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    • Will God take my life if not ready yet
      DEar Tigger, Only God knows how much you love Him and you  know you're saved through grace,what can a person do to save his or her own life? We are saved by grace or saved by grace and works? I do understand your struggle and so does God ,the fact that it's bothering you is that you listen to the defeated voice , don't give in when the enemy tries to tell you that you're not good enough to go to heaven. Addictions are hard to deal with and only God knows how you struggle maybe with some things? You're still Gods child and He's getting your attention by asking for help,but really you should ask Jesus ,advice and help  ,He's the One who can and will help you minute by minute. We are NEVER good enough to change things in our life on our own,Jesus is the Savior of our soul and the deliverer ,you will go to heaven if you're a child of Him and that you are! Don't listen to the enemy but pay attention to what the Holy Spirit is saying, nobody needs to tell us what sin is,we all know what sin is and only the sin of not believe in Jesus who saved us is the sin which will keeps us out of heaven,does this mean we can keep sinning? "NO!" but when we sin we ask God to forgive us and He will , we didn't receive  cheap grace , it came with a hight price ! Just commit yourself to God,listen to lots of praise music and you will be filled with the Holy Spirit who will lead you every step of the way ~~minute by minute~~   …8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one  can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life. Ef2:9      
    • The seven year Peace treaty, is it true or false ?
      Parallel accounts is a way of communicating often found in the Bible.
      This method of writing gives a broad overview,
      and then a detailed version repeating a crucial part of the first. The two creation accounts starting off the book of Genesis display this type of parallel construction in Biblical writing.
      First we have the broad overview going through the six days of creation.
      Then we have the detailed view of God's interaction with Man and Woman which sets the stage for these crucial relationships. In the Matthew's version of the Olivet Discourse, Jesus uses parallel construction in answering when He will come again. 
      In verses 24:4-14 He gives a broad overview which Jesus concludes with: "and then the end will come."
      He then starts again with a detailed portion in verses 24:15-31 starting with the (midpoint) abomination and goes to the gathering up (on the Day of the Lord).
      In all, Jesus gives us 5 specific and unique events and the order in which they come.
      And the Day of the Lord with its attendant 'gathering up' signifies the end of their time on the earth for the Elect. So one way to know when parallel writing is being used is when events are repeated in what seems to be a linear account.
      In chapters 11 through 13 of the book of Revelation, there are five instances where one-half of the one 'seven' are mentioned.
      Now there are not 17 1/2 years of the one 'seven'; there are only 7 "prophetic" years (360 days each) - i.e. parallel accounts have been used.

      In my view, Revelation chapters 4-11 (exclusive of 11:1-13) represent the broad overview.
      Revelation chapters 13-16 (inclusive) is the detailed portion representing just the one 'seven.' Likewise in Rev 11:13 and 11:19 we see a Great Earthquake, which comes at the "end".
      In addition, the "end" of the one 'seven' can be seen in Rev 16:17-21 which imputes a Great Earthquake because of the leveling of the earth found in v.20.
      Another "end" can be found in parallel to the battle of Armageddon of chapter 16 in Rev 19:19.  Christ Jesus defeats them and they are judged (just as is said in Rev 11:18a)  
      In all, we can find 4 "ends" to the time of God's Wrath with the final desolation of an earth-leveling (no mountains) earthquake. Rather than have four repetitions, where God's Wrath is repeated over and over, parallel accounts are evidenced and manifested by the repetition.
      What you are reading are various viewpoints which are needed to show the various facets of the end - because each has a purpose: information to impart.

      ------------------------------------------------------------- In the message Gabriel gives Daniel, there is a repeated event: the "end". This repetition means that Gabriel is using parallel construction to impart information. Like other parallel construction in Biblical writing,
      First there is the broad overview: Daniel 9:25-26.
      Then there is the detailed portion: Daniel 9:27. So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty- two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress. 26 Then after the sixty- two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined. (NASB) Three things here:
      1. The seven and the sixty-two 'seven's are linked by a conjunction in the Hebrew - they run consecutively.
      2. Gabriel sets three conditions which happen after the sixty-two 'sevens'
      ...a. The Messiah being cut off (karat), i.e. Jesus' crucifixion.
      ...b. The destruction of the city and the sanctuary
      ...c. Wars continue until the "end".
      3. The "end" is set.  "Its end" which comes quickly (like a flood) is the end of the whole seventy 'sevens'. Gabriel gives a broad overview which leads up to the "end" of it all - the whole of the seventy 'sevens'.
      The Bible is linear in its perspective of time.  There is a beginning and an end.  
      Not so with most other religions of antiquity which were circular and repeated their cycle forever.
      Now to the detailed portion: 27 And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate." The pouring out of God's desolations represents the end of the one 'seven'.  
      It spells out the doom to the anti-Christ figure.
      The Wrath of God revealed in the book of Revelation takes the form of physical conditions on and in the earth which make life perish.
      And the detailed parallel account of the one 'seven' in Revelation chapters 13-16 spell out exactly how these desolations are poured out.
      That wording about "pouring" is not coincidental. In Daniel 9:27, Gabriel gives us 3 specific and unique events and the sequence order in which they come:
      1. The 'covenant with many' - which is not a simple, nice, positive "confirmation" despite the KJV translation of gabar.
      2. The midpoint Abomination(s) Desolation.
      3. The complete destruction of the one who makes desolate - or better yet: the desolator. The point of all this is to show that the end of Daniel 9:26 and the end of Daniel 9:27 are the same. They both end with the "end". They are set in parallel. Therefore, before the one 'seven' can be said to have ended, all war must cease.
      As war has been a continual state of mankind for the last 2000 years, with some three dozen wars taking place right now:
      The one 'seven' has not concluded - indeed - it has not yet even begun. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Any attempt to say in some Preterist fashion that the "end" of one or the other has already come conflicts with conditions set forth in Bible prophecy which I call "Prophetic Facts." The fact is, that "War will continue to the end."
      God said it through Gabriel.
      As the Bible is true, and God is truth - we have a "FACT". And since it is also a fact that war continues, and as Jesus said, "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars," and this has been the case for the last few decades as well! - We have NOT seen the end come with the destruction of the city and the sanctuary in the First Jewish Revolt. Why is the city and the sanctuary even mentioned as one of three conditions which happen after the sixty-two 'sevens'?
      Because it points, as does other prophecy, notably from the book of Daniel, to the source for the future 'prince who shall come' - the anti-Christ. The destruction of the Temple was started by the Zealots - the Jews.  They set it on fire.
      The Roman soldiers, enraged in battle, disregarded Titus' orders to put the fire out!
      In the end, and in typical Roman fashion, they pull the whole thing down stone by stone.
      After the Second Jewish Revolt - Rome would attempt to tear the entire nation of Israel down by:
      1. Scattering its people, and
      2. Renaming the whole thing Palestine. And these two Jewish Revolts (and a third between them) registered so little on the scale of human conflict that they do not interrupt what history has come to regard as the "Roman Peace" or Pax Romana. That's right.  Rather than be the worst ever, as some Preterists would lead you to believe, these conflicts didn't make a blip on the radar screen of warfare. -------------------------------------------------------------------- So when anyone tries to tell you, it's all been accomplished - compare what they say to what the Bible says and not how what they say conflicts with what it says.
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