Quote: from HAZARD on 4:13 pm on Feb. 19, 2002
Other prophetical students find the United States in the beast of Rev. 13:11-18, but this refers to a man and not a country as is clear from the language of the passage and because he is called the "false prophet" who will be destroyed with the antichrist at the second comming of Christ (Rev.16:13-16; 19:20; 20:10). The first beast of Rev. 13 is a "man" according to verse 18 and in verse 11 the second beast is called "another," which, in the Greek, means another of the same kind. If the first is a man the second beast must also be symbolic of a man. The language of the passages concerning the two beasts proves thatindividuals are refered to in Rev.13. Still others say the United States is refered to in "the islands" mentioned in scripture, but this cannot be proved. This is mere human theory, so we must conclude that there is no direct reference to the United States in prophecy. † †Praise God forever more! †Hazard.
First off, did you even bother to read my posts? I placed a good amount of†information there for discussion, but it seems you simply have a refutation to a theory, but not necessarily to my posts.
Nevertheless, in my opinion, the best way to seek †understand the meaning of this prophetic symbol the "Beast," †it is impossible to find a higher authority than God's own Scriptures, which being birth by the Holy Ghost's inspiration are therefore his own interpreter. Hence, what is meant to be understood by the term "Beast" in one prophetic vision is most likely the desired understanding being represented by the term when used in a similar manner in other passages of Scriptures.
By the angel's interpretation of Daniel's vision of the four beasts a clear understanding is produced. Having been desirous to "know the truth of the fourth beast which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, and of the ten horns that were on his head," the angel interprets the vision for Daniel. †"The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise." The angel plainly declares that the four beasts are four civil kingdoms and hence the term "Beast" is used as a apocalyptic symbol for an earthly civil kingdom.
Daniel 7:15 - I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
In these verses we see the angel referring to kingdoms and kings. They are here used synonymously. But we are told in vrs 24 one will be diverse from the others before it, perhaps because of it's form of government. To me it is very possible that this too may be applied to America, since we came out of Europe, and gained freedom and independence, but not without wars with England, Spain and France, but that's not my main point.
My main point is that you cannot absolutely say, "The language of the passages concerning the two beasts proves that individuals are referred to. . ."
In Dan. the individual kings and their kingdoms are synonymous. One could not say it is not an individual nor it is not a kingdom, for both are correct.
"And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority." Rev 13:2
† And the beast . . . was like unto . . . a consolidate beast which united the the beasts seen by Daniel in his vision (Da 7:1-7). These †animals, †all cruel and terrible beasts of prey, are †a terror to man. Because it was "the dragon" which "gave him his power." That is, this beast was called forth to do the dragon's work, and acts by the dragon's authority.
2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
The reason it is presented as a consolidated beast, is because it is the "eight beast" as clarified in Rev 17:11, "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."
The second beast you mention HAZARD in Rev. 13:11-18, "exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him." To me, that sounds like the leader, or in our case (if the first beast is our country), then this would be the office of the President.
It states "he had two horns like a lamb," which to me means he appears to be for peace, but "he spake as a dragon," meaning his agenda is not peace, but power.
I can and will reason this much more if you, or any, wish†to continue.