Latest General Discussion Topics Latest topics in the Inner Court http://www.worthychristianforums.com/index.html Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:18:38 -0500 30 Jesus and the Pharisees http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Jesus-Pharisees-t117049.html JESUS AND THE PHARISEES
A Jewish Perspective, by William C. Varner
Linked 09/02/2010.

http://www.pfo.org/pharisee.htm





I found this well worth the read thumbsup.gif .

Blessings,
Andy]]> Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:00:56 -0500 http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Jesus-Pharisees-t117049.html What is eternal life? http://www.worthychristianforums.com/eternal-life-t117048.html Eternal life (John 17:3) is to know God. To know God is to know and accept His ways. Those who know Him, therefore, do His will (Marr 7:21-23). His will is this, that we love one another as He has loved us (John 12:15). He loved us by humbling Himself to take a human form (in the person of Jesus) and suffering the most painful death in order to bring forgiveness to us, who were unfaithful to Him, betrayed Him and killed Him. Eternal life, therefore, is a life that has surrendered its will to God; sacrificed its own interest to serve others; and has forgiven and healed those who have been unfaithful to it, betrayed it and hurt it. Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:40:01 -0500 http://www.worthychristianforums.com/eternal-life-t117048.html Revelations Commentary http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Revelations-Commentary-t117041.html I have read revelations several times and have difficulty understanding it. Does anyone know of any trustworthy commentaries I could read? Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:10:36 -0500 http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Revelations-Commentary-t117041.html 2012 Race http://www.worthychristianforums.com/2012-Race-t117035.html Sarah Palin for Pres. 2012. Run Sarah Run!!!!!! Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:39:07 -0500 http://www.worthychristianforums.com/2012-Race-t117035.html Dimitru Duduman http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Dimitru-Duduman-t117034.html The Russian spies have discovered where the nuclear warehouses are in America.
When the Americans will think that it is peace and safety - -

from the middle of the country,
some of the people will start fighting against the government.
The government will be busy with internal problems.

Then from the ocean, from Cuba, Nicaragua, Mexico,
He told me two other countries, but I didn't remember what they were.
They will bomb the nuclear warehouses. When they explode, America will burn!


http://www.revlu.com/dd.html


Jer:50:26: Come against her from the utmost border, open her storehouses: cast her up as heaps, and destroy her utterly: let nothing of her be left.


I just know it's gonna happen. There is trouble brewing right now against the federal govt.]]> Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:32:58 -0500 http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Dimitru-Duduman-t117034.html Spirit Filled http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Spirit-Filled-t117031.html
QUOTE
February, 8

Spirit-Filled
"And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together, and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost and they spake the word of God with boldness. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection" (Acts 4:31, 33).

Christmas Evans tells us in his diary that one Sunday afternoon he was traveling a very lonely road to attend an appointment, and he was convicted of a cold heart. He says, "I tethered my horse and went to a sequestered spot, where I walked to and fro in an agony as I reviewed my life. I waited three hours before God, broken with sorrow, until there broke over me a sweet sense of His forgiving love. I received from God a new baptism of the Holy Ghost. As the sun was westering, I went back to the road, found my horse, mounted it and went to my appointment. On the following day I preached with such new power to a vast concourse of people gathered on the hillside, that a revival broke out that day and spread through all Wales."
The greatest question that can be asked of the "twice born" ones is, "Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?"

This was the password into the early Church.
"O the Spirit filled life; is it thine, is it thine?
Is thy soul wholly filled with the Spirit Divine?
O thou child of the King, has He fallen on thee?
Does He reign in thy soul, so that all men may see
The dear Savior's blest image reflected in thee?


"Has He swept through thy soul like the waves of the sea?
Does the Spirit of God daily rest upon thee?
Does He sweeten thy life, does He keep thee from care?
Does He guide thee and bless thee in answer to prayer?
Is it joy to be led of the Lord anywhere?


"Is He near thee each hour, does He stand at thy side?
Does He gird thee with strength, has He come to abide?
Does He give thee to know that all things may be done
Through the grace and the power of the Crucified One?
Does He witness to thee of the glorified Son?

"Has He purged thee of dross with the fire from above?
Is He first in thy thoughts, has He all of thy love?
Is His service thy choice, and is sacrifice sweet?
Is the doing His will both thy drink and thy meat?
Dost thou run at His bidding with glad eager feet?


"Has He freed thee from self and from all of thy greed?
Dost thou hasten to succor thy brother in need?
As a soldier of Christ dost thou hardness endure?
Is thy hope in the Lord everlasting and sure?
Hast thou patience and meekness, art tender and pure?

