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    • Conditional vs Unconditional election
      I cut your post short as duplication of entire thing is not necessary, I just wanted to say I read your entire post once and it made perfect sense.  I think I am in mourning over the old noob, nevertheless, I am happy to read your words, God bless you Steven,  interesting comment about when God's breath left Adam, I am not sure I agree but need to study more, 
    • Is it just me...
      plucked and still last
    • Conditional vs Unconditional election
      As far I as have grown in understanding to this point I see monergism the necessary of Salvation... God had to upon His Own Self
      provide salvation for man. As man was created in image of God He is by design synergistic with God till sin: we see Adam supplied
      with choice in Gen 2 and the synergistic element is don't eat live with God in garden, eat and die and leave garden...
      When Adam chose to eat he died at that time; God's Breath left Him, (I believe The Holy Spirit), and though dead the synergistic element
      still existed by God's protection of choice eating 'the tee of life' and living forever in a state of separation from God called death... God
      also states that Adam and Eve had become like them in knowing good and evil as they (I believe this is conscious that every child is
      born with)... Now God curses the world, He made, and all was changed in that curse so man would not be comfortable in sin until
      death would take each and all (except for two) ... the rest of the entire Bible is God prompting man to turn from sin to Him in all
      dispensations to the eternal state... However and here's the rub- men can now only deal with input from two places from God
      1. Creation 2. God's word with the conscious as the only guide and naturally speaking being only man, as self centered, does not have
      capability to be God Centered so all resource within man can only prompt man in self centered motivation which is sin nature to
      seek a god to save man from hardship, suffering, death, hell whatever and therefore has no capability to come to God righteously
      to be save / they could only desire to save the sinner as >sinner< for no other being of existence was in them... God says Gal 4:4-6 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
        and I take this to mean that God in everyway form and example OT shows man incapable of being anything but a sinner as sinner...

      The monergistic design of salvation is self evident in design and there is nothing man can do to gain it through any other way but
      that of The Son and it was offered to all men in all times  By The Love of God by Grace alone through Faith alone in Christ alone...
      As the age of accountability ensues each individual sin like leaven begins to fill all parts of the conscious with total knowledge of evil
      so that all good knowledge no longer has place...  This made plain in God's evaluation of man before flood- Ge 6:5-8 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
      KJV The synergistic element- through conscious, as children, with the creation they are in, recognize that God 'IS' and if they choose to
      start searching for Him they can do so only as sinners and that is why God says Ro 3:10-12 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
      KJV Quote from Clark commentary
      Romans 3:12 [They are all gone out of the way]
      , they have all diverged from the right way, they have either abandoned or corrupted the worship of God: the Jews, in forsaking the law and the prophets and the Gentiles, in acting contrary to the law which God had written on their hearts. And the departure of both from the truth proves the evil propensity of human nature in general. [They are together become unprofitable]
      , they are useless, good for nothing; or, as the Hebrew has it,
      , they are putrid: he views the whole mass of mankind as slain and thrown together, to putrefy in heaps. This is what is termed the corruption of human nature; they are infected and infectious. What need of the mercy of God to save from such a state of degeneracy! [There is none that doeth good] In Ro 3:10 it is said, "There is none righteous"; here, "There is none that doeth good": the first may refer to the lack of a righteous principle; the second, to the necessary consequence of the absence of such a principle. If there is no righteousness within, there will be no acts of goodness without.
      (from Adam Clarke's Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1996, 2003, 2005, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

      This where .75 of total depravity I agree with- man can choose through conscious to come to a god but only as a way a Holy God
      Through Righteous channels could not accept >BUT<  God recognizing the choice itself and Monergistically through the synergism
      of Grace by Love continue to draw to His Word. Then the Word itself by hearing of it can install faith that enables the heart to reach
      the place where all it (heart) is and all the place it is in is unacceptable to ever be with The Holy God; They see in the Light of His Word
      the need of all they are and the world as it is worth zero... repentance at this place God permits so that they call out to God in belief
      and made able to open their heart to Jesus and become a new creature with the indwelling of The Holy Spirit....   Love, Steven  
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