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  1. William Another book of Enoch quote of yours: Enoch 87:5; 10:15, 9 [God's archangels]cast them [the rebellious fallen angels] into the cavities of the earth. …“Bind them for 70 generations underneath the earth, even to the day of judgment…and in the great day of judgment let [them] be cast into the fire.” How can this be.  There have been 65 generations from Shem to Joseph the husband of Mary. (Marys genealogy in Luke 3).  Then another 2000 years for 7 more generations. In Christ Montana Marv
  2. Other One But the caretaker of the scapegoat, the one who releases it must properly cleanse himself. In Christ Montana Marv
  3. William Your interpretation of Lev 16 is not what Scripture implies.  Jewish Folklore is not Scripture, whatever you may say. There is no Azazel in the original Scripture.  Do you see it anywhere in Leviticus.  Why do you try to translate Scripture into English?  You are not a Scholar are you. In Christ Montana Marv
  4. William here is a quote from your last post above: Mosaic Law and Jewish Lore about Azazel Leviticus 16 is Mosaic Law for Yom Kippur/the Day of Atonement, the holiest day of the year in the Israelite religious calendar. In verses 8, 10, and 26, the word usually translated in English as “scapegoat” is Azazel: the passages in Hebrew literally read “to/for Azazel.” “[A]ll the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions concerning all their sins, put…on the head of the goat” sent to/for Azazel. Lev. 16:21 – see Enoch 10:12 above. “[T]he goat designated for Azazel was given to the kohen [priest] assigned to lead it away into the wilderness. And when this kohen came to the designated ravine…he pushed the goat into the ravine.” The Rabbinical Assembly, Machzor for Rosh Hashanh and Yom Kippur, 611. This act at the ravine, which is not included in the instructions of Leviticus 16, clearly was a custom that was added to commemorate Azazel’s being cast into the Abyss at the time of the flood.   Again you are not following what Scripture says.  There are two goats.  The goats are cast by lot to determine their fate.  One goes to the Lord, the one which is to be sacrificed as a sin offering.  The other goat is the scapegoat, Which all the sins of the nation are put on it and which is used for making atonement by sending it alive into the desert. Lev 16:22.  Christ is the only one who can make atonement for sin.  Both of these are but a foreshadow of what Christ will do.  Azazel has nothing to do with this process. In Christ Montana Marv
  5. William A lot of nonsense what you say;  Rev 13 describes 3 different beasts; a kingdom (out of the sea), a leader with a fatal wound (exercises his authority for 42 months), and a miraculous signs worker (out of the earth - False prophet)  So which one of these does Azazel have authority over. So how can Satan give power to Azazel when Azazel is still in the Abyss?  Azazel does not come on the scene until at least 5 1/2 to 6 years after the Roman Empire along with these 3 beasts of Rev 13 have come on the scene.  Azazel is not around when Satan and his host are thrown out of Heaven.  Satan cannot visit Heaven anymore, but he can visit the Abyss.   Azazel is an insignificant player during this 70th Week.   Scripture only gives him one task; to torment people for 5 months.  I say Satan is the leader of ALL the fallen angels. And from the 5th Trumpet on, it is still God who is causing all these things to happen.  All the 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls are all from God.  Again, Azazel and his horde torment people, they do not seduce people as you say.   In Christ Montana Marv
  6. William The king over them is not give any power except to torment those with the mark of the beast or those who have worshiped the beast with the fatal wound.  The beast who comes out of the sea is the revamped Roman Empire.  Yet this empire also has the attributes of Babylon (Lion), Medo-Persa (Bear), and Greece (Leopard).  Future Rome are the ten toes of clay and iron mixed. (Dan 2:42) This revamped Roman Empire begins at the onset of this 70th Week.  The Abyss is opened well after the A/D is set up.  So this Azazel of yours does not influence or is given any authority over this newly revamped Rome Empire.  He also cannot be the beast of this Empire, nor can he be the False Prophet as you suggest.  Your timing is way way off.  Your theory is way way off. In Christ Montana Marv  
  7. William Scripture does not back what you say.  Let's look at Rev 9: 1-12 v. 3b - They were given power like that of a scorpion.  They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.  They were not given power to kill them, but power only to torture them for five months.  v.6 - During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they long to die, but death will elude them.  v. 10b - They had the power to torment people for five months. So the Az team (Azazel and his horde) are told to do only one thing, the power to torment those without Gods seal for 5 months.  Scripture does not reveal Azazel being given power by Satan as you say.  He, Azazel  and the Az team torment people for 5 months.  No one follows Azazel.  They seduce no one, they torment them. In Christ Montana Marv Edit: This was to be a quote from William with other ones response, so I deleted quote.
  8. William Your timing is way off.  First of all the beast that the dragon gives power to in Rev 13:1 is a kingdom. [It will have all the attributes of Babylon, Medo-Persa, Greece, and Rome]  Secondly; one of the heads (leader which later is also called a beast) of this kingdom beast had a fatal wound.  Then the fatal wound was healed on this leader/beast and the whole world followed after this beast (v3). [this will be likened to Christ rising on the third day from the grave]   This all begins at the onset of the 70th Week. This leader/beast/Antichrist exercises his authority for 42 months (v.5)  This is also referenced to 2 Thes 2:3 - That day will not come until the rebellion (falling away) occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed. The 5th Trumpet when the Abyss is opened occurs well after the A/D is set up and into the second 42 month period of the 70th Week.  And most likely the last 1 1/2 years of the Great Trib.  Satan the Dragon is hurled down at the time the A/D is set up and is in total control for the second 42 month period. The Book of Enoch is not of Scripture.  Josephus and his writings are not of Scripture.  You put a lot of credence in secular writings. In Christ Montana Marv
  9. When is Satan/Dragon/Devil thrown out of Heaven

