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Ok I flat out dont buy into 2012 destruction/ big changes theories. I see them as just more lies of the enemy to distract, but other one posted about 2012 in another thread and Im curious what he thinks will happen. Since I didnt get an answer there and a servant asked that it be another topic ....


Ok so other one whats supposed to happen in 2012?



Eh, the Mayans sacrificed their children or "chosen ones" to a false god. I really don't put too much stalk with their calendar ending. If anything happens it will happen as a cause. Satan likes to confuse us.

As any Sport, Keep Your eye on the ball.

In the true case, Israel is the Ball and Our Messiah is about to be revealed in His home run!


I would like to point out that some 400+ years prior to the Jews entering the promise land that the Canaanites were a godly people serving the true God under the leadership of the Melchizedek. But by the time the descendants of Abraham had become a mighty people, the Canaanites were now sacrificing their children to idols . . . same can be said of the Jews through whom the "written" oracles of God have been made available to all men . . . even thought the Jews today don't themselves walk in the spirit of them.

De 9:4 Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.
5 Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
6 Understand therefore, that the LORD thy God giveth thee not this good land to possess it for thy righteousness; for thou art a stiffnecked people.

De 31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.

Jg 2:19 And it came to pass, when the judge was dead, that they returned, and corrupted themselves more than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them, and to bow down unto them; they ceased not from their own doings, nor from their stubborn way.

Eze 23:39 For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into my sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, thus have they done in the midst of mine house.


Much concerning the Mayans are forever lost thanks to Spaniards burning almost all their history. What we know of them is that pertaining to their latter days prior to their extinction, a fate which has been the reward of God on all those who cast His words behind them. To assume that the Mayans have always been child slaughtering heathens is nothing more than what it is, an assumption. I am sure that what was left us from the Mayans came from the roots of their culture as they became a mighty people . . . and not from those who were but the fallen fruit of a dead and decaying civilization steeped in sin and wickedness.

We must be careful both of what we accept and why . . . as well as what we dismiss.

Well I know that I am already dead. So whats the fuss about?

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Ok I flat out dont buy into 2012 destruction/ big changes theories. I see them as just more lies of the enemy to distract, but other one posted about 2012 in another thread and Im curious what he thinks will happen. Since I didnt get an answer there and a servant asked that it be another topic ....


Ok so other one whats supposed to happen in 2012?



Eh, the Mayans sacrificed their children or "chosen ones" to a false god. I really don't put too much stalk with their calendar ending. If anything happens it will happen as a cause. Satan likes to confuse us.

As any Sport, Keep Your eye on the ball.

In the true case, Israel is the Ball and Our Messiah is about to be revealed in His home run!


I would like to point out that some 400+ years prior to the Jews entering the promise land that the Canaanites were a godly people serving the true God under the leadership of the Melchizedek. But by the time the descendants of Abraham had become a mighty people, the Canaanites were now sacrificing their children to idols . . . same can be said of the Jews through whom the "written" oracles of God have been made available to all men . . . even thought the Jews today don't themselves walk in the spirit of them.

De 9:4 Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.
5 Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
6 Understand therefore, that the LORD thy God giveth thee not this good land to possess it for thy righteousness; for thou art a stiffnecked people.

De 31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.

Jg 2:19 And it came to pass, when the judge was dead, that they returned, and corrupted themselves more than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them, and to bow down unto them; they ceased not from their own doings, nor from their stubborn way.

Eze 23:39 For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into my sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, thus have they done in the midst of mine house.


Much concerning the Mayans are forever lost thanks to Spaniards burning almost all their history. What we know of them is that pertaining to their latter days prior to their extinction, a fate which has been the reward of God on all those who cast His words behind them. To assume that the Mayans have always been child slaughtering heathens is nothing more than what it is, an assumption. I am sure that what was left us from the Mayans came from the roots of their culture as they became a mighty people . . . and not from those who were but the fallen fruit of a dead and decaying civilization steeped in sin and wickedness.

We must be careful both of what we accept and why . . . as well as what we dismiss.


Wiki, Child Sacrifice

As far as the Mayans and Aztecs offering children as sacrifices, I remember reading about that growing up through many different sources including national geographic and the discovery channel. They have found skeletal remains that suggest the Mayans did partake in child sacrifices. - and worshiped earthily deities, Idols, which is a given. Mayan Mythology

Now where they once right before God, and then decayed with sin? I do not know. In Either case, Jesus says no man knows the day or the hour, and I do not think their calendar is founded upon God.

