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    • Why did God create evil?
      By Sister · Posted
      Enoob I'm sorry I got upset with you.  I am normally quite thick skinned but have my moments. I had to look up the word exegetical.  I don't approach the scriptures like a theologian, I just say what's on my mind with scripture in mind, thinking everybody is on the same page.  It's good that you challenge me because it makes me go back to the scriptures to see how I got to my conclusion and go over it again. There's some things I just can't prove.  I don't see the scriptures like reading a newspaper with all the details in it.  I see them as something we have to seek in order to be given understanding from above....otherwise no one would seek and everyone would know everything plain as day.  The hidden jewels don't come that easy.  Isaiah 28:13   But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. Anyway, sorry brother I hope you will forgive me for being short with you.   
    • What St. Paul Really Said about Slavery
      By JohnD · Posted
      There is a saying that it is possible to be so heavenly minded that you are no earthly good. While there is merit to this saying we must remember that this life is not the end but the means to the end. The stage of testing / choices between the two eternal destinies. Romans 8:28 (AV) 28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Read that God orchestrates all things overall (including the choices we make and the evil we bring about). Slavery, polygamy (in the Old Testament), etc. are not condoned by God but he deals with what mankind brought into being. Something to remember when we are wallowing in self pity about how unfair life is, the fairness and justice down here on earth are best depicted by the scene on Calvary's hill where the Ultimate Innocence was crucified while Barabbas a murderer was set free. This life ain't utopia. Not even close. This life is the most hell believers will ever know and at the same time it is the most heaven unbelievers in Jesus Christ will ever know.    
    • Is it just me...
      By Logan · Posted
      You've got over 3000 pages of reading to do before you can claim last
    • True Gospel opposed by world church. Truth wins.
      By JohnD · Posted
      Just got wind of a book I am anxious to read "The Pilgrim Church" by Edmund Hamer Broadbent. I only heard the description of Broadbent and his book second hand from Chuck Missler who describes him as a researcher of the Church that held to the first century Church teachings and practices (a small minority outside the mainstream Church or "world Church" as you call them) up to his time in the 1920's.  Sounds fascinating! I won't go as far as to say these were never saved or that they rejected Jesus... because so long as they got the correct (genuine) Jesus the Bible teaches they are saved despite such factors as being worldly, belonging to any of the denominations (even Roman Catholicism... even Protestantism... even Messianic Judaism...). The true Jesus plus nothing (as Les Feldick loves to say with the emphasis on "plus nothing") is John 3:16-18, Ephesians 2:8-10, and so on. Meaning God may have to hold his nose to save most of us but the salvation took. That being said, I find that most Churches have embraced the traditions of man (i.e. Satan) for most of Church history... not necessarily beginning with the hostile corporate take over by Rome (conquering through peace, btw) via Emperor Constantine who prepared the way for his failing Empire to morph into the Roman Catholic Church. But that was the greatest gateway of humanism, religious trappings, and paganism into the (world) Church. There were the first century cults and some erroneous teachings and creeds floating around prior to then as the Church was driven underground from persecution and was unable to hold Church councils until the onslaught was called off by Constantine.  So the problem goes back a lot further than you may realize, simplejeff. The Protestant reformation did not reform far enough and brought much RCC traditions with them. The early denominations especially appeared to be very much like the RCC minus the Pope. And Messianic Judaism in order to identify with being Jewish has the tendency to immigrate  the practices of unbelieving Jews (who spent the last 2000 years reinventing themselves as not-the-christians). Getting back to the first century faith and putting the Holy Spirit interpreted Word of God back in authority is where I and pray the Church returns to. The divisions stem from the doctrines of man (therefore demons).  The point of Matthew 16:13-23 is the things of God versus the things of the devil (through man). We tend to get side tracked with the important theology in verses 16 - 18. But the point of the passage is the contrast between God's way and every other way.
    • The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
      By Sister · Posted
      Yes Ezra, they match exactly with Matthew 24.  I can see that too.
    • Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position
      By firestormx · Posted
      One thing you forgot to mention about pre-wrath that every other end time belief leaves out is that in Joel 2:31 it states a event that will occur before the day of the Lord or God's wrath. Those of us who believe in pre-wrath believe this is the 6th seal. It's the 6th seal or 4th trumpet. No other end time belief even addresses this verse that clearly states an event will happen before for the Day of the Lord/ God's wrath begins. 
    • The term " Born Again Christian " is unbiblical
      By JohnD · Posted
      The song "Ain't Necessarily so" was written by Jacob Gershwine (George Gershwin†††) depicting the lives of uninformed underprivileged people of color in a fictional town in the American South. Sentiment since echoed by the performances of such malcontents as Cher and Jamie Cullum to those who identify with their malcontent. We all sing the blues. But only a fool chooses misery to remain in. It's depressing and leads only to demise. ††† An extremely talented Jewish man who wrote many classic songs. Nothing against Jewish people, but there is the tendency in human nature to have a resentment towards the Holy Book especially when you are running from it (and especially if you are one of the chosen people of it). Also anyone can sing anything isn't necessarily so about anything. That doesn't make it so. Robin Hood for example can claim to be a high school grad and have the diploma on their facebook page and I can come along and say it ain't necessarily so. Don't seem Robin Hood doin' no home work. Can't see him or her passing gym class. I mean... so what? Just because I can say it does it make it not so in Robin Hood's actual life experience (and I'm sure Robin Hood did excel in all of the above which was strictly for example). Somebody else comes along and sees the thing I just wrote and repeats it without investigating whether or not it is true and it gets put to music and those who identify with it will sing it the Robin Hood flunked out of School Blues... and there you have the consensus to come to Robin Hood's message board and challenge his or her credentials. Is this the sort of thing you want to waste much time with?     
    • houston woman tweets that deputy deserved to be executed
      By bopeep1909 · Posted
      No common sense.Not a bright move.
    • Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position
      By bopeep1909 · Posted
      The pre-wrath rapture theory views the trumpet and the bowl judgments (Revelation 7–16) as the wrath of God, from which the church is exempted (1 Thessalonians 5:9). However, the first six seal judgments (Revelation 6) are not considered the wrath of God; rather, they are viewed as “the wrath of Satan” or “the wrath of the antichrist.” This is because there is no direct mention of God’s wrath until after the sixth seal is broken (Revelation 6:17). According to the pre-wrath rapture theory, the church will be present to experience the first six seals.

