ascended on high. He also told the Body of Christ that He would not come for them as a thief. `But you, brethren are not in darkness that this day should overtake you as a thief.` (1 Thess. 5: 4) Also interested to know your answer to Last Daze. Marilyn.
    • Edom is Ephraim also
      By AFlameOfFire · Posted
      My post count was 666 I had to post again and overcome that number there 
    • Mom's that Homeschool
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      Praise God and praying, Suzanne.   God Bless you.   Your brother in Christ, KPaulG.
    • Edom is Ephraim also
      By AFlameOfFire · Posted
      Here is another good one where two people actually are something allegorically and how the two (and the truths tied into the picture) can mean more to us by being taken spiritually speaking then naturally speaking. And this example is a decent one because it brings in the use of the natural (how it is shown by Paul) and uses the sons of Abraham in two women to show it (even as we have the two sons of Isaac shown in one woman) its moreso how Paul uses them, and here it shows they had the law and still couldnt hear the law and he uses this example. For example, in Gal 4:21 he is speaking to those who desire to be under the law, and he asks them this,

      Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

      So we have people who are desiring to be under the law but still could not "literally" hear how the law was speaking

      In what way could those with natural ears (and who could naturally hear sounds and words) not hear the law? 

      Gal 4:22 For it is (literally) written, that Abraham (literally) had two (literal) sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

      Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh (literally so, as Abraham went in and laid with her);  but he of the freewoman was (literally) by promise (which required no man to lay with her)

      Gal 4:24 Which things **ARE** (literally) an allegory: for these**ARE** the two covenants (literally so);  the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, (after the flesh) which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is (literally), and is in bondage with her children. Then continue to read of Sarah, or the freewoman These two (covenants, as Paul points out) shown in relation to Abraham (one according to the flesh) and the other according to the promise God said this

      Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets. Keeping in mind, God said of Abraham, Gen 20:7 Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live:

      So there we have it of Abraham, God used similitudes by the prophets where we Paul himself showing the two women of Abraham as an allegory
        Paul saying in respects to these things, Gal 4:24 Which things **ARE** an allegory: for these **ARE** the two covenants....

      So we see in the former prophets (of old) God spake by the same and used similitudes even as Jesus himself spake in a parable (even of the dark sayings of old) Psalm 78:2

      Here is how the Holy Ghost teaches

      1 Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

      So dont diss' the allegory eh'? I just love this little guy --->  lol Try it this way (edited in) Gal 4:24 Which things (( are )) an allegory: for these (( are )) the two covenants

      Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

      The verse preceeding it...

      Gal 4:28 Now ((( we )) , brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

      I mean there are nuts out there whose comparisons are just plain flaky (and off in la la land) I do get that but dont discard the allegorical because of a few crackpots. But then again if you do share the same (and are correct) I dont suppose you can get off the crackpot list because of spiritual comparisons, because  Paul also said he couldnt speak unto them as unto spiritual as some point, but would only receive what is naturally understood (not spiritually). Which I believe we would grow into seeing more and more, but here is a perfect example of what looks plain there. Abraham had two women and nothing hidden in plain sight there, Paul took it (into the allegorical) so they could hear it better. In hindsight we can see it (thank God for Paul) but can you imagine being Paul (back then) and being the first one to dry run that (with the carnally minded) and having not too much to support it?) lol Be nice to the allegory    
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