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    • Result of divisions between Christians.
      By shiloh357 · Posted
      What we are getting from littleflower is a justification for the RCC's magisterium and the man-made traditions of the Catholic Church which only existed post first century, and which has tried to take its traditions and retroactively read them into the Scriptures.
    • Result of divisions between Christians.
      By simplejeff · Posted
      Somewhere it is written (paraphrased) -= the truth may be devastating and embarrassing for  someone to come to admit it - but BETTER to be devastated and embarrassed  now  on earth (and through Godly sorrow brought to repentance) than to suffer  a resurrection of shame and judgment later ....  "THAT" might seem harsh , even though very necessary for (a chance at) life  and righteous.
    • Result of divisions between Christians.
      By shiloh357 · Posted
      That is completely false.  The NT General epistles of John were pretty good at identifying the heresies that existed in the first century.  
    • Result of divisions between Christians.
      By thereselittleflower · Posted
      My dear Esther, I have indeed studied the canon of scripture in depth. However, it is a misconception that the canon identifies heresy.   The canon does not identify heresy because it cannot identify heresy. People identify heresy. And people use the canon to create heresy.   Do you know what "Canon" actually means?          
    • Result of divisions between Christians.
      By shiloh357 · Posted
      That's not actually true.    Paul and the apostles never visited Rome prior to Pauls' writing to the believers in Rome.  Paul had no stake in the church at Rome.   Again, you assume that what was verbal is somehow different than what is in the Bible, but even when Paul talks about what he taught them verbally, there is no distinction, no traditions that are not already in the Bible. So fill us in. What were the verbal teachings that are not contained in the Scriptures?
    • Result of divisions between Christians.
      By thereselittleflower · Posted
      What people seem to forget is that the chrsitianity does not find it's Judaism 101 counterpart of the Pentatuch in the New Testament. In the Old Testament everything was spelled out to the smallest detail. In the New Testament we have no such "christianity 101" equivalent. The New Testament writings were written to those who had already been taught christianity 101 by the Apostles.    They had received this teaching VERBALLY.   The foundation of christianity was given VERBALLY.   The New Testament was written to BELIEVERS who had already been taught their faith.      They did not need a "Christianity 101" in writing. While the letters do go over some of the basics, it is to correct error, not to establish an initial foundation.  And so the letters BUILD ON the foundation already established by the VERBAL teaching of the Aposltes. This is the nature of the New Testament scriptures.         And so, since the New Testament scriptures were never intended to be a "Christinity 101" and are not a "Christianity 101" there must be somewhere else we find this foundation the Apostles laid in their verbal teaching - the same foundation which then would direct us in our understanding of what is written in scripture.   And so Paul tells us: 2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.   Trying to use the scriptures alone is like trying to build a house with only some of the blueprints for the physical structure, and lacking the blue prints for the foundation, so doing one's best to figure out what that foundation should look like.   And, as the great protestant experiment has amply demonstrated, everyone is in disagreement of how that foundation should be built.  Every group builds it differently.  This is because they don't have the blueprints for the foundation laid by the Apostles which was laid verbally.  They don't have the blueprints for the foundation laid by the Apostles because they only look to the scriptures alone which do not include the blueprints for the foundation laid by the Apostles verbally.  The New Testament scriptures were never intended to serve such a purpose.   They were not written to unbelievers who need to be taught the rudimentary principles of christianity, the fundamental teachings of the christian faith. They were written to christian believers who already knew their faith, who already possessed the rudimentary principles of christianity, who already were taught the fundamental teachings of the christian faith. One does not use the blueprints for the living room to build the foundation.    
    • Result of divisions between Christians.
      By Esther4:14 · Posted
      No, I don't believe that someone who trusts in heresy and continually denies the truth and authority of God's word is a believer.  However, that is not the same thing as someone who is a believer seeking the truth within a system that adopts a false doctrine.  I just don't believe that you can judge a person's heart or intention so generically.   
    • Result of divisions between Christians.
      By shiloh357 · Posted
      I sure am.  I said nothing "harsh."   I just reflect a level honesty you can't face up to.
    • Result of divisions between Christians.
      By shiloh357 · Posted
      But you assume that the verbal teachings and what was written, are different.  The verbal teachings were an elucidation on what was already written down.  Paul did not have any different teachings than what is in the epistles.   So, the Bible alone is enough.  In fact, Paul told the Corinthians that he preached only one message, Christ, and him crucified.   His verbal teachings were of the same subject matter and the same general content as contained in Scripture
    • Result of divisions between Christians.
      By Esther4:14 · Posted
      We can teach from God's word, but without establishing a canon or way of measuring the content of outside material, we are unable to gauge whether something is according to His word or not.  Have you done much study on the forming of the canon and the reasons for it.  We need the canon to identify heresy.  
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