This is mostly addressed to Yod.
Ken and Mizzdy, I ask again:
How do you reconcile those verses?
And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.
Acts 15:23 Then the emissaries and the elders, together with the whole Messianic community, decided to select men from among themselves to send to Antioch with Sha'ul and Bar-Nabba. They sent Y'hudah, called Bar-Sabba, and Sila, both leading men among the brothers, 23 with the following letter: From: The emissaries and the elders, your brothers To: The brothers from among the Gentiles throughout Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings!
This also seems to show the reader that these brothers are from the gentiles and not gentiles.
Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the congregations of the Gentiles.
Sterns has this as saying 'but also the congregations amoung the Gentiles, not that there was gentile congregations. I include verse 3 here since you referenced it below. Doesnt seem as if its talking about gentile congregations but the congregations among the gentiles.
Roms. 16:3-4 Give my greetings to Priscilla and Aquila, my fellow workers for the Messiah Yeshua. 4 They risked their necks to save my life; not only I thank them, but also all the Messianic communities among the Gentiles
That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Eph. 3:6 1 It is a consequence of this that I, Sha'ul, am a prisoner of the Messiah Yeshua on behalf of you Gentiles. 2 I assume that you have heard of the work God in his grace has given me to do for your benefit, 3 and that it was by a revelation that this secret plan was made known to me. I have already written about it briefly, 4 and if you read what I have written, you will grasp how I understand this secret plan concerning the Messiah. 5 In past generations it was not made known to mankind, as the Spirit is now revealing it to his emissaries and prophets, 6 that in union with the Messiah and through the Good News the Gentiles were to be joint heirs, a joint body and joint sharers with the Jews in what God has promised.
Again isnt Yahweh pulling the gentiles out of the nations and joining them to His already existing body? joint heirs, part of what is promised, joint sharers, grafted in to that body. We no longer belong to the world but to Him, we are then added to that body called Israel. Are we not called to 'come out of her' out of what we were into what we will be forever.
12Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be!
13But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them.
Yes Yah uses the bringing the gentiles into His body as a way of showing the unbelievers that He is the Yahweh of all peoples not just 'Jews' but for anyone who will join and those anyones are called gentiles since they are outside of the covenant. Only by joining into the body, the tree do they become His. The Jews were supposed to see the gentiles joining and becoming like them with the abundant grace and mercy that once was only shown to those who converted to 'Judaism'. Not one word about staying as a gentile, gentiles I think you might agree were not very good people, pagan worshippers, idolatry was rampant, foods, sexual immoratility was also very much a part of the gentiles way of living. Why would one want to stay a gentile, we were once that but no more.
We now have two houses within the body of Messiah then, gentiles and Jews, each with their own ways of doing things, the church leaves off the instructions of Yahweh but have the testimony of Yeshua, the Jews have the instructions but not the testimony of Yeshua. We both know Yod that this is not what He wants, He doesnt want two bodies going two separate ways, it is these two entities that need to be joined back together, something we both see and both I believe adhere to in our walk. Can you honestly say that these two bodies different in more ways than we can count, are the bride, the remnant? Or is it perhaps the one body that was present in the first century, the gentiles joining with believeing Israel who make up the true body? And I ask what is that remnant called, gentile/jew assembly? Messianic Jew assembly, hebrew christains, gentile christians, what is the remnant called? are they only Jews in it? Frankly I see it as Messianic, restored Israel. Not gentiles who only have the testimony nor the Jews who only have the commandments. I see that there needs to be a fulfillment of the two houses coming together as one, the Jews need to accept Messiah dont they? and the church needs to get back to all of His words not just what christianity has taught for all these years. If you dont agree with that then you must not really have been agreeing with what you have written over the years or what you testify in some other places. It is a bring back, a reconcilation, a restoration that cannot happen unless there is just that, a coming together of those from each side uniting as one body.
Who does Yah calls His own, does He says that its the Gentiles that are His alone? is the it Jews who are His alone, the Messianic Jews? No not one, two or three groups with different avenues but one, one body, one Yahweh one way to the kingdom, and that is by accepting Him His ways and are grafted into the commonwealth of Israel. I have already explained why I believe and posted from a source that you nor anyone else can come against as a two house adherant. McKee is a respected author and teacher who also sees all grafted into body called Israel, Israel not in the sense of a genetic body but sees that the prophecy has not been completed yet and that the restoration is more than likely starting and we all will be united when He comes.
Yod, anyone can you answer this for me, do you see the complete fulfillment of Jer. 31 and Heb. 8 when the Jews came back to the land? Do you see the Eze. prophecy of the two sticks as completed? And if so how did it come about, where can I find this amazing group of people who are from all the tribes who all call upon the name of Yeshua, where can I find the place where no one is still teaching, etc. In order for these to have been fulfilled we should be able to find all those things listed in prophecy. Again I do not see that the fulfillment of these has taken place, that is why I still see that the two houses have yet to unite under His rule and reign.
I am not ignoring anything, some of us are busy also life calls us away, He calls us away to serve Him in other ways also so please knock off 'cant you answer' stuff. And if you truly knew Ken you would know that he homeschools two children, takes care of his land, and has many obligations that dont allow him to sit waiting to reply to your posts. And yes Yod I would expect a bit more grace from you as well as anyone who claims Yeshua as their guide. What gets me is that its ok for you to be rude and condescending when something is said you dont agree with, its your mo here at Worthy and I dont say that lightly its something you know to be true. We should be able to have a discussion without the rudeness and arrogance that seems to come from you. Posting on the fly is no excuse either nor is the idea that because you say its so it must be, we have had many discussion here about the whole 'I am right and your wrong' attitudes. We both know how threads are, someone posts, someone disagrees, someone takes the person to task over their believes, words are exchanged, etc. Frankly that is what is wrong with so many forums, not many are ever willing to calmly and rashly discuss things without the 'right' card coming out. I am done with this thread as you and I both know you think I am a two house genetic bloodline adherant, you labeled me that nearly the day I stepped foot here and you just are not going to change your mind. My whole two house as you call it is really a one house made up of all of us, all who confess His name, who have His testimony, who have His instructions and follow them, made up of the believer in Judah and in Israel. You can call me what you want I am done with it all.