Also, just some friendly advice: careful study would seem to indicate that Paul changed the original gospel of Jesus in a way that Jesus would never have approved of. The point is that if you can prove that Paul is a heretic (which is not that hard to do), the only first century Christians that will count will be those non-Paulists who still observe the Sabbath day without argument.
I have to say the advice you freely offer here isn't friendly, it's outrageous and careful study demonstrates the opposite to what you suggest....Paul was a man who allowed the Holy Spirit to have complete sway in his life, and implicitly followed the teachings of His Saviour in every respect...to suggest that he changed the Gospel in a way Jesus would not have approved of is ludicrous, and to further suggest that Paul is a heretic is even more so. I don't think you will garner many here that will agree with either your advice or your personal understanding of Scripture....because they will see a different Gospel is being preached. If these observations are correct, then I do not think you will find fellowship here....however I will withhold further comment for the moment in the hope that I might have misunderstood your beliefs and your intentions.
I am a non-believer, whom your rules say is allowed to post in the outer court.
Those who join Worthy who do not claim Christ as Savior will be designated "nonbeliever'. This designation will mean that they will only be able to post in the Outer Court area. They can read every part of the Forums, but their discussions will be limited to one area.
I am not looking for fellowship, but debate.
Acts 11:1-3, 17-18
1 Now the apostles and the brethren who were throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God.
2 And when Peter came up to Jerusalem, those who were circumcised took issue with him,
3 saying, "You went to uncircumcised men and ate with them."
17 "Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God's way?"
18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."
The gospel that YOU converted to says God wants to save everybody regardless of race (John 3:16, i.e., "whosoever").
So I ask, what gospel do you suppose these above-cited apostles and brethren converted to, that they found the salvation of Gentiles to be this completely shocking unanticipated thing, causing them to first get loud with Peter, and then needing to be "quieted down" later?
Because Peter says "God gave to them the same gift as He gave us
", he is admitting that those to whom he is talking have received the gift that comes with believing on Christ, therefore, the "they of the circumcision" who are angry with Peter for associating with Gentiles (i.e., the "us" Peter associates himself with) are not unbelievers, they are Jewish Christians. Hence, it is Jewish Christians
who find the concept of Gentile salvation so unexpected. If the gospel they converted to is the same one you converetd to, and if by having received the gift that comes with believing on Christ, they are true converts, and if they converted under the direct physical supervision of the orignal disciples of Christ, how exactly can their opposition to Gentile salvation be explained?
11:1–2 Peter had himself been convinced of God’s inclusion of the Gen-tiles. Now his fellow Jewish-Christians in Jerusalem needed convincing. The strongest reservations seem to have been entertained by a group of especially conservative Jewish Christians whom Luke called “those of the circumcision” (v. 2, NKJV; “circumcised believers,” NIV).113 These seem to be distinguished from the apostles and wider group of Judean brethren mentioned in v. 1.114 Evidently they represented a strongly Jewish perspective and felt that any Gentile who became a Christian would have to do so by converting to Judaism and undergoing full Jewish proselyte procedure, which included circumcision. Hence they were known as the circumcision group, since they would require it of all Gentile converts.
Polhill, J. B. (2001, c1992). Vol. 26: Acts (electronic ed.). Logos Library System;
The New American Commentary (Page 265). Nashville: Broadman & Holman Publishers.
Edited by unshinbop, 24 October 2011 - 03:02 AM.