"O the Spirit filled life may be thine, may be thine,
In thy soul evermore the Shekinah may shine;
It is thine to live with the tempests all stilled,
It is thine with the blessed Holy Ghost to be filled;
It is thine, even thine, for thy Lord has so willed."



http://www.crosswalk.com/devotionals/desert/11529297/print/]]> Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:29:38 -0500 http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Spirit-Filled-t117031.html Archeology news - pictures http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Archeology-news-picture-t117022.html
Stolen treasures are recovered, and fallen soldiers are put to rest in the latest news from the world of archaeology. Plus, take a look at the 13th century relic of a beloved royal, the ancient cat god, and more.

http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/scitech/2...news?test=faces]]> Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:25:13 -0500 http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Archeology-news-picture-t117022.html <![CDATA[Why do we "go to Church"?]]> http://www.worthychristianforums.com/go-Church-t116993.html
In trying to answer this question, we have looked at the early Church and asked why did they meet and what were their meetings like? And we have wondered if we meet for the same reason(s) and if our meetings should be like thiers were.

We've also asked ourselves, should the meetings be evangelical? Should they be pulpit-centric? What is the place of worship in the meeting? What is the place of teaching, praying, and other things?

These are not a list of questions to answer, but examples of the questions we have asked in our attempt to understand,

What should the weekly meeting look like ?


Thoughts ... ?


~clay]]> Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:12:26 -0500 http://www.worthychristianforums.com/go-Church-t116993.html What does in the Law mean http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Law-t116988.html ANgelmiss]]> Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:20:17 -0500 http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Law-t116988.html Homosexuals In The Military http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Homosexuals-Military-t116972.html ]]> Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:17:37 -0500 http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Homosexuals-Military-t116972.html Rapture References Part Two http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Rapture-References-Part-t116971.html Everyone knows how I feel (I am in total agreement with the article and believe that the Scriptures provided are proof of that position.) I can say nothing else to further the argument put forward by Mr. Kelley's and the Bible's proof leading through the Holy Spirit. So I will not be responding to any attacks about context or understanding. I expect rebuttal, but please address them to the article and not to me. If you wish to debate Mr. Kelley, I'm sure he would welcome any questions you may have. He can be emailed at questions@gracethrufaith.com. So, here is part two:

In part one of this series we explored some of the clearest hints from the Old Testament that the Lord has always intended to rapture the Church before the End Times judgments begin. This time we’ll continue with a two part survey of the New Testament. Because Paul was the first to reveal the mystery of the Rapture, we won’t expect to find a clear explanation in the Gospels, but since we already know about it, we’ll be able to spot a couple of hints here and there. Shall we continue?

Obvious By Our Absence?

In His definitive teaching on the End Times, the Lord warned Israel they would be hated and persecuted by all nations because of Him (Matt. 24:9). He said many would fall away from the faith, and would betray and hate each other (Matt. 24:10). He said their Temple would be desecrated by another Abomination of Desolation, and when that happened those in Judea (the New Testament name for Israel) would have to flee into the mountains immediately (Matt. 24:15) He told them to pray that their flight wouldn’t take place in the winter (winters can be harsh in the Judean wilderness) or on the Sabbath (fleeing would violate Sabbath travel restrictions) because the Great Tribulation would be coming and it would be worse than anything man has ever known (Matt. 24:20-21). He said if He didn’t personally intervene not one of them would survive it, but for the sake of the believers among them He would put an end to it at the appointed time (Matt. 24:22). He said false Messiahs and false prophets would perform great signs and miracles to deceive them as the end approached (Matt. 24:24). (Paul confirmed this in 2 Thes. 2:9-10 placing its fulfillment after the rapture.)
He said everyone on Earth will see Him when He comes back (Matt. 24:27) and it will be just like the Days of Noah. Unbelievers who survive the Great Tribulation will be taken away in the judgments that follow His return and believers will be welcomed into the Kingdom to build a new world. All this and more, He said to Israel. (Matt. 24:36-25:46)
But did He speak one word of comfort, or even warning, to His Bride? Did He say He’d protect us through this terrifying time? Did He even acknowledge our existence? No. Not once. Why? Because He was talking to Israel about a time after we’re gone. He left it to Paul to explain the details of our rescue after it was too late to stop what He was about to do for us.

