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  1. When is Satan/Dragon/Devil thrown out of Heaven

    Argosy Dan 11:36 - The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard of things against the God of gods.  He will be successful until the time of wrath is complete.  v.39b - he will greatly honor those who acknowledge him.  He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price.  v. 41 - He will also invade the Beautiful Land.  Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand.   Isa 14:13, 14 - You said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven, I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain.   I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High. Satan wants to be like the Most High.  He wants worship. In Christ Montana Marv  
  2. When is Satan/Dragon/Devil thrown out of Heaven

    If what you  say is the case; why then is Satan allowing people to worship the A/C and not himself.  When Satan is on earth, he is the top dog, all are to worship him.  But with Rev 13; the A/C is the top dog and the whole word follows him for 3 1/2 years. (Israel included).  Yet when Satan comes on the scene he pursues the woman (Israel), and she flees from him. So the two have a different times of leadership.  The first 42 months for the A/C; and the last 42 months for Satan. In Christ Montana Marv
  3. NO ONE KNOWS the Day or Hour, except the FATHER ?

    Omegaman If one thinks that the 2nd Coming is being referred to by the "no one knows that day or hour", you have a problem.  Matt 24:29, 30 . It kind of dismisses the "no one knows that day or hour"  Look at v.29 - "Immediately after the distress of those days..... "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn".  These verses pinpoint the time of the 2nd Coming.  "Immediately after the distress of those days". Then who or what is being referred to by : No one knows that day or hour, not the angels in heaven, not the Son, but only God the Father.  For this cannot refer to the 2nd Coming, because of:  Immediately after the distress of those days. And then how much of Matt 24, is truly "Matt 24". One must remember that the original text did not have chapter breaks or even have verses.  So truly the Olivet Discourse could easily end at verse at 31.  Verse 32 and on is a different subject altogether.  "No one knows that day or hour except God the Father". (Rapture) vs "Immediately after the distress of those days" (for the 2nd Coming)." In Christ Montana Marv
  4. 22 Hard Questions for Pre-Tribbers

    MG So when only God the Father knows the time, it is not revealed in Scripture. As the Word and GTF are different, as you posted.  When they say here it is in Scripture, then there it is not. In Christ Montana Marv
  5. NO ONE KNOWS the Day or Hour, except the FATHER ?

    Omegaman Since God the Father is not the Word (Logos).  One cannot find the time of the Rapture in Scripture.  Since God the Father is the only One who knows the time of the Rapture.  And Yes Jesus will know;  When God the Father says to Him that the Bride is finished and ready, go retrieve her. But, is it not comforting to not know the day or hour for the Rapture, but only to Watch and be Ready for it. It is kind of like a father handing over the keys to a car to a son or daughter.  They know one day it will happen, but the father is the only one who knows when it will happen. If one must get picky;   John 1;  The Word was with God in the beginning (before ALL was created)  and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us (Jesus).  What tense is this?  The Word being with God in the beginning.  Is this still true now (the Word being with God the Father), the same as in the beginning.  If so, nothing has changed between the Two.  The Word is still the Word (Jesus the Son), and God the Father is still God the Father. Each aspect of God is/was the same yesterday, today and tomorrow (forever).  The attributes of the Godhead do not change. So if Jesus Christ (the Word) says that only God the Father knows.  There is only one thing to know:  Only God the Father knows.  To try to wiggle it into Scripture is for philosophers. But what if....   But did it really say that no one would know the time or hour or day for the Rapture, at that time, but will at a future time. In Christ Montana Marv
  6. NO ONE KNOWS the Day or Hour, except the FATHER ?

    Omegaman Scripture says that only God the Father Knows, not the angels in heaven or the Son.  Unless you have some big revealing directly from God the Father, I cannot take you at your word with regard to the Rapture.  And since God the Father is not the Word (Logos); I doubt you will find the time of the Rapture in Scripture. And with what I highlighted above (We know however, that Jesus never said that no one will know)  He already stated that only God the Father Knows.  You are bring in a seed of doubt.  Not comparing you; but what did Satan say in the Garden?  "Did God really say". In Christ Montana Marv
  7. NO ONE KNOWS the Day or Hour, except the FATHER ?

    Matt 25 1 - 13, the ten virgins are waiting for the Bridegroom (not the King of Kings and Lord of Lords),  keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour. Matt 24: 26 - 44 (Two will be in the field, one will be taken, the other left,  Two women will be grinding, one will be taken, the other will be left.   (five wise virgins were taken, the five unwise were left.) If one notices the only sign is as in the days of Noah before he entered the ark, when people are eating and drinking, and marrying and given in marriage.  That/This environment exists right now. One has all sorts of signs and events which will lead up to the Second Coming.  Not so with the Rapture. In Christ Montana Marv
  8. NO ONE KNOWS the Day or Hour, except the FATHER ?

