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I missed this when it was posted. Interesting article.

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There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a jewsince there was no such people as jews then, Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see his day and he was crucified for saying that and that he lived prior to abaraham .By faith are we saved not by race or DNA,it's in Isaac nor jacob and the word of god makes that clear so why do pople push it aside and worship the Zews. the jews have an atrocious record and stilll do!On the eve of jesus' crucifiction he said they would 'remain desolate', do jesus' words mean nothing! can he be insulted and christians sit by an gloat in confusion and silence! Abraham means 'father of nations'even jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the god of Abraham.



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There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a Jew since there was no such people as Jews then. Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see His day and He was crucified for saying that. Jesus lived prior to Abraham. By faith are we saved not by race or DNA, it's not in Isaac nor Jacob. And the Word of God makes that clear so why do people push it aside and worship the Jews? The Jews have an atrocious record and still do! On the eve of Jesus’ crucifixion He said they would 'remain desolate'. Do Jesus’ words mean nothing? Can Jesus be insulted and Christians sit by and gloat in confusion and silence!? Abraham means ”Father of Nations” even Jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the God of Abraham.



I apologize for editing the post's punctuation, capitalization, spelling etc. but I had to edit the post in order to try to understand what was being said.

With this in mind I have a few questions:

1. When you say there is only one faith... What exactly do you mean please?

2. Who said anything about worshipping the Jews?

3. Why do you seem to really, really dislike the Jews so much?

4. Are you a Muslim?

Please clarify.

God bless,
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Joe, none of those quotes over-turn what jesus said, is god divided against himself? pior to Jesus saying that he pronounced 8 woes upon the jews in matt23, A mere triffle perchance? eight is the number of god.He fulfilled here that part of daniel 9;27 "and for the overspreading of abominations, he shall make it desolate", the anti-christ could not do that, people are confuded about the right prince, jesus' sacrifice stopped(fulfilledthe law) the temple practice, thats what he came to do and is why Abraham rejoiced to see it on mt moriah when he realised why he has a miracle born son isaac and a substitue caught in the thicket. the judgement is on the jews as a people ,we know the wisdom of god was that they be tipped out mong the gentiles to become such since god rejected thyem as his people so he could win them back as individuals through the gospel because the 70m weeks of years were fulfilled opening the way to righteousness snd holiness at last . The jewish extremidst leaders said let his blood be upon our heads and ourchildrens, god decide the childen should make up their owm minds or ar you against that?The reason jewish cultuer is as circled-wagons spiritually is to stop them hearing the shepherds voice. pharoah doesnt want to let them go. Gabril also told daniel the desolation will not end before the 'consumation'and they will reap what they sewed, so get used to it. it's the word of god.

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Joe, A. none of those quotes over-turn what Jesus said, is God divided against Himself? B. Prior to Jesus saying that He pronounced 8 woes upon the Jews in Matt. 23, A mere trifle perchance? Eight is the number of God. He fulfilled here that part of Daniel 9:27 "And for the overspreading of abominations, he shall make it desolate", the anti-Christ could not do that, people are confused about the right Prince, Jesus’ sacrifice stopped(fulfilled the law) the temple practice, that’s what He came to do. This is why Abraham rejoiced to see it on Mt. Mariah when he realized why he has a miracle born son Isaac and a substitute caught in the thicket.

The judgment is on the Jews as a people, we know the wisdom of God was that they be tipped out among the Gentiles to become such C. since God rejected them as His people so He could win them back as individuals through the Gospel because the 70m weeks of years were fulfilled opening the way to righteousness send holiness at last. The D. Jewish extremist leaders said let His blood be upon our heads and our children, God decide the children should make up their own minds or are you against that? E. The reason Jewish culture is as circled-wagons spiritually is to stop them hearing the Shepherds voice. Pharaoh didn’t want to let them go. Gabriel also told Daniel the desolation will not end before the 'consummation' and they will reap what they sewed, F. so get used to it. It’s the Word of God.


Again this is difficult to read so I apologize for editing the post's punctuation, capitalization, spelling etc. to better understand what was being said.

Bader, I'm not sure the tone is appropriate to this response to Joe. And as far as opinions go they're great. God's Word is better. Care to back up your comments with Scripture?

A. Where in the Bible specifically did God say that eight is His number? I thought God's numbers were 1, 3, 7, 12, etc.? Really all numbers belong to God but why the fixation with 8?

B. You seem to be completely dismissing what Joe has shared "none of those quotes over-turn what Jesus said..." Perhaps you didn't understand the spirit of what he was trying to communicate?