Anyways. My main point, sacrifices aside, we need to be ready for our Messiah's coming not the world ending. :)

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After this 2012 garbage passes, I wonder what the new doomsday date will be.


2666 perhaps? :laugh:

Nope. There are 66 books in the bible and 40 authors. 66-40=26. My bible has 1874 pages. 1874-20=1854.

The world ended in 1854, and you are a figment of my imagination :whistling:

See how easy it is? :laugh:



Dude, my hat is off to you - that was hilarious! :laugh:

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After this 2012 garbage passes, I wonder what the new doomsday date will be.


2666 perhaps? :laugh:

Nope. There are 66 books in the bible and 40 authors. 66-40=26. My bible has 1874 pages. 1874-20=1854.

The world ended in 1854, and you are a figment of my imagination :whistling:

See how easy it is? :laugh:



:( awww I've been doomed -146 years now. I thought I had more time. :(

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After this 2012 garbage passes, I wonder what the new doomsday date will be.


2666 perhaps? :laugh:



I'm guessing 2018-19 which is a 70 year generation past the 1948 return of the Jews to Israel. And when that one is over it will be the 70 year generation from the 1967 retaking Jerusalem. Unless there is a 45 year guess at a generation which would put us back to 2012.


The Zohar says that the Messiah will return in the year 5773 which is late 2012-13.

You can find numbers just about everywhere one looks.

there are so many different non scriptural things that point to 2012, that I am starting to think that the Devil has something up his sleeve for that time period. He's certainly been working on it for a really long time...

So if we look for anything at all, I'd say to look for something really deceptive from the Devil to draw people away from Jesus.

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After this 2012 garbage passes, I wonder what the new doomsday date will be.


2666 perhaps? :laugh:



I'm guessing 2018-19 which is a 70 year generation past the 1948 return of the Jews to Israel. And when that one is over it will be the 70 year generation from the 1967 retaking Jerusalem. Unless there is a 45 year guess at a generation which would put us back to 2012.


The Zohar says that the Messiah will return in the year 5773 which is late 2012-13.

You can find numbers just about everywhere one looks.

there are so many different non scriptural things that point to 2012, that I am starting to think that the Devil has something up his sleeve for that time period. He's certainly been working on it for a really long time...

So if we look for anything at all, I'd say to look for something really deceptive from the Devil to draw people away from Jesus.


Thats what I'm thinking.

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The Zohar says that the Messiah will return in the year 5773 which is late 2012-13.



Why in the world would you listen to this guy????



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Oh wait....that's Zohan....



Nevermind... :whistling:

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You are a certifiably nuts
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and thanks for being here and lighting up my nights

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The Zohar says that the Messiah will return in the year 5773 which is late 2012-13.



Why in the world would you listen to this guy????



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Oh wait....that's Zohan....



Nevermind... :whistling:



:laugh:

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The Zohar says that the Messiah will return in the year 5773 which is late 2012-13.



Why in the world would you listen to this guy????



Posted Image




Oh wait....that's Zohan....



Nevermind... :whistling:

:24: :24: :thumbsup: :laugh:

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Ok I flat out dont buy into 2012 destruction/ big changes theories. I see them as just more lies of the enemy to distract, but other one posted about 2012 in another thread and Im curious what he thinks will happen. Since I didnt get an answer there and a servant asked that it be another topic ....


Ok so other one whats supposed to happen in 2012?



Eh, the Mayans sacrificed their children or "chosen ones" to a false god. I really don't put too much stalk with their calendar ending. If anything happens it will happen as a cause. Satan likes to confuse us.

As any Sport, Keep Your eye on the ball.

In the true case, Israel is the Ball and Our Messiah is about to be revealed in His home run!


I would like to point out that some 400+ years prior to the Jews entering the promise land that the Canaanites were a godly people serving the true God under the leadership of the Melchizedek. But by the time the descendants of Abraham had become a mighty people, the Canaanites were now sacrificing their children to idols . . . same can be said of the Jews through whom the "written" oracles of God have been made available to all men . . . even thought the Jews today don't themselves walk in the spirit of them.

De 9:4 Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.
5 Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
6 Understand therefore, that the LORD thy God giveth thee not this good land to possess it for thy righteousness; for thou art a stiffnecked people.

De 31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.

Jg 2:19 And it came to pass, when the judge was dead, that they returned, and corrupted themselves more than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them, and to bow down unto them; they ceased not from their own doings, nor from their stubborn way.

Eze 23:39 For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into my sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, thus have they done in the midst of mine house.