    Yes, and Judas hung himself for that act.  The false prophet along with the beast who had the fatal wound are thrown alive into the Lake of Fire before Armageddon.  A Demon possessed, or fallen Angel possessed person is in dire straights.  People are not attracted to them.  They will run from them.  Yet the False Prophet causes people to worship the beast who had a fatal wound.  People will stand in awe of him, not run from him. In Christ Montana Marv
  10. Third temple: mere possibility or concrete reality?

    It is really not that difficult; The Church, Body of Christ, Bride of Christ, NT Bible Believing Christians, those indwelt by the Holy Spirit is/are made up of both Jew and Gentile.  We are all saved by Grace.  We are not under the law, especially the Mosaic Law. Now Unbelieving Jews are not under Grace, they may consider themselves still under the Mosaic Law.  Now the Mosaic Law has provision for sacrifices and sin offerings.  A Temple will be needed to perform these in the future. Present day Israel already has a priesthood ready to perform the Temple tasks.  They have been purifying a bloodline for an unblemished Red Heifer in which the blood of this sacrificed animal (out the city) will be used to purify the Temple.  All Israel needs now is the go ahead to begin building this new Temple.  Yes, animal sacrifices and sin offerings to be performed there under the Mosaic Law. BTW, the Blood of the Lamb is only pertinent to those who accept Jesus Christ.  Meaningless/foolishness to others. When does all Israel believe?  When they see the one who they have pierced at the Second Coming.  Their sins will be removed in a single day.  Their land will be healed.  Their inheritance will be restored.   10 men from other nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and ask if they can go with him when he goes to see the Lord and King. In Christ Montana Marv
  11. When is Satan/Dragon/Devil thrown out of Heaven

    Last Daze Satan does not indwell anyone, he is himself. Rev 16:13 - Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. Rev 12:13 - When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman... In Christ Montana Marv  
  12. Third temple: mere possibility or concrete reality?

    Thanks I stand corrected with Abraham being the Hebrew.  Yet he also was a Chaldean. In Christ Montana Marv
  13. Third temple: mere possibility or concrete reality?

    Zion Abraham was the father of many nations, Israel being one of them through Issac and Jacob.  Jacob (Israel) is the father of the 12 tribes.  Hebrew (Jewish) begin with Jacob. In Christ Montana Marv
  14. Third temple: mere possibility or concrete reality?

    Last Daze We are not the Spiritual offspring of Israel.  We are a vine off the branch which is Christ (both Jew and Gentile, indwelt by the Holy Spirit).  We are by Faith the Spiritual offspring of Abraham.  Israel will someday be again a Spiritual offspring of Abraham.  Abraham was not Jewish. In Christ Montana Marv
  15. When is Satan/Dragon/Devil thrown out of Heaven

    Last Daze Here we are kind of close.  I believe Satan is thrown out at the time the A/D is set up by the A/C.  Satan pursues the women for 42 months (3 1/2 years) per Rev 12:14.  Yet the beast who had the fatal wound, the one who the false prophet makes people worship, is in control for the first 42 months.;  Rev 13:3 says the whole world followed him/beast.  Yet, Israel flees from the Dragon/Satan.  But they do not flee from the A/C.  Two opposing or conflicting terminology.  So we see two 42 month periods back to back, yet joined the by A/D.  The A/C on one side in which the whole world follows after him.  Then he sets up the A/D at the time Satan is thrown out of Heaven, and then Satan pursues the woman Israel for the last 42 month period, and makes life miserable for the rest of the world. Now look at Daniel 11:36 - 45.  There is a king that magnifies himself above everything until the time of wrath is completed.  This time of wrath is during the last 42 months.  Who is in charge, Satan.  It also says he is unable to take control of Edom, Moab, and Ammon (all in the mountains East of Israel.  Where is Israel to flee to in Matt 24:15, 16.  (the mountains) [not just Petra] In Christ Montana Marv