C. Has God rejected completely Israel? If so is Israel's rejection final?

D. Were the Jewish leaders who wanted Jesus crucified extremists?

E. Once again insults against the Jewish culture... Why is that?

F. I'm not sure I follow. First what you said "so get used to it. It's the Word of God." seems a bit presumptuous. Actually, this what you've described is your take on the whole situation with Israel. Are you saying Joe doesn't have the Holy Spirit inside him to discern what is truth and what is false? Are you saying we cannot disagree with your version of truth? Perhaps saying instead "This is the way I see it in God's Word" would be received better would you agree?

Curious to your responses.

God bless,
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Original:

There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a jewsince there was no such people as jews then, Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see his day and he was crucified for saying that and that he lived prior to abaraham .By faith are we saved not by race or DNA,it's in Isaac nor jacob and the word of god makes that clear so why do pople push it aside and worship the Zews. the jews have an atrocious record and stilll do!On the eve of jesus' crucifiction he said they would 'remain desolate', do jesus' words mean nothing! can he be insulted and christians sit by an gloat in confusion and silence! Abraham means 'father of nations'even jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the god of Abraham.



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There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a Jew since there was no such people as Jews then. Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see His day and He was crucified for saying that. Jesus lived prior to Abraham. By faith are we saved not by race or DNA, it's in Isaac not Jacob. And the Word of God makes that clear so why do people push it aside and worship the Jews? The Jews have an atrocious record and still do! On the eve of Jesus’ crucifixion He said they would 'remain desolate'. Do Jesus’ words mean nothing? Can Jesus be insulted and Christians sit by and gloat in confusion and silence!? Abraham means ”Father of Nations” even Jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the God of Abraham.


Thanks G.E.for your sharp eye, MY Mistake, I must be more careful. I have changed the 'not' to where is should have been. I will explain a bit more what i am saying.
Abraham was told to prepare Isaacc not Jacob, Jacob was not miracle born as Jesus and Isaac were. We can see now Why God promised Abraham an impossible son, so he could demonstrate the purpose of His own Son's coming (as on Mt Moriah) and what it did to his heart in doing so. The gospel of salvation goes to the individaul not races and tribes as a unit and it is there the jew can find Salvation.
A level playingfield as john the Baptist said jesus would make- lower the hills the valleys so no people can think they are untainted as all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, especially the Judahites and The Axe was laid at the root of their tree now the saviour had come because they has corrupted the word of God and bound their own people with heavy burdons. Jesus said nothing about the roman burdons as that came with the territory of Captivity and he was their way outbut they claimed caesar was thier king.

The Spirit of God fishes them out with the Gentiles, there is No other way, One door ,one shepherd, one sheepfold, and when they come in, then, and only then can all israel be united (as one in His hand), meaning the division into two houses and jelousy over leadership will be healed. It was two by two those saved went into Noah's physical Ark but under the New Covennant we come in one by one into the Ark of the Body of christ.
I have to say that glorifying the jew would make it harder fior them to come in. That certainly won't make them jealous!

Jews and those who support them can publish infomation all they like about their DNA and the like but they never say anything about the tribes they should represent, Scripture remembers them, even Jesus in His revelations to John lists the tribes but the word 'Jew' scripture doesnt recall it at all, what tribe is that? It was introduced for academic reasons ( a judean or Judahite ) in the late18 hundreds and it casuses confusion and is taken advantage of. Jesus warned such would be rife in the later times.

The Wisdom of God comes with the Holy Spirit, so why is there such lack of Wisdom today? Jesus covered that in decribing what happens when the foolish vrgins don't know the difference and find out too late and miss out. We can see here it's the same problem with the Jew and the foolish virgins, those who 'go in' cause judgement on the ones who thought they knew best and get let behind.
God gives His Spirit to all believers, so it's still a level playing field for us, thus we badly need the gifts operating to preserve a plumb-line for the Body. Something inportant has just come to mind and
i had to check my concordance, so I have to add another paragraph as this ties a few things together in all this.

In the later verses of Zechariah12 we red about the indicidaul factor of the power of the gospel, where the 'jews' or rather the hebrew people looked upon jesus whom they pierced and their mouring (ZEchariah12:9-) across the region,( when the Gospel of the kingdom goes out out in the power of the Spirit before the end) the word 'apart' is used several times and i knew what the comordasnce would say and it did that 'apart' meant within the family,(alone, of each alike) here we see the shepherd speaking to all as individuals, families and wives( if plural ) apart, meaning each one hs to surrender to the lord to be saved as we personally know. Verse fourteen says 'all the families that 'remain' the word remain means 'remnant' that enduring factor from the beginnig to the end of the Biblical record. those who come with another gospal are thieves and liers. See why the gospel of the kingdom has to go out-- to clear all the garbage out of the way, because both Covenants have been corrupted. The more gems the Holy Spirit gives you it gets eassier to find others and often simple little words like 'apart' will come to mind, which we would tend to run right past otherwise. ( them that hath, shall get, them that hath not shall not get), yet we can buy without money, yes?