Lot Had To Leave Sodom (Revisited)

“It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.” (Luke 17:28-29)
In Luke 17:26-27 Jesus had been saying how in the days of Noah unbelievers hadn’t heeded the warnings they were given, and didn’t avail themselves of the Lord’s provision for their rescue. They were caught by surprise when the flood came and it destroyed them all.
At first glance verses 28-29 seem like a similar example, but it’s really very different. Lot was taken away from the time and place of the judgment before it began. In fact the angels who were sent to remove him said they couldn’t bring the judgment on Sodom and Gomorrah until Lot was away and safe. (Genesis 19:21-22) As I demonstrated in part one of this series, Lot served as a model of the Church who also has to be rescued from the time and place of the coming judgment before it can begin.

The Resurrection And The Life

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die.” (John 11:25-26)
This is an amazing statement. The Lord had already said that whoever believes in Him would not perish but would have eternal life. (John 3:16) Here he provided more detail, saying that even though a believer experiences physical death, he will still have life. He was referring to the resurrection of those who die in faith. And then He said there would be some would never die, but would pass from this life directly into the next one. If we didn’t already know about the rapture, we wouldn’t see this, but since we do we can understand that He was talking about that one generation of believers who will be alive when He comes for the Church, and will receive eternal life without dying first. And once again the Lord confirmed that the single qualification for eternal life is to believe that His death paid the entire price for our sins.

What’s To Become Of Israel?

When they finished, James spoke up: “Brothers, listen to me. Simon has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself. The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written: ” ‘After this I will return and rebuild David’s fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it, that the remnant of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things that have been known for ages. (Acts 15:13-18)
It was not quite 20 years after the cross, and the Apostles were meeting together in Jerusalem. None of the New Testament had been written yet. 483 years of Daniel’s 490 year prophecy for Israel (Daniel 9:24-27) had been fulfilled on schedule but with the Messiah’s death everything had come to a stop. Before He died, the Lord had even told them that the Temple would soon be completely destroyed, and after His resurrection He had refused to confirm their hope that the Kingdom would now be restored to Israel. In effect He had said, “That’s not for you to know.” (Acts 1:6) And now Peter, Paul, and Barnabas had given eye witness accounts of the Holy Spirit coming directly upon Gentiles with much prophesying and speaking in tongues. If Gentiles could come straight to the Lord and receive the Holy Spirit without converting to Judaism first, did that mean God was finished with the Jews? If so what would become of Israel and all the Lord’s unfulfilled promises to His people?
James, the Lord’s half brother, helped them understand what was coming. What we now know as the Dispensation of Law had been interrupted while the Lord takes from among the Gentiles a people for Himself (the Church). In Greek the phrase “taking from” literally means to take out of, or carry away from. It denotes an exit, a separation of time, place, and cause.
After He has taken the Church, James said, the Lord will turn His attention once again to Israel. The Temple will be rebuilt and the remaining 7 years of the Dispensation of Law will run their course. This is the time we know as Daniels 70th week. He concluded by saying the Lord has known for ages that He was going to do this.

Paul’s Confirmation

Paul, who was there, explained it to the Church at Rome this way. I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is (or will be) my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” (Romans 11:25-27)
The Greek word translated “full number” was often used in a nautical sense to define the number of sailors, oarsmen, and soldiers required to man a ship. Once a ship had its full number it could set sail for it’s intended destination. When it arrived it was said to have “come in.” I believe Paul’s intention was to say that the Church has a “full number” and once that number is reached it will set sail for its intended destination, heaven. No one on Earth knows this number and that’s why no one will know the day or hour of the rapture in advance.
Some commentators believe the same thought was conveyed in Genesis 7 with the Ark. It had to contain 2 of every kind of animal, 7 of the “clean” animals, Noah, his 3 sons, and their 4 wives. That was its full number. Once they were all aboard, the door was shut and the Ark floated away.
When the Church’s “full number” has “come in” to its heavenly destination God will turn His attention once again to Israel and the final 7 years of Daniel’s 70 weeks prophecy will be fulfilled, culminating in the Lord’s return to establish His Kingdom. This is the Kingdom promised to Israel that Daniel said would never be destroyed, or left to another people, but will endure forever. (Daniel 2:44).

