Jump to content

christian forums

Worthy Christian Forums - Christian Forums

Welcome to Worthy Christian Forums
Register now to gain access to all of our features. Once registered and logged in, you will be able to create topics, post replies to existing threads, give reputation to your fellow members, get your own private messenger, post status updates, manage your profile and so much more. If you already have an account, login here - otherwise create an account for free today!
Photo

Is Money evil?


This topic has been archived. This means that you cannot reply to this topic.
218 replies to this topic

#1
Isaiah 6:8

Isaiah 6:8

    Royal Member

  • Members *
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,873 posts
Hello all, I have had the subject of Biblical based finance on my heart to share with the forums. I am going to sum up from Dave Ramsey's "Financial Peace University" which my wife and I have taken. Dave Ramsey is a biblical finance person who's also has born fruit in people coming to Christ through his ministry. Some people disagree with some of his views on money, and part of that is due to the way I have presented his material in the past. I will try to be more accurate on what he teaches.I am going to start with basics that are non-controversial, and on the ones that may be controversial, I will state as such.


Also I might add, that my wife and I would have not made it financially or in our marriage if not for the teaching we revived when we did his full "Financial Peace University" Course as lead by the Lord.
We were on very shaky ground, adding debt way faster then we could ever hope of paying it off, and barely making it by. We had been taught the worlds wisdom on money and finance, and we were following it to destruction. Long story short, my God spoke to my wife and I separately to do this course. We did it, and as we applied what we learned we have gotten out of our serious financial trouble. We had around 40k in debt, and were stuck with two "Payday Loan" places at an annual interest rate of over 360%APR. We were being called by collectors on a daily basis, and could hardly pay rent and put food on the table. We kept getting credit cards just to get things like gas and food. We were in trouble. We took this course, and as we slowly applied what we learned, we started climbing out of the hole. The key phrase here is when we applied what we learned. Many times we stopped doing what we learned and it caused us not make headway or sink a bit more. The more we have applied the more sound footing we have gained. Now have about half of that debt paid off. When I get a job we will have enough income to pay off the rest within this year, and at that time we will be 100% Debt free, and hopefully be able to start gearing up into full time ministry, hopefully as missionaries which is what this debt has kept us from doing.

Okay Part one.

Many people belive that money is evil, and by extension, that if you have money you are also evil. Or on the flip side, I have seen some people, in some Churches teach and believe that you are not blessed if you did not have money! I would hazard to state that non of the above is true! But doesn't the Bible say that money is the root of all evil? No. It does not, lets see what it says...



1 Timothy 6:10
King James Version (KJV)
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

1 Timothy 6:10
New King James Version (NKJV)
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

1 Timothy 6:10
New International Version (NIV)
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

1 Timothy 6:10
Amplified Bible (AMP)
10 For the love of money is a root of all evils; it is through this craving that some have been led astray and have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves through with many [a]acute [mental] pangs.


1 Timothy 6:10
American Standard Version (ASV)
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil: which some reaching after have been led astray from the faith, and have pierced themselves through with many sorrows.


You see its the Love of money, and that is the root of All kinds of evil! You see money is amoral. It has no morals. It is simply an object. Just like a brick is an object. You can take the brick and build something with it. You can take a brick and throw it through a window. The brick does not care, its not alive. It has no morals. You see what a person does with a brick is what is important not the brick itself. So no, having money or not having money does not mean you are a good or bad person.

Dave Ramsey does say this, he noticed that having money only allows you to be more of who you already are. If you a mean evil person, you can do even more mean evil things with money. If your a good giving person, you will simply do more good and giving.

Also, often times God does not bless us with money is because he knows we will hurt yourself with it. If you have 100 dollars and you do not use that wisely, and you hurt yourself, God will not give you 1000 dollars to cause even more hurt. He only gives you what your able to handle.

Case in point, many lotto millionaires, lost it all and wind up far worse off then they were before the money.

Are there pitfalls and dangers for a wealthy person, in the spiritual sense, Yes, but more on that later!