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I went back and re read this article and I missed something the first time around that is important.

The researchers found no evidence for a theory that Ashkenazi Jews are descendents of Khazars,



There are a lot of people who don't believe that the people in Israel today are actually descendants of Abraham (genetic Jews).

Abraham was Syrian,so genetically they have to be Syrian but this still a matter of academic reason not faith . It's about faith that it is all based on not race , the 'door' in the gospel is not a DNA door. Of the two million that were called out of Egypt, two and only two entered the promised land and that was beased on the issue of faith not that they were not genetically qualified because those who went down into the earth when it opened up etc were geneticcally on the face of it qualified. believe God Brother as abraham did.
All the descendants of ishmael are descended from Abraham as well as all those arab tribes that came out of his wife keturah. There are list of nations the tribes of israel were scatered into, I think its in Isaiah, and they are all muslim today and since there will be a highway from the area that is now northern iraq, and out of egypt to Jerusalem to celebrate and worship the king of kings, i wouldn't be presunptious about who makes it home in time and who is left out, those multi milliion will be a much greater return and they will woship the lord not stick ithe allah,andnot still reject the Son of god. The demand of god is we worship himonly not any land. We are to return to him and only in him are we going share eternity, Jesus seated at God' right hand put us right there, not a free trip to the holy land. We dont become born again Christians by flying into israel on a pilgrimage. All this shouldn't have to be said, the gopsel of salvationn is two thousand years old!
But the good new is 'today' is still the day of 'salvation'. In the N.T. we are admonidhed to not waste time on endless geneoligies.
I suspect when the gopel of the kingdom of god goes out to all the world it will seprarate the sheep from the goats and the threat of all opposition like the growing power of islam will just evapourate like smoke in the fresh air.
Islam may simply collapse when the descendants of isarel all come out and if the jew is still in his filthy rags we can then appreciate why there wil be, not might be, weeping and hashing of teeth. The 'researchers won't find anything to get them home on because it's all in the word of God but the day of salvation has not yet closed.

Jacob learnt this lesson the hard way that it is not by genetics.
He wrestled all night because he misunderstood the word of godand the nature of God. he was looking for protection from Esau, he got nowhere because he approached god as Abrahams's grandson and heir and expected God to know him ( unfortunately he did know him and his trick that got the birthright, God let him get away with it at that time becuse he knew his sin would catch up with him, and that night he killed two birds with one stone). God does not compromise and He is the same today as yesterday. There will be no switching of scriptures.

The lesson jacob learnt ,to cut the story short, is that God has no grandchildren we are either sons and daughters direct by faith or we are not. Jaob limped for the rest of his life to remind him God is a holy God.( the reason the angel smote him in the thigh was because the thigh symbolises the procreational power of man, ie genetics)

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The City Of The KING

The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. Joel 3:16

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There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a jew since there was no such people as jews then, Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see his day and he was crucified for saying that and that he lived prior to abaraham .By faith are we saved not by race or DNA, it's in Isaac nor jacob and the word of god makes that clear so why do pople push it aside and worship the Zews. the jews have an atrocious record and stilll do! On the eve of jesus' crucifiction he said they would 'remain desolate', do jesus' words mean nothing! can he be insulted and christians sit by an gloat in confusion and silence! Abraham means 'father of nations 'even jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the god of Abraham.


The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. Acts 3:13

Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. Luke 23:34

The Words Of Jesus

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Romans 11:26-29

Mean Life Itself

For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? Romans 11:15

You See?

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Wherefore comfort one another with these words
. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18

Hum....

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Zechariah 12:10


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Joe, none of those quotes over-turn what jesus said, is god divided against himself? pior to Jesus saying that he pronounced 8 woes upon the jews in matt23, A mere triffle perchance? eight is the number of god.He fulfilled here that part of daniel 9;27 "and for the overspreading of abominations, he shall make it desolate", the anti-christ could not do that, people are confuded about the right prince, jesus' sacrifice stopped(fulfilledthe law) the temple practice, thats what he came to do and is why Abraham rejoiced to see it on mt moriah when he realised why he has a miracle born son isaac and a substitue caught in the thicket. the judgement is on the jews as a people ,we know the wisdom of god was that they be tipped out mong the gentiles to become such since god rejected thyem as his people so he could win them back as individuals through the gospel because the 70m weeks of years were fulfilled opening the way to righteousness snd holiness at last . The jewish extremidst leaders said let his blood be upon our heads and ourchildrens, god decide the childen should make up their owm minds or ar you against that?The reason jewish cultuer is as circled-wagons spiritually is to stop them hearing the shepherds voice. pharoah doesnt want to let them go. Gabril also told daniel the desolation will not end before the 'consumation'and they will reap what they sewed, so get used to it. it's the word of god.