The Rapture Goes Public

They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath. (1 Thes 1:10)
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. (1 Thes. 4:16-17) For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thes. 5:9)
These are the rapture verses, named for the Latin translation of the Greek word harpadzo, which means to be caught up or snatched away in English, and which appears in 1 Thes. 4:17. In part one of this series I showed how closely they resemble Isaiah 26:19-21. I believe Paul was using Isaiah’s words to support his claim that this wasn’t just his idea, but had been announced by the Lord nearly eight hundred years earlier.
With the first letter to the Thessalonians Paul gave the first clear promise of a pre-tribulation Rapture. When He called Jesus the one who will rescue us from the coming wrath in chapter 1, he meant that sometime before the seal judgments of Rev. 6, which signal the beginning of God’s wrath (Rev. 6:16-17) Jesus will separate the Church from the time and place of the End Times Judgments. (Look up the full meaning of the Greek word translated “from” in 1 Thes. 1: 10 to confirm this.) In Chapter 4 he said this separation would happen when the Lord comes to take us to be with Him in Heaven. First, believers who have died will be raised up. Then, we who are still alive will be snatched away with them to meet the Lord in the air. Then in chapter 5 he repeated the reason for our sudden rescue. It was never intended that the Church would suffer through the time of God’s wrath.

Say That Again, Paul

Between the two letters we call 1st and 2nd Thessalonians something happened that would have scared the recipients right out of their socks had they been wearing any. They received a letter that appeared to be from Paul but was in fact a forgery. According to 2 Thes 2:1-2 it said the Day of the Lord had already come. Confused and frightened, they dashed off a hurried request for clarification since this new letter contradicted what Paul had previously taught them.
Here we get an extraordinary insight into their understanding of the sequence of End Times events. Receiving word that the Day of the Lord had come would only have upset them so much if they’d been led to believe that the Rapture of the Church would precede it. Think about it. From any other view, this kind of news would have been scary for sure, but their fear would have been tempered by a certain amount of joyous anticipation. Sure the next few years would really be rough, but whether by martyrdom or survival they would soon be in the presence of the Lord forever.
But from the pre-trib perspective, hearing that the Day of the Lord had come would be horrifying, because it would mean that they had missed the rapture. And that would mean they weren’t saved. No wonder they wrote Paul for clarification!
It’s important to understand that they had asked Paul two questions. The first concerned the Day of the Lord and the second was about our being gathered to Him, the Rapture. Paul answered the 2 questions in that order using verses 3-5 to describe conditions that would bring about the Day of the Lord and verses 6-8 to explain when the rapture would occur in relation to them.
Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? (2 Thes. 2:3-5)
Confirming and amplifying Daniel’s 70 weeks prophecy (Daniel 9:27) and the Lord’s warning from the Olivet Discourse (Matt. 24:15), Paul pegged the beginning of the Great Tribulation to the moment the antichrist stands in the Temple in Jerusalem proclaiming himself to be God.
And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. (2 Thes. 2:6-8)
Before the antichrist can be officially revealed, One who is currently limiting the power of lawlessness has to be taken out of the way. The phrase “out of the way” literally means out of the midst, or from amongst. Some force that restrains the power of evil within certain predetermined limits (for this power is already at work on Earth) has to be removed.
Scholars who read the passage literally identify this force as the Holy Spirit. And since the Holy Spirit is sealed within us, if He’s taken out from amongst the people of Earth, we have to go too. You can’t take the Restrainer without taking the container, as someone has said. This is the Rapture of the Church, and once we’re gone the power of evil will be free from restraint and all Hell will break loose on Earth until the Lord returns at the end of the Great Tribulation to put a stop to it.
Here then is the sequence. Before the Day of the Lord can come, the antichrist has to be revealed, and before he can be revealed the church has to be raptured. So according to Paul the next prophetic event involving believers will be our own disappearance. We’re not finished yet, so be sure to tune in again next time for the exciting conclusion of Rapture References.]]> Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:01:29 -0500 http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Rapture-References-Part-t116971.html Avoiding Sinners http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Avoiding-Sinners-t116962.html
But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. (2Ti 3:1-5)

If we were to avoid all the sorts of people listed in this passage we would have to lock ourselves in our homes and never leave, and then not talk to ourselves.
And as such it would seem that this is not what Paul would want us to do, since that would make it hard to carry out the Great Commission.

So, what do you think Paul is telling us?
]]> Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:16:59 -0500 http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Avoiding-Sinners-t116962.html Left Field http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Left-Field-t116953.html I have noticed that the direction of Eschatology on these forums have taken a very hard turn to the right. If you disagree with their positions, they act like you are a moron or live on Pluto. They reject scripture as out of context and simply conjecture. Only their scriptures speak the truth. I am praying for Worthy Christian Forums, that civility and common sense, along with belief in the true meaning of scripture is taught and defended, not just read and then remaining silent in the face of false and questionable doctrine. There are a lot of new members here and all they are reading about is questionable theology without proper rebuttal, which would have been pounced on in the recent past. But unless the silent ones speak up in defense of those who dare challenge those spreading false doctrine, then only false doctrine will be taught. If that is OK with the majority, so be it. But some will not be quiet, but may be driven off to another forum where common sense prevails.]]> Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:26:35 -0500 http://www.worthychristianforums.com/Left-Field-t116953.html What We See http://www.worthychristianforums.com/-t116952.html

Ge 3:6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.