#2
enoob57

enoob57

    Royal Member

  • Soapbox - Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,310 posts
God warns us of the deceitfulness of riches which equates to things of this world... 'Ya can't take it with ya"
So knowing that it is all set aside for fire we probably could invest ourselves into things eternal. True freedom
lies in satisfaction in what ever state we are in here, as living here goes, by the mind set of eternal things that are
committed (by effort and work) to His Glory is kept by Him- by His power and surety... Love Steven

#3
MorningGlory

MorningGlory

    Royal Member

  • Royal Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 32,598 posts
IMO, money is not evil. It's just stuff, after all. The evil is in what some do with money.

#4
Fez

Fez

    Royal Member

  • Servant
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,810 posts
It is the love of money that is wrong.

When it becomes an idol that one worships....

#5
Littlelambseativy

Littlelambseativy

    Royal Member

  • Royal Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,908 posts
The ability to uses money for the betterment of your family is not evil. However, along with the attainment of the wealth comes a responsibility to help those who are in need. To use it selfishly is wrong. To help others to learn of our Lord in lets say the Bible Society, to reach those who have never read the Word of God or to help in a Mission to feed the hungry in near or far places or to help your family should they need it if you are able. I do not say to LEND. That is not good - it leads to frustration and grief. If God blesses you financially then be a blessing to others.

#6
OldShep

OldShep

    Senior Member

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,643 posts

Isaiah 6:8

Posted Today, 01:38 PM Is Money evil? Biblical finance. Part 1 of a series.



Well so far I agree with what you have laid before us. Money is a tool, that is used to compensate a person for their services in various forms, be it as payment for direct work, or the price one pays for a useful object, like a chair. The taxes we pay for the schools to teach our children, or the up keep of the roads.

If money were evil, Jesus would not have had anything to do with it. Yet we read in the Bible that even Jesus, paid taxes.

Mat 17:24 After Jesus and his disciples arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma tax came to Peter and asked, "Doesn't your teacher pay the temple tax?"
Mat 17:25 "Yes, he does," he replied. When Peter came into the house, Jesus was the first to speak. "What do you think, Simon?" he asked. "From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes—from their own sons or from others?"
Mat 17:26 "From others," Peter answered. "Then the sons are exempt," Jesus said to him.
Mat 17:27 "But so that we may not offend them, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours."


Look forward to the rest of the series.

May the Lord Bless you and provide all your NEEDS.

Dennis



#7
Waiting2BwithHim

Waiting2BwithHim

    Advanced Member

  • Advanced Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 404 posts
I agree it's the money as an object that is what I will put as "evil".

There are some people that have money and all they do is flaunt to some that may not.

Then there is the opposite that don't have and when they do will still share.

If I may I would like to use myself as an example..

Believe me I am not even close to having money in the sense that I believe is spoken about in this topic.

As I lived in this home the last 43 years this house needs work.

My 2 oldest brothers have been blessed enough to have nice homes.
My sister inherited my Dad's house in the wrong way and in a very greedy manner.

With the years that have gone by I acquired my Mom's house that i have lived in the whole time and even
after being told I should move because the house needs work...the Lord has humbled me to say to them no..
He blessed me with a roof, food, clothes, money that I need etc etc.. my riches is not here on Earth.
My riches I will await at a later date.

I don't like what the $$$$ has done to my siblings and makes me sad for them because they won't listen.
All I can do is sit by in sadness and let them as adults make their decisions.

If the Lord blesses me with money I do share it.
To this day yes I can admit I may need more money but I will not do the wrong thing to acquire it like
my sister has.


It sort of is amazing to me that I can see the Word of God in action to make what he says nothing but the truth. :thumbsup:

#8
georgedrw81

georgedrw81

    Royal Member

  • Royal Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,359 posts
Isaia6:8 money makes us feel powerful and no need for anyone, even God becomes second. Was doing same thing as you did untill sold everything and spent the money received from those sales, untill there was no trace. God provides for us now with new things and better life, bills are paid and income comes is allways steady. If you have a business then keep from the profits what you need and the rest give it away. Jesus erases all debt and guides you to see the True Light and as a result earthly things become secondary swept away

It is with great joy to hear how God swept away your troubles.
Blessings

#9
ayin jade

ayin jade

    Royal Member

  • Platinum Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 35,037 posts

Money is the root of all evil.



Actually you should double check your scripture. The love of money is the root of all evil. Not money itself. The lust of money.