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Joe, A. none of those quotes over-turn what Jesus said, is God divided against Himself? B. Prior to Jesus saying that He pronounced 8 woes upon the Jews in Matt. 23, A mere trifle perchance? Eight is the number of God. He fulfilled here that part of Daniel 9:27 "And for the overspreading of abominations, he shall make it desolate", the anti-Christ could not do that, people are confused about the right Prince, Jesus’ sacrifice stopped(fulfilled the law) the temple practice, that’s what He came to do. This is why Abraham rejoiced to see it on Mt. Mariah when he realized why he has a miracle born son Isaac and a substitute caught in the thicket.

The judgment is on the Jews as a people, we know the wisdom of God was that they be tipped out among the Gentiles to become such C. since God rejected them as His people so He could win them back as individuals through the Gospel because the 70m weeks of years were fulfilled opening the way to righteousness send holiness at last. The D. Jewish extremist leaders said let His blood be upon our heads and our children, God decide the children should make up their own minds or are you against that? E. The reason Jewish culture is as circled-wagons spiritually is to stop them hearing the Shepherds voice. Pharaoh didn’t want to let them go. Gabriel also told Daniel the desolation will not end before the 'consummation' and they will reap what they sewed, F. so get used to it. It’s the Word of God.

Wow, God give me some feathers! you make me feel like a plucked chicken. i wouldn't know how half the grogramming works, at leat my words are not upside down(that's the only one left to get wrong). Am I the stubbing toe of the body and you the artistic hand?

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There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a jewsince there was no such people as jews then, Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see his day and he was crucified for saying that and that he lived prior to abaraham .By faith are we saved not by race or DNA,it's in Isaac nor jacob and the word of god makes that clear so why do pople push it aside and worship the Zews. the jews have an atrocious record and stilll do!On the eve of jesus' crucifiction he said they would 'remain desolate', do jesus' words mean nothing! can he be insulted and christians sit by an gloat in confusion and silence! Abraham means 'father of nations'even jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the god of Abraham.



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There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a Jew since there was no such people as Jews then. Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see His day and He was crucified for saying that. Jesus lived prior to Abraham. By faith are we saved not by race or DNA, it's in Isaac not Jacob. And the Word of God makes that clear so why do people push it aside and worship the Jews? The Jews have an atrocious record and still do! On the eve of Jesus’ crucifixion He said they would 'remain desolate'. Do Jesus’ words mean nothing? Can Jesus be insulted and Christians sit by and gloat in confusion and silence!? Abraham means ”Father of Nations” even Jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the God of Abraham.


Thanks G.E.for your sharp eye, MY Mistake, I must be more careful. I have changed the 'not' to where is should have been. I will explain a bit more what i am saying.
Abraham was told to prepare Isaacc not Jacob, Jacob was not miracle born as Jesus and Isaac were. We can see now Why God promised Abraham an impossible son, so he could demonstrate the purpose of His own Son's coming (as on Mt Moriah) and what it did to his heart in doing so. The gospel of salvation goes to the individaul not races and tribes as a unit and it is there the jew can find Salvation.
A level playingfield as john the Baptist said jesus would make- lower the hills the valleys so no people can think they are untainted as all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, especially the Judahites and The Axe was laid at the root of their tree now the saviour had come because they has corrupted the word of God and bound their own people with heavy burdons. Jesus said nothing about the roman burdons as that came with the territory of Captivity and he was their way outbut they claimed caesar was thier king.

The Spirit of God fishes them out with the Gentiles, there is No other way, One door ,one shepherd, one sheepfold, and when they come in, then, and only then can all israel be united (as one in His hand), meaning the division into two houses and jelousy over leadership will be healed. It was two by two those saved went into Noah's physical Ark but under the New Covennant we come in one by one into the Ark of the Body of christ.
I have to say that glorifying the jew would make it harder fior them to come in. That certainly won't make them jealous!

Jews and those who support them can publish infomation all they like about their DNA and the like but they never say anything about the tribes they should represent, Scripture remembers them, even Jesus in His revelations to John lists the tribes but the word 'Jew' scripture doesnt recall it at all, what tribe is that? It was introduced for academic reasons ( a judean or Judahite ) in the late18 hundreds and it casuses confusion and is taken advantage of. Jesus warned such would be rife in the later times.

