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Evaluation of the Doctrine of Unconditional Eternal Security or OSAS

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"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." Acts 17:11

Here's a subject that has so often been ironed out and argued over. However, I do think the scriptures are not as vague on this as we might think. I'd like to take a overall evaluation of where this theory originated and the fallacy of the reasoning that has been used to support once saved, always saved. As you will come to see, many verses have been taken out of context or used wrongly to try to prop up the Calvinistic theory that it is not possible for a believer to lose his/her salvation. I will occasionally us the abbreviation osas in reference once saved, always saved.

Where did the ‘Once Saved Always Saved’ idea originate?

It is clear from reading the writings of the early church in the first two and one half centuries after Christ that they did not uphold any idea that it was impossible for a christian to lose salvation. In fact, they defined this idea as heresy (read the quotes that are listed lower in this article). It is often said that John Calvin was the father of this belief, but from reading the quotes from the early church it would appear that the idea had already been around prior to Calvin.

Augustine, the bishop of Hippo born in 354AD, was the first major initiator of this persuasion. He was a Roman Catholic, and is responsible for much of what we consider "Catholic" doctrine today. Surprisingly, he can also be credited with being a major player in Protestant thought also. He did not teach eternal security as we know it today, but he was a key figure in setting the groundwork that is the basis in which this doctrine could thrive. Here is a short list, which shows many of the doctrines that he was credited with introducing into the church.

1. Absolute predestination
2. Impossibility of falling away or apostasy. (Eternal Security)
3. Man has no free will.
4. One cannot know if they are saved.
5. God commands impossibilities.
6. The supreme authority of the Roman church.
7. Purgatory.
8. Prayers for the dead.
9. The damnation of unbaptized infants and adults.
10. Sex is sinful because depravity is inherited.

Martin Luther and John Calvin, who are well-known to Protestants today, later adopted some of the doctrines of Augustine as we well know. Calvin’s "Five points of Calvinism" closely resemble the some of the very points that Augustine addressed.

1. Total Depravity
2. Unconditional Election (Salvation is decreed apart from any change in an individual.)
3. Limited Atonement (Jesus "paid" for the "elect" that he desired to save. No one else!)
4. Imputed righteousness (mystical transfer of righteousness in place of our filthy rags)
5. Perseverance of the saints. (Assurance, eternal security)

Other men such as Theodore Beza were influential in taking Calvin’s teaching and developing what we call Calvinism today.

Anyway, I won’t go into further detail on the history, but this will give us a little starting point for the following discussion.


Popular arguments used to support unconditional eternal security

A common substrata that the eternal security theory falls back upon is the use of anthropomorphism, I.E. human images used to describe God’s relationship to us. Images such as Father, Good Shepard, son, Judge, etc,... are anthropomorphism. The fact that God is our Father is sometimes used in a way that goes beyond the plain words of Scripture. For an example, here is an actual quote from an eternal security advocate:

"No matter how much I tell my father that I am not his son, the TRUTH of the matter is that I will ALWAYS be his son, regardless of where I go or what I do, and I can never change his genes within me that bear witness to this. And likewise with God, no matter how much I try to tell him that I am no longer his son, I will ALWAYS be his son and will be unable to remove his spiritual "genes." The Holy Spirit was "intercoursed" into my spirit when I was saved."

The problem with arguments like these, besides that they go against the clear words of Scripture, is that they sometimes prove too much! We were all born children of the devil; according to the above argument, we cannot lose our son-ship because genetics cannot be changed. All this proves is that no one can ever become a child of God! Besides, we are adopted into the family of God aren’t we? There is nothing Biblical about the above quotation, but people buy into these arguments every day. We must be careful not to get carried away in the application of these thoughts. It is of utmost importance that we read and study the word of God and become firmly anchored in Jesus teaching, rather than the teachings of some theologian.

Disproving the pillars of ‘Once Saved Always Saved’

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. John 10:27-29
With a small amount of scholarship, this verse can be cleared up. In the Greek text, the hearing and following are in the present tense. What does this mean? It means that only those who are hearing and following Christ right now are his sheep. Those that are living in a state of continual sin are not his sheep because they are neither hearing nor following Jesus. Who are secure? The sheep. Who cannot be snatched (taken away by force)? The sheep. Who is Jesus giving (present tense) eternal life? Those who are sheep. Who are the sheep? Who shall never perish? Who is Christ giving eternal life? Only those who are hearing and following right now! Whom do Jesus and the Father protect in their hands? Not the one who heard and followed, but only those who actively believe now with an obedient faith. Is this not works? No! It is genuine faith! This is true biblical security.
The term "snatch" means to take by force. This promise guarantees that the devil cannot remove the believer (present tense) from the hand of God. This safety is only from forces outside the believer and God Himself. A backslider removes himself from the promises of safety and security. He is not removed against his own will.
Now, looking at this passage in its plain and obvious meaning, it renders no credence to the theory of unconditional eternal security.

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:35-39
First, these verses do not say, "Who shall separate us from the salvation of God?" Secondly, nowhere in these verses is Paul saying that sin cannot separate the one who rebels against the true and holy God.
To read the doctrine of eternal security into these verses is not warranted, since the conditionality of God's love is asserted throughout the Scriptures as a whole. God has an unconditional love for the lost as we can see in John 3:16. Other passages, such as the account in Mark 10:21,22 of the rich young ruler, who Jesus "beholding him loved him," further show the unconditional love of God, yet the ruler went away lost and grieved.
Why does Jude 21 warn us to "keep yourselves in the love of God" if the possibility of separation from God's love is impossible? In John 14:21 the conditionality of God's love is expressed this way, "He that hath my commandments, and keeps them, is he that loveth me; and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and manifest myself to him." Notice the clear and unambiguous words of Jesus, "He that hath my commandments and keeps them . . . is loved of my Father, and I will love him." Only bias and prejudice could impel one to deny the obvious conclusion that sin and rebellion is not the keeping of Christ's commandments, and that rebellious sinners are not in the love of God. In John 15:10 Jesus makes the same point again by inference, "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."
Who shall separate us? Paul is addressing two elements here, one being "us." It is only those who are "in Christ" that Paul