Eyes see - brain contemplates - heart desires - action follows.

David would have understood the words of Jesus. He would have known that once the visuals leave the brain and takes root in the heart that you’ve already messed up.

Mt 5:28 "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.


That’s how it happened with David when he saw Bathsheba. He succumbed. He saw her, thought on it, dwelled on it, and acted on it. We know the results of that. She got pregnant and he ended up having her husband killed because of it. They married and had the child, but it didn’t end happily ever after. Sin has consequences. God will forgive you if you turn to him and repent of the sin, but you will still have earthly consequences. Depending on the sin involved, you may still get pregnant, you may still go to jail, you may still suffer with AIDS, and you may still lose your family.

Certainly we see things all day long unintentionally. We see disgusting ads and shows on television, magazine covers that call out to us at the grocery store, signs in the storefront windows, billboards, spam in our mailbox, spam on the internet, you name it. It’s there all the time, everyday. And, our children are subjected to it as well. The girls are almost brainwashed into looking “hot,” from a very early age. Adults call it cute, right up until they find out their child is involved in something deadly.

1Jo 2:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--is not of the Father but is of the world.


And I have to tell ya, I’ve no idea how the men do it. How do they make it through a day unscathed? How do they train their eyes to avert, to cast the images away in the fractions of a second that it takes to enter the brain? They can’t. Oh they can avert their eyes, but once they see what they see – it’s there – in the brain. It’s not just the men, either, that have this problem. Women appreciate the opposite sex too.

And just think of the movies out there, with all the worldly delicacies that are made to look quite appealing, just like a nice shiny apple. We’re enticed to buy, to desire, to allow, to overlook – all to fit in with the society that man has devised. And make no mistake family, man has done so in order to market you for money for their pockets.
So, what do we do? How do we exist in this fallen world where we’re assaulted with temptations of the eyes? Well, we could do like Job did.

Job 31:1 ¶ I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a maid? (KJV)
Job 31:1 "I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a girl. (NIV)
Job 31:1 "I have made a covenant with my eyes; How then could I gaze at a virgin? (NASB)


How do we incorporate this covenant into our lives, right here in the real world? How do we train them to look away, to not look down, to stay focused? Well, if we can agree that we are at war with temptation, then we can draw upon a weapon of our own. We can fight fire with a better, hotter fire. We can change gears in our brain, the one that just twisted our thoughts around into something dark, and utilize it to recall scripture. A simple one comes to mind.


Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.


Remember, Jesus quoted scripture when He was tempted. (Matt 4) Each time He answered Satan, He declared, “It is written..”

Another thing we can do is offer a prayer at the moment of temptation. Remember, you belong to Him, and your body is a temple.

1Cr 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


Matthew Henry said something really interesting concerning Job’s “covenant with my eyes.” He said
QUOTE
He made a covenant with his eyes, made this bargain with them, that he would allow them the pleasure of beholding the light of the sun and the glory of God shining in the visible creation, provided they would never fasten upon any object that might occasion any impure imaginations, much less any impure desires, in his mind; and under this penalty, that, if they did, they must smart for it in penitential tears.


Whatever we fix our eyes upon, whether its things of the flesh, money, or material things, will end up in our hearts. Therefore, let us fix our eyes on Jesus. wub.gif



]]> Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:18:54 -0500 http://www.worthychristianforums.com/-t116952.html <![CDATA[".....thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head"]]> http://www.worthychristianforums.com/thou-shalt-heap-coa-t116943.html Rom 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Rom 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Rom 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.


Pro 25:21 If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:
Pro 25:22 For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.

coals of fire strongs.
H1513
גּחלת גּחל
gechel gacheleth
ghe'-khel, gah-kheh'-leth
From an unused root meaning to glow or kindle; an ember: - (burning) coal.


I have heard a few different explanations of "...thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head".Some believe the "coals of fire" is God's fiery vengeance.
Since this passage is about avoiding revenge and showing our enemies love,i believe the "heaping coals " must in some way be of help to them.Maybe by doing good to our enemies these "coals of fire" become a metaphor for pricking their conscience to help them see what is right.This is what i see in practice.


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