Much concerning the Mayans are forever lost thanks to Spaniards burning almost all their history. What we know of them is that pertaining to their latter days prior to their extinction, a fate which has been the reward of God on all those who cast His words behind them. To assume that the Mayans have always been child slaughtering heathens is nothing more than what it is, an assumption. I am sure that what was left us from the Mayans came from the roots of their culture as they became a mighty people . . . and not from those who were but the fallen fruit of a dead and decaying civilization steeped in sin and wickedness.

We must be careful both of what we accept and why . . . as well as what we dismiss.


They worshipped false gods. That is well known to archaeologists.

They committed many human sacrifices. That too is well known to archaeologists.

There is no way to make their civilization look anything other than what it is: a culture apart from God.

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Ok I flat out dont buy into 2012 destruction/ big changes theories. I see them as just more lies of the enemy to distract, but other one posted about 2012 in another thread and Im curious what he thinks will happen. Since I didnt get an answer there and a servant asked that it be another topic ....


Ok so other one whats supposed to happen in 2012?



Eh, the Mayans sacrificed their children or "chosen ones" to a false god. I really don't put too much stalk with their calendar ending. If anything happens it will happen as a cause. Satan likes to confuse us.

As any Sport, Keep Your eye on the ball.

In the true case, Israel is the Ball and Our Messiah is about to be revealed in His home run!


I would like to point out that some 400+ years prior to the Jews entering the promise land that the Canaanites were a godly people serving the true God under the leadership of the Melchizedek. But by the time the descendants of Abraham had become a mighty people, the Canaanites were now sacrificing their children to idols . . . same can be said of the Jews through whom the "written" oracles of God have been made available to all men . . . even thought the Jews today don't themselves walk in the spirit of them.

De 9:4 Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.
5 Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
6 Understand therefore, that the LORD thy God giveth thee not this good land to possess it for thy righteousness; for thou art a stiffnecked people.

De 31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.

Jg 2:19 And it came to pass, when the judge was dead, that they returned, and corrupted themselves more than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them, and to bow down unto them; they ceased not from their own doings, nor from their stubborn way.

Eze 23:39 For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into my sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, thus have they done in the midst of mine house.


Much concerning the Mayans are forever lost thanks to Spaniards burning almost all their history. What we know of them is that pertaining to their latter days prior to their extinction, a fate which has been the reward of God on all those who cast His words behind them. To assume that the Mayans have always been child slaughtering heathens is nothing more than what it is, an assumption. I am sure that what was left us from the Mayans came from the roots of their culture as they became a mighty people . . . and not from those who were but the fallen fruit of a dead and decaying civilization steeped in sin and wickedness.

We must be careful both of what we accept and why . . . as well as what we dismiss.


They worshipped false gods. That is well known to archaeologists.

They committed many human sacrifices. That too is well known to archaeologists.

There is no way to make their civilization look anything other than what it is: a culture apart from God.


Ok.

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I know some don't like this guy, but I found his Bible study interesting. Just food for thought.


A Chronology Of End Times Events

A Bible Study by Jack Kelley

More and more as we get closer to the end, people want to see a time line of coming events. Questions about the order in which events will take place, the span of time between them and the likelihood of there being enough time for everything to happen in the time we have left are becoming more numerous with each passing week.

As you know the Bible doesn’t provide this level of specificity. But neither are we left to make unfounded predictions. There are a number of clues scattered throughout the New Testament that take much of the guess work out of things. With diligent study, we can put them together and make some pretty reasonable assumptions.

For example Romans 11:25 says Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of Gentiles has come in. I’ve shown several times how the phrases “full number” and “come in” point to the Rapture of the Church. In Paul’s day they were often used in a nautical context. The “full number” was the number of crew members a ship needed before it was authorized to set sail. As soon as the full number of crewmen had been contracted the ship immediately left the harbor to begin its journey.

The phrase “come in” means to arrive at the ship’s scheduled destination. It’s still in use today. People talk about how different life will be for them when their ship “comes in”.

From Romans 11:25 we get the notion that the Church has a full number, too. That’s the number of believers necessary for the rapture. Reaching that number frees us from the constraints of this world and we’ll immediately “come in” to our scheduled destination, Heaven.