1 Timothy 6
10 For the love of money is a root of all evils, of which some having lusted after, they were seduced from the faith and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

#10
Isaiah 6:8

Isaiah 6:8

    Royal Member

  • Members *
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,873 posts
Also if you read my op I state most of the same thingss.

#11
Omegaman

Omegaman

    Senior Member

  • Worthy Chat Servant
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,954 posts


Money is the root of all evil.



Actually you should double check your scripture. The love of money is the root of all evil. Not money itself. The lust of money.

1 Timothy 6
10 For the love of money is a root of all evils, of which some having lusted after, they were seduced from the faith and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.


That was already mentioned, but I think that most translations make that out as something to the effect that money is the root of all kinds, manners, sorts of evil. I always took that to mean that there are many many evils, which money is the root of, not that all evil has money as its root, that would be an impossible understanding. Satan rebelled against God, where it the money there! Cain slew Abel, where is the money there, you get the point.

#12
OneLight

OneLight

    Royal Member

  • Servant
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 27,112 posts
From what I have for study tools, this is what the verse says.

ROOT for OF-ALL OF-THE EVILS IS THE FONDness-of-SILVER OF-WHICH ANY cravING WERE-FROM-STRAYED FROM THE BELIEF AND selves ABOUT-PROBE to-PAINS MANY

or in a more modern way

ROOT for OF-ALL the EVILS IS THE fondness-for-money which some cravING were-led-astray FROM THE faith AND themselves try-on-all-sides to-pain much

NJKV

For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

#13
Isaiah 6:8

Isaiah 6:8

    Royal Member

  • Members *
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,873 posts
Schuyler8 is not a person, its a spam bot!

#14
FresnoJoe

FresnoJoe

    Royal Member

  • Worthy Watchman
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 43,891 posts

Schuyler8 is not a person, its a spam bot!

I Just Had His Brother (Spam) For Breakfest... Hum Hum Good :24: :24: :24:

http://www.spam.com/

#15
enoob57

enoob57

    Royal Member

  • Soapbox - Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,310 posts


Schuyler8 is not a person, its a spam bot!

I Just Had His Brother (Spam) For Breakfest... Hum Hum Good :24: :24: :24:

http://www.spam.com/

Joe! Now really you don't want to uncork that one... :laugh:

Posted Image

#16
mom2teenboy

mom2teenboy
  • Members
  • 19 posts
I don't think money is evil, Money is something we need to survive. If we don't have or make enough money then it's very hard to live. I know money isn't everything which I am raising my son to understand but we need to face the facts,, if you don't have money, you don't have food, water, electric and cable.

I think it's the people that make money evil


Sara

#17
enoob57

enoob57

    Royal Member

  • Soapbox - Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,310 posts

I don't think money is evil, Money is something we need to survive. If we don't have or make enough money then it's very hard to live. I know money isn't everything which I am raising my son to understand but we need to face the facts,, if you don't have money, you don't have food, water, electric and cable.

I think it's the people that make money evil


Sara

This is an interesting notion! 2 questions:

1. Isa 55:2 Why do you spend money for what is not bread, and your wages
for what does not satisfy? Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good,
and let your soul delight itself in abundance.
NKJV
Needs and wants should be separated from one another... Life consist of where He is
and so the understanding of the value in the need...

2. In what equitable form do we understand value where there is no money?
Isa 55:1
"Ho! Everyone who thirsts, Come to the waters; and you who have no money,
Come, buy and eat. Yes, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
NKJV
Is it not in Christ and the new mind given to us the children of His Word...

After you have pondered these two questions... then the understanding of this: what you set aside to be burned
is there anything of value there?
2 Peter 3:10-13
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
NKJV
Love, Steven

#18
Big_Al

Big_Al
  • Newbie
  • 1 posts

The ability to uses money for the betterment of your family is not evil. However, along with the attainment of the wealth comes a responsibility to help those who are in need. To use it selfishly is wrong. To help others to learn of our Lord in lets say the Bible Society, to reach those who have never read the Word of God or to help in a Mission to feed the hungry in near or far places or to help your family should they need it if you are able. I do not say to LEND. That is not good - it leads to frustration and grief. If God blesses you financially then be a blessing to others.