The Wisdom of God comes with the Holy Spirit, so why is there such lack of Wisdom today? Jesus covered that in decribing what happens when the foolish vrgins don't know the difference and find out too late and miss out. We can see here it's the same problem with the Jew and the foolish virgins, those who 'go in' cause judgement on the ones who thought they knew best and get let behind.
God gives His Spirit to all believers, so it's still a level playing field for us, thus we badly need the gifts operating to preserve a plumb-line for the Body. Something inportant has just come to mind and
i had to check my concordance, so I have to add another paragraph as this ties a few things together in all this.

In the later verses of Zechariah12 we red about the indicidaul factor of the power of the gospel, where the 'jews' or rather the hebrew people looked upon jesus whom they pierced and their mouring (ZEchariah12:9-) across the region,( when the Gospel of the kingdom goes out out in the power of the Spirit before the end) the word 'apart' is used several times and i knew what the comordasnce would say and it did that 'apart' meant within the family,(alone, of each alike) here we see the shepherd speaking to all as individuals, families and wives( if plural ) apart, meaning each one hs to surrender to the lord to be saved as we personally know. Verse fourteen says 'all the families that 'remain' the word remain means 'remnant' that enduring factor from the beginnig to the end of the Biblical record. those who come with another gospal are thieves and liers. See why the gospel of the kingdom has to go out-- to clear all the garbage out of the way, because both Covenants have been corrupted. The more gems the Holy Spirit gives you it gets eassier to find others and often simple little words like 'apart' will come to mind, which we would tend to run right past otherwise. ( them that hath, shall get, them that hath not shall not get), yet we can buy without money, yes?



Thanks for the clarification Bader. That is a very interesting perspective. Some of it I agree with and other parts I'm puzzled by. However, the questions of the first section of your posts still need answering. As a Servant (Moderator) I'm requesting for clarification to the questions below. I don't want to misunderstand you here.


I apologize for editing the post's punctuation, capitalization, spelling etc. but I had to edit the post in order to try to understand what was being said.

With this in mind I have a few questions:

1. When you say there is only one faith... What exactly do you mean please?

2. Who said anything about worshipping the Jews?

3. Why do you seem to really, really dislike the Jews so much?

4. Are you a Muslim?

Please clarify.

God bless,
GE



Thanks in advance.

God bless,
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Joe, A. none of those quotes over-turn what Jesus said, is God divided against Himself? B. Prior to Jesus saying that He pronounced 8 woes upon the Jews in Matt. 23, A mere trifle perchance? Eight is the number of God. He fulfilled here that part of Daniel 9:27 "And for the overspreading of abominations, he shall make it desolate", the anti-Christ could not do that, people are confused about the right Prince, Jesus’ sacrifice stopped(fulfilled the law) the temple practice, that’s what He came to do. This is why Abraham rejoiced to see it on Mt. Mariah when he realized why he has a miracle born son Isaac and a substitute caught in the thicket.

The judgment is on the Jews as a people, we know the wisdom of God was that they be tipped out among the Gentiles to become such C. since God rejected them as His people so He could win them back as individuals through the Gospel because the 70m weeks of years were fulfilled opening the way to righteousness send holiness at last. The D. Jewish extremist leaders said let His blood be upon our heads and our children, God decide the children should make up their own minds or are you against that? E. The reason Jewish culture is as circled-wagons spiritually is to stop them hearing the Shepherds voice. Pharaoh didn’t want to let them go. Gabriel also told Daniel the desolation will not end before the 'consummation' and they will reap what they sewed, F. so get used to it. It’s the Word of God.

Wow, God give me some feathers! you make me feel like a plucked chicken. i wouldn't know how half the grogramming works, at leat my words are not upside down(that's the only one left to get wrong). Am I the stubbing toe of the body and you the artistic hand?


I didn't mean to be insensitive. Sorry if it came across that way. Regarding editing the post it really has nothing to do with programming. I just copied and pasted the post into a Word document and used the "spell check" feature. It really has nothing to do with toes or hands but communicating in a way people can understand you. Part of being a Servant (Moderator) is keeping an eye on various threads understand?

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As a Servant (Moderator) I'm requesting clarification to the questions below. I don't want to misunderstand you here.

Again this is difficult to read so I apologize for editing the post's punctuation, capitalization, spelling etc. to better understand what was being said.

Bader, I'm not sure the tone is appropriate to this response to Joe. And as far as opinions go they're great. God's Word is better. Care to back up your comments with Scripture?