      Comparing Revelation 6 with Matthew 24, the pre-wrath rapture theorists identify the first seal judgments with Jesus’ description of the end times in Matthew 24:4-7. Jesus then refers to these events as “the beginning of birth pains” (verse 8). In verses 29 and 30, “the sign of the Son of Man” appears in the sky, and it is at this time, according to the pre-wrath rapture theory, that the rapture of the church occurs.

      One weakness of the pre-wrath rapture position is its presumption that the “elect” mentioned in Matthew 24:22, 31are church-age saints. These saints could just as easily be individuals saved during the seven-year tribulation; in fact, Jesus tells those who flee the antichrist’s persecution to pray that their flight does not occur “on the Sabbath” (verse 20). Since the church is not under the Mosaic law and does not keep the Sabbath, Jesus’ words cannot be directed to the church.

      Another flaw in the pre-wrath rapture theory is its teaching that the first seal judgments are not the wrath of God. Scripture shows that it is the Lamb who opens the seals (Revelation 5:5; 6:1). No other man is found worthy to open them (5:3-4). It would seem, then, these are not man’s judgments, but God’s. The tribulation begins when Jesus opens the first seal, and from that point on, the wrath of God is meted out on a sinful world.

      A final weakness of the pre-wrath rapture view is shared by the other theories: viz., the Bible does not give an explicit time line concerning future events. Scripture does not expressly teach one view over another, and that is why we have diversity of opinion concerning the end times and some variety on how the related prophecies should be harmonized.
      http://www.gotquestions.org/pre-wrath-rapture.html
    • Is it just me...
      By thereselittleflower · Posted
      To one who was last - Oooops another hole 
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