Was interested in this post because of the word 'LEND' and the fact that you say it is not good. I was considering lending my son money to help with buying his first home - the reason being that I didn't want him throwing away money on interest payments - but also teaching him responsibility about money management - i.e. that he needs to set aside part of his salary and be responsible rather than having money 'drop out of the sky'. I'm not disagreeing with you at all but I just wondered if you think there is anything wrong with my approach in treating it as a loan rather than a gift - he will eventually inherit whatever I leave and I have no plans on spending any payments that he makes - rather I would invest them for him so that he eventually benefits from them - as I said not disagreeing - just wanted your opinion.

#19
OldShep

OldShep

    Senior Member

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,643 posts


The ability to uses money for the betterment of your family is not evil. However, along with the attainment of the wealth comes a responsibility to help those who are in need. To use it selfishly is wrong. To help others to learn of our Lord in lets say the Bible Society, to reach those who have never read the Word of God or to help in a Mission to feed the hungry in near or far places or to help your family should they need it if you are able. I do not say to LEND. That is not good - it leads to frustration and grief. If God blesses you financially then be a blessing to others.


Was interested in this post because of the word 'LEND' and the fact that you say it is not good. I was considering lending my son money to help with buying his first home - the reason being that I didn't want him throwing away money on interest payments - but also teaching him responsibility about money management - i.e. that he needs to set aside part of his salary and be responsible rather than having money 'drop out of the sky'. I'm not disagreeing with you at all but I just wondered if you think there is anything wrong with my approach in treating it as a loan rather than a gift - he will eventually inherit whatever I leave and I have no plans on spending any payments that he makes - rather I would invest them for him so that he eventually benefits from them - as I said not disagreeing - just wanted your opinion.


First things first: Welcome to the forum Big-Al.

I know that you have asked this question to the other poster, however, my parents had a fair amount of cash on hand and where people that helped others. I was raised with the idea that I should never borrow anything unless I was prepared to buy it. The leading on money by my parents got paid back with interest. I however, never had to borrow money from my parents, yet, I knew I could if I needed to. I do not think you are wrong, however, with-in my own family I watched money turn some, into people I did not know. Money is not evil, the Love of money is.

#20
FresnoJoe

FresnoJoe

    Royal Member

  • Worthy Watchman
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 43,891 posts


The ability to uses money for the betterment of your family is not evil. However, along with the attainment of the wealth comes a responsibility to help those who are in need. To use it selfishly is wrong. To help others to learn of our Lord in lets say the Bible Society, to reach those who have never read the Word of God or to help in a Mission to feed the hungry in near or far places or to help your family should they need it if you are able. I do not say to LEND. That is not good - it leads to frustration and grief. If God blesses you financially then be a blessing to others.

Was interested in this post because of the word 'LEND' and the fact that you say it is not good. I was considering lending my son money to help with buying his first home - the reason being that I didn't want him throwing away money on interest payments - but also teaching him responsibility about money management - i.e. that he needs to set aside part of his salary and be responsible rather than having money 'drop out of the sky'. I'm not disagreeing with you at all but I just wondered if you think there is anything wrong with my approach in treating it as a loan rather than a gift - he will eventually inherit whatever I leave and I have no plans on spending any payments that he makes - rather I would invest them for him so that he eventually benefits from them - as I said not disagreeing - just wanted your opinion.

:thumbsup:

Welcome~!

Might Be Mighty Good Family Business

Might Not

____________
_________
______
___

What Does This Mean?

But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. 1 Timothy 5:8

Or This?

Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged.
Colossians 3:21

Or This?

Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6
____________
_________
______
___

Is The Time For Training Long Past? Is This The Time For Blessing? Does You Son Need To Build A Credit Rating?

How Does Mother Feel About Loans Versus Gifts And Does She Swing A Mean Frying Pan?

PS: My Wife Totally Agrees With You So That Puts You Ten Points Ahead Even Before You Cut The Check :24: :24: :24:

Her Mother Loaned Money To Us And Now We Loan No Interest Money To Her Grandson

And Yes, Worthy Is A Family Site With Family Input Likely At Any Time

From Any Spouse Who Shows Interest
____________
_________
______
___

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

Love, Your Brother Joe





Worthy Christian Forums - Christian Message Boards - 1999-2014 part of the Worthy Network