A. Where in the Bible specifically did God say that eight is His number? I thought God's numbers were 1, 3, 7, 12, etc.? Really all numbers belong to God but why the fixation with 8?

B. You seem to be completely dismissing what Joe has shared "none of those quotes over-turn what Jesus said..." Perhaps you didn't understand the spirit of what he was trying to communicate?

C. Has God rejected completely Israel? If so is Israel's rejection final?

D. Were the Jewish leaders who wanted Jesus crucified extremists?

E. Once again insults against the Jewish culture... Why is that?

F. I'm not sure I follow. First what you said "so get used to it. It's the Word of God." seems a bit presumptuous. Actually, this what you've described is your take on the whole situation with Israel. Are you saying Joe doesn't have the Holy Spirit inside him to discern what is truth and what is false? Are you saying we cannot disagree with your version of truth? Perhaps saying instead "This is the way I see it in God's Word" would be received better would you agree?

Curious to your responses.

God bless,
GE


Thanks in advance again.

God bless,
GE

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There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a jewsince there was no such people as jews then, Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see his day and he was crucified for saying that and that he lived prior to abaraham .By faith are we saved not by race or DNA,it's in Isaac nor jacob and the word of god makes that clear so why do pople push it aside and worship the Zews. the jews have an atrocious record and stilll do!On the eve of jesus' crucifiction he said they would 'remain desolate', do jesus' words mean nothing! can he be insulted and christians sit by an gloat in confusion and silence! Abraham means 'father of nations'even jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the god of Abraham.



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There is only one faith, Abel and Abraham had it and neither was a Jew since there was no such people as Jews then. Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see His day and He was crucified for saying that. Jesus lived prior to Abraham. By faith are we saved not by race or DNA, it's not in Isaac nor Jacob. And the Word of God makes that clear so why do people push it aside and worship the Jews? The Jews have an atrocious record and still do! On the eve of Jesus’ crucifixion He said they would 'remain desolate'. Do Jesus’ words mean nothing? Can Jesus be insulted and Christians sit by and gloat in confusion and silence!? Abraham means ”Father of Nations” even Jerusalem was intended for all nations to worship the God of Abraham.



I apologize for editing the post's punctuation, capitalization, spelling etc. but I had to edit the post in order to try to understand what was being said.

With this in mind I have a few questions:

1. When you say there is only one faith... What exactly do you mean please?

2. Who said anything about worshipping the Jews?

3. Why do you seem to really, really dislike the Jews so much?

4. Are you a Muslim?

Please clarify.