Jesus told the disciples He was going to His father’s house to prepare a place for us, and then He’d come back for us to take us there (John 14:2-3). He didn’t say He’d come back here where we are to be with us here, as in the 2nd Coming. He said He’d come back to take us there to be with Him where He is. This has to be a reference to the Rapture. Once He’s done that, Israel’s time of hardening will come to an end and the time of their reconciliation will begin.
Isaiah 17, Psalm 83, And Ezekiel 38-39

Ezekiel said that one outcome of the battle he described in chapters 38-39 is that Israel will be awakened to His presence (Ezekiel 39:22). Since Paul said Israel’s awakening will follow the rapture and Ezekiel said it will be an outcome of his battle, we can assume the rapture will likely precede Ezekiel 38.

None of Israel’s current next door neighbors are mentioned by Ezekiel, even though they’re all antagonists, but the prophecies of Isaiah 17 and Psalm 83 feature them prominently. From this we can conclude these prophecies will be fulfilled ahead of Ezekiel 38 but there’s no way to tell if they will also take place before the rapture.

A set of parallel clues can bring us to the same conclusion about the relationship between Ezekiel 38 and the rapture. In Acts 15:13-18 James said that Israel was being set aside so the Lord could take out of the Gentiles a people for himself, after which David’s fallen Tabernacle would be rebuilt. The phrase “take out” comes from a Greek word that means to take hold of something for the purpose of carrying it away. It refers to the rapture of the Church.

David’s fallen Tabernacle is the Temple which was destroyed in 70 AD and will be restored. But there won’t be any need for a Temple until Israel is back in an Old Covenant relationship with God. And this will only happen after the Battle of Ezekiel 38. Being back in an Old Covenant relationship means Daniel’s 70th Week will have begun (Daniel 9:27). That means the Age of Grace will have come to an end and the Church will be gone.

Based on these verses I believe Jesus said His 2nd Coming would take place about 70 years from the time Israel became a nation again in 1948. (As I demonstrated in “Why The Re-Birth Of Israel Is A Sign Of The End”, it doesn’t make sense to tie Matt. 24:34 to signs that happen just a few years before the 2nd coming.) Adding 70 years to 1948 brings us to the end of 2018. When Daniel’s 70th Week begins, there will only be seven years left until the 2nd coming. That means Daniel’s 70th Week will have to begin 7 years prior to 2018, in 2011.

Other clues indicate the 2nd Coming will likely happen on Rosh Hashanna, also known as the Feast of Trumpets and the Jewish New Year. Because it takes place at the time of the new moon rather than on a full moon, it’s often difficult to determine the exact time of its arrival. For this reason it was sometimes referred to in the past as the feast where no man knows the day or hour. Jesus used a form of this phrase 4 times in the span of 23 verses while referring to the time of the 2nd Coming (Matt. 24:42, 44, 50, Matt 25:13).

Computer projections tell us that in 2018 Rosh Hashanna will occur on Sept. 9-10. But it takes a confirmed visual sighting to make it official and Matt. 24:29 says the moon will not give its light following the end of the Great Tribulation, so no one will know the day or hour of His return until they see Him coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. (Matt. 24:30)

That’s as much of a hint as to timing the Bible gives us. But remember Psalm 83, Isaiah 17 and Ezekiel 38 are all called battles, not wars. If Israel acted without restraint Psalm 83 would likely require only a week or so to fulfill. Isaiah 17 involves only the firing of a missile or the dropping of a bomb. The Rapture of the Church will happen in the twinkling of an eye. God could annihilate the forces of Ezekiel 38 in an afternoon. My point is, this is not too much for Him to accomplish in the time that’s left.

The way the Middle East keeps heating up it’s possible the fulfillment of Psalm 83 and Isaiah 17 could happen very soon. When the Gaza Blockade issue threatened to ignite into a full blown confrontation recently, I thought we were seeing its beginning. But sad to say it’s not if these two prophecies will be fulfilled but when. And from Scripture you can’t tell if they’ll happen before or after the Rapture. They could all happen at once.

But after they do, the Battle of Ezekiel 38 will follow, Israel’s awakening being necessary for Daniel’s 70th Week to begin. This will bring the anti-Christ to the forefront to confirm the treaty that allows for a Temple to be built. In the middle of the 70th Week he’ll claim to be God, kicking off the Great Tribulation, after which the Lord will return to establish His Kingdom.

Over the past few weeks we’ve taken a fresh look at Psalm 83, Isaiah 17, and Ezekiel 38-39. We’ve also shown why the re-birth of Israel has to be the premier sign of the End of the Age. Hopefully, this perspective on how all these prophecies are related will provide the overview we need to understand how very close we are to the End of the Age. Even angels have longed to look into these things (1 Peter 1:12) but you and I are blessed to experience them firsthand.




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