    Omegaman True, Absolutely no Scripture giving the day, time or hour for the rapture.  Unknown Yet we know when the 2nd Coming is. A Pre 70th Week Rapture position is the ONLY position which one cannot calculate.  No one can calculate.  See, No One.  Yet, once the 70th Week begins all bets are on; One then can calculate all they want.  And they will be correct within 7 years.  But wait, once the A/D is set up there now is close to 3 1/2 years which remain. And wait, once the Euphrates River is dried up, your chances are getting better.  Your chance of getting it right are getting better and better.  Harold Camping would be so proud.  Get out your slide rule. I pick the position which no one calculate.  The pre 70th Week position In Christ Montana Marv
  9. NO ONE KNOWS the Day or Hour, except the FATHER ?

    Omegaman Great Omegaman So you just confirmed that the timing for the Rapture is not in Scripture.  So to give Scriptural support for a Post, or Pre-Wrath position is all a farce. There is no evidence, there are no Scriptures.  Thank you for your kind words. For that day of the Bridegroom coming for His Bride is Only known by God the Father.  Matt 24: 36-51 and Matt 25: 1-14. In Christ Montana Marv
  10. When is Satan/Dragon/Devil thrown out of Heaven

    Then Satan is not in heaven accusing the saints day and night and Jesus is not needed as an advocate to the Father. In Christ Montana Marv
  11. When is Satan/Dragon/Devil thrown out of Heaven

    Both are Prophetic, yet future. (Rev 12:10, 11) For Satan is our accuser in heaven, They overcame him by the Blood of the Lamb, as we do.  So when did Jesus see Satan fall like lightning, for the Cross came later from the Luke 10:18 verse. In Christ Montana Marv
  12. Raptures & Resurrections

    John 1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God.  He was with God in the Beginning.  Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. v 14 The Word became flesh and dwelt with us. Col 1:15-17... - He is the image of the invisible God.... For by Him all things were created; things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities, all thing were created by him and for him.  He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And yet in Rev 4 - 2, 3 -At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it.  And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian.  A rainbow, resembling an emerald, encircled the throne.  Rev 5 :1 - Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. So here we see that God the Father is invisible, yet we see He appears like....  Jasper, Carnelian, Emerald, Rainbow.  And God the Father is sitting on the Throne in Heaven.  Plus in his right hand He is holding a scroll. So God the Father does have dimension.  He sits on His Throne in Heaven, a scroll in his right hand....  and yet his appearance is not distinguishable.  And as John 14 says - In my Fathers house are many rooms...  God the Father does have a dwelling place. Rev 21:3 - Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them  (New Jerusalem) Then being Divine (as the Godhead is) and their utmost position is indescribable.  They are limitless, yet they choose form.  And yet they are ONE.  William has some good thoughts. In Christ Montana Marv
  13. Biblical Calculations 2. ( the final 7 years).

    tigger The Great White Throne Judgment is after the Mill which is for Unbelievers.  The Bema Seat of Christ is sometime before the 1000 years which is for the Bride. In Christ Montana Marv
  14. Biblical Calculations 2. ( the final 7 years).

    Marilyn  The 6th Bowl is when the Euphrates River is dried up. Then there must be at least 30 days for the front of that army to reach Armageddon, So the 200 Million horde from the East can continue (say 10 miles wide by 23 miles long).  The Great earthquake of the 7th Bowl and its plague of hailstones puts all on hold for a while (a few days to a week at least).  The Valley of Megiddo where Armageddon will take place occupies about 180 sq miles. Scripture does not reveal whether Armageddon lies within or beyond the 70th Week.  I believe it is beyond the 70th Week as with the birds of the air eating the flesh of those who died there. In Christ Montana Marv
  15. Biblical Calculations 2. ( the final 7 years).

    Marilyn Yes:  The first 30 day period is the duration of the Battle of Armageddon.  Well over 1 Billion will die there, plus horses.  Look at the 200 Million out of the East.  In tight formation they occupy over 230 sq miles.  almost shoulder to shoulder, 2 feet in front and back.  Each horse and rider occupying about 40 sq feet each ( slightly larger than a 4x8 sheet of plywood)  Also it is about 700 miles from the Euphrates River to Armageddon.  If they averaged 25 miles a day, it would take them 28 days to get to Armageddon. The next 45 days is the length of time for the Birds of the air to eat the flesh of those who died.  A lot of meat. In Christ Montana Marv