God bless,
GE

It i me G.E.thant needs to appologise for the state of my posts and i thnk you for clening them up for me. I Had a stroke nearly two months ago an it affected my left hand, i got off lightly and thankthe lord accordingly. I was not agood typist to begin with and now its worse. I usully have several corrections to do on every sentence or part sentence which then make the task quite arguous and tiring after an hour. the post i wrote this morning took me nearlytwo hours, even my correction need correcting, It's endless but i hava been told its good theorpy to restore the brain function and coordination.
yourfirst question: ephesians 4:4 there is one body and one spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling,
v5 One lord.one faith,one baptism,
v6One god and father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (There are many others if we like to think about it and they are not illegal if not listed here)
v7 but unto evryone is given grace ccording to the measure of the gift of christ.
Chapter 4 of genisis explains Abel was familiar with the same 'one faith' in giving the acceptable sacrifice to a God, That is how old it is and Moses is way in the furure I do believe it had some direct relationship to why Cain murdered him and the close of the age. What I will now link it to goes outside your question but it is very relevant on the general subject.
Go to matthew 23, i wont copy it out its too much for me right now. read from verse 31to 36 or even to the end as it coveres things i have referred to in posts, it is in the latter part of the 8 woes Jesus pronounced upon the jews, no escape clause, they are locked in and jesus reads them their pedigree,( is jesus a muslim?) although not the first time. At this point all who read this need to confirm their belief a to wheather Jesus is the word of God or not and to whether or not his words are true , if not go via john chapter 1first. What he says here is like when he said 'let there be light' and there was light. people need to consider this when they are going ignore what he says and try to cover what he says over with other scriptures that suits their wweetheart doctrines. they are displacing the word of God which I believe is a srious matter and dangerous to young beleivers eyes which is why I wont look the other way. if we have no convictions now what will we survive on when the anti-christ comes?
Verses 33 and 35 are the punch lines, no second guessing here.
Note especially that the judgement goes right back to the murder of Abel. Jesus is saying here that the line of Cain is therefore in the line of 'this generation' jews ruling JERUSALEM.I have seen it confirmed by a jewish sourse that Edom is in Jewry and back into jewish history the detials are recorded. Edom is the prime contender for the promise to abraham down through historyand God deals with themat the end. In the days of the leader John hycanus 123AD the Judahites subdued the idumean jews in which the line of cain was in through early marrieges into the canaanites God told them to avoid like the plague. the idumen jew are dscended form Esau who married outside and against the code. UnderJohn they were forced to convert and be circumcised and they inter-married becoming one nationwithe the jews.. Is Jesus wrong? is he anti-jew? I dont understnd how people can have trouble believing what he says even if not understood why. Hycaunus was a pharisee according to The Annuls of The World by bishop Ussher. it was john who destroyed the city of Samaria, was king,high piest and prophet. much of the knowledge of the 'annals' are from Josephus where the source sbout the uniting was taken from and appearently in several Jewish enyclopaedias.
second question: who said anything about worshipping the jews? I did. When people ignore the word of God who is the creator and promote some thing in His words that dont lbelong there they worship(conform) contrary to god's word, wisdom and plan of salvation for man, that becomes their false God, when they put the jews above God the word.it shouldn't be uprising if christians are offended. When they say God brought the jews back, no repentance, after he banished them for their sins and wouldn't repent, that mocks the word and God, they ignare the elephant in the room and push on into deception. The jews allegedly returned to their promised land in 1947, they captured the city in 1967, they dont then justify that it was also when jesus returned which is then required, because they are in deception. Danial says in black and white the city will be under-trodden of the gentiles until jesus returns. That was not in 1967. All fourbeasts are having turns occupying Jerusalem. So according to Daniel the Jews have to be Gentiles, they cant have it both ways. last comment rev19:10 'worhip god for the testimony of jesus is the spirit of prophecy.'
Fourth Question: Why do I seem to dislike the jews so much, easy i love the word of god and immediately I hate deception and abusing gods word. I will say again if people cannot love the truth they cannot love God. They are chosing who they will spend eternity with. I have said nothing anything like what jesus said to their faces and you put this question to me. that's what amazes me christians read their bible for years and dont acknowledge what they read. Are you aware that the jews would like to ban the new testamnt as hate literature, in canada some years ago it was reported they were working to getting the red letter parts banned from the new testament .Also are you aware of the jewish Noahide laws of which there are 7 ( they are on line)have been acknowledged by the Justice departmnt but not passed into law. the 7th law imposses the death penalty for idolatry which includes the worshhip of jesus. If Obama passed this into law who would he be worshipping and he is a jew because his mother is one.
These are beside the point but they show how extensive the issue can get. My concern is the word of God here among believers.
Fouth question:am I a muslim? would I care about the faith of christians if i was? or that jesus and his word is insulted over and over? Or my knowledge could come from the Koran?the veracity of my argument stands and falls on that of the word of God. If I am right about what scripture says and that is for you to judge not me personally. I acn't t judge them personally only their claim to what the word says. but i would warn themand others. If I am right then why am i not in company here. They certainly are. If its not important to others then people will let it drift, I can't.This has taken me about 5 hours, taht's how important it ids to me.

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Not only have you misinterpreted but you've twisted. It takes real talent to get that far from the Truth using the Words of the scriptures. Mazal Tov!


That *^$&^% is antisemitic hatred disguised as pious christianity...and a pack of lies from the pit of hell. I don't want to waste too much time trying to figure out why you'd think this way, but it appears you make a distinction between Judah and Israel. Is that so? Are you part of a 2-house congregation or is it a Replacement Theology church?

I hope you came by it honestly...and are just deceived. If you are here to deceive, then let me say "goodbye and good riddance" in case you aren't here next time I visit.

The creation and ultimate redemption of Israel is central to the Kingdom of God and therefore the gospel as well. It is given to them PRIMARILY and yet equally to the gentiles (Romans 1:16). Apart from that, you have no share in their Covenants, including the newer one. (Ephesians 2 & 3)

Punishment will come to them PRIMARILY and equally to the gentiles for rejecting what has been established in the Word since before Jesus walked on Earth, so why all the animosity towards those whom God used to bring salvation to you? (assuming you might be saved)




So the only question now is whether you are willing to look at what the scriptures actually say and conform to the Truth. If so, the Kingdom can be advanced through correcting what you've been taught.



If not...so long and thanks for all the fish.





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It is me G.E. that needs to apologize for the state of my posts and I thank you for cleaning them up for me. I Had a stroke nearly two months ago an it affected my left hand, i got off lightly and thank the Lord accordingly. I was not a good typist to begin with and now its worse.


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And Was Assured By My Doctor I Would Have Many More Within The Year
This Was Said In Front Of My Wife And Neither One Of Us Believed Him Even For A New Your Second

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Why do I seem to dislike the Jews so much, easy i love the word of god and immediately I hate deception and abusing gods word. I will say again if people cannot love the truth they cannot love God. They are choosing who they will spend eternity with. I have said nothing anything like what Jesus said to their faces and you put this question to me. that's what amazes me Christians read their bible for years and don't acknowledge what they read.


Well Dear Brother

Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. John 10:17-18

Please Allow Me To Pluck That Fowl One Again

Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Matthew 27:25

For I Am A Bible Reading Bible Believing Forgiven Follower
Of The Living Resurrected God Of Abraham, Isaac And Jacob

Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. Luke 23:34

And I Weep And I Pray For The Forgiveness From The Jew For The Centuries Of Murder And Hatred By The Christian
And I Rejoice At The Salvation Of Rachel's Children And At The Love Of Her Returning KING
For His Brothers And Sisters, Israel

Furthermore, it can be said without fear of exaggeration that the devastation imposed and inflicted on the Jewish people by the Church’s anti-Jewish reading of Matthew 27:25 has shed oceans of Jewish blood issuing into a ceaseless stream of misery and desolation that horribly culminated in Hitler’s Holocaust. In light of this it is extremely important that the true meaning of Matthew 27:25 be obtained so that the Chosen People can be free of the false accusation of “Christ killers” that is constantly imputed to them, resulting in the inevitable persecution and murder of the Jews that follow.

The true meaning of Matthew 27:25, like any other Bible verse, is found within the context in which it is written. When looking at the context of Matthew’s Gospel (specifically, chapters 26 and 27) it is quite obvious that the entire Jewish race was not totally responsible for having Jesus crucified. Matthew 26 and 27 informs the reader that one individual and three distinct groups were responsible for the death of Jesus Christ. They are (1) Judas Iscariot, the disciple who betrayed Jesus into the hands of the Jewish authorities (Matt. 26:14–16; 47–50); (2) the Jewish leaders. This group was made up of Caiphas the High Priest, the chief priests, the elders, and the scribes. They united to form the Sanhedrin of Jerusalem which tried Jesus on the charge of blasphemy (Matt. 26:47, 57–67; 27:1–2, 5, 18, 25); (3) the Romans, comprised of the Procurator Pontius Pilate who handed Jesus over to be crucified and the Roman soldiers who actually nailed Jesus to the cross (Matt. 27:11–37); (4) the Jewish mob of Jerusalem. Though their role in Matthew 27 seems passive and subordinated under the control and influence of the chief priests and elders, their guilt in the death of Christ cannot be overlooked. They had the opportunity afforded them by Pilate to have Jesus released, but they chose instead a criminal named Barabbas (Matt 27:17, 20–26).

From the context of Matthew 26–27 Jewish guilt for the death of Jesus applies only to Judas, the religious leaders of Jerusalem, and the mob of Jerusalem before the judgment seat of Pilate. It was the unbelieving Jews of Jerusalem and Israel, not all Jews in general, whom Matthew and the New Testament indict for their failure to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and their complicity in His death. http://www.levitt.co...says/bloodlibel



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Sorry Joe but you will have to specify what it is you want if you wnt me to be to able give you more, The more frank I am the more kitchen sinks will get thrown at me, if I guess we are going to go aroundthe block again if i get it wong.
Thsnks for any prayers re my health,
regards your quotes in blue these do not delete the record of the 8 woes pronounced by the son of man or jesus' prophecy that they would remain in desolation. which could not have happened outside doing his Fathers will and works. I shouldn;'t have to rmind Christians of this.
I have already clarified it is when people wont face the scriptures I quote and throw altenative ones to counter them i wont look the other way, mainly because it denies the works of christ and 'the burdon of the word', that his ministery was borne on.
Matthew 27:26 says clearly all the people answered and claimed a curses apon themsleves, the majority voted by bribe for barabas, a man who lived by violence an they took violence for peace God offered them. I didn't write their furure.I have pointed out in one of my posts that those innocnt jews had the gospel chance of escaping the curse and the 8 woes, and that it was God's wisdom but it looks like no one agrees with my intimation about the character of God.
Luke 23:24 the context celarly shows Jesus prayed the Romans be not punished since it was them that cast lots, not the jews and the jews forecd it upon pilate who hoped the people would call for his release.
The rest in the quote of blue text since it has so much piled up I wont even begin to answer, your questions took me 5 hours and you know from what i post it s big task for me and now you dump a neep of passion upon me to reinforce issues not out of my post but the collectiion past anger and blam that belongs to the church of rome; as there is too many scriptures and isuues, its unacceptable, I may make answer of some kind to the poster later.




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