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Posted 20 October 2011 - 07:56 PM
Ill get the soapbox set up soon.
Posted 20 October 2011 - 08:58 PM
Now let me define a few terms for the purposes of this discussion
Trinity (from the Columbia Encyclopedia): Trinity [Lat.,=threefoldness], fundamental doctrine in Christianity, by which God is considered as existing in three persons.
Unitarianism (from the Columbia Encyclopedia): Unitarianism, in general, the form of Christianity that denies the doctrine of the Trinity, believing that God exists only in one person.
Now, I would propose that we present evidence and explain thoroughly and logically each point. If my opponent is agreed, I will begin after I have confirmation of her willingness to continue.
Posted 20 October 2011 - 08:59 PM
Posted 20 October 2011 - 09:06 PM
Posted 20 October 2011 - 11:45 PM
I'll look forward to reading everything you two post.
Posted 26 October 2011 - 03:43 PM
God's Triune Nature is Revealed in the Old Testament
Genesis 1:26 Hebrew Study Bible (Apostolic / Interlinear)
וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ וְיִרְדּוּ֩ בִדְגַ֨ת הַיָּ֜ם וּבְעֹ֣וף הַשָּׁמַ֗יִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּבְכָל־ הָאָ֔רֶץ וּבְכָל־ הָרֶ֖מֶשׂ הָֽרֹמֵ֥שׂ עַל־ הָאָֽרֶץ׃
And God said Let us make man in our image after our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Note the use of the word כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ (kidmutenu - our likeness). Note how this is plural, indicating multiple persons within one God.
Probably one of the most blatant confirmations of the Trinity is the use of the word Elohim when used to describe the one true God. In Hebrew the word for god is el and the word for goddess is elah but the word given to the God of the OT is Elohim (literally gods). No verse can better demonstrate this dichotomy between the three and one as Deuteronomy 6:4
שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהוָה אֶחָד.
Hear O Israel The LORD our God is one LORD
Note the use of אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ (Eloheinu - our God based from the root Elohim). Again it is plural. In this verse the true nature of the Trinity is revealed. God is both plural and one. Deuteronomy clearly states that God is One. At the same time, it reveals the plural nature of God by using the word Eloheinu. This is the basis of Trinitarianism - God's oneness and yet his plurality as three persons.
Posted 26 October 2011 - 04:29 PM
John4:24 Jesus said "God is a Spirit and they that worship Him(God) must worship in Spirit and Truth"....John1:1 the Word WAS God....soooo God(Spirit) has Word(thoughts)....Isa44:6,7,8-----says God(Spirit) Loooked around and there was nothing, nobody, no universe, nothing....and God said 'There are NO other Gods(Spirits) but ME.'...God(Spirit) alone with His thoughts of US...Gen1:1 God made the heaven and earth...God(Spirit)....promised thru out OldT He would come to earth to save the world from their sin...they watched for their Massiah(means God With US) to come in Flesh the Savior of the World...in NewT God(Spirit) KEPT His promise..when HE MADE HIS OWN BODY in the womb of Vir Mary by the Holy Ghost(Gods Actions) and God being a Spirit, stepped inside and John1:14 THE WORD BECAME FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US.....same as me and you, He has a NAME--LORD JESUS CHRIST...THE MESSIAH WAS WITH US ON EARTH IN FLESH...Jesus said 'I and My FATHER ARE ONE' John10:30....God the FATHER lead HIS OWN BODY AND GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON for US and our own sin...for US AT CALVERY ....and then God being a Spirit stepped back into HIS OWN BODY THAT HE LAID DOWN FOR US and many saw HIS RESURRECTION and ASSENTION INTO the heavens and God(Spirit) layed His OWN BODY on the Alter of Mercy...now GOD GOD SPIRIT GOD SEES US THRU HIS OWN SHED BLOOD....GOD COMUNING WITH US - WITH US....SINLESS..SIN ERASED LIKE IT NEVER HAPPENED....WASHED IN GODS OWN BLOOD....BORN OF HIS SPIRIT ......thats why the Bible calls US gods(spirits) (little g-little gods)....AMEN GODS CHILDREN.....and when you read Isa44:8 There is the ROCK God builds HIS CHURCH ON....THAT is the Revealation(means something explained so you understand). thats the Revealation Peter had when Jesus asked him............WHO DO YOU SAY I AM ?
So Ann, am I correct in saying that you're an adovcate of Modalism then?
If so, how do you interpret the passage "As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased" (Matt. 3:16-17)?
Or in Philipians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not a thing to be grasped to be equal with God"?
We clearly see a difference in persons here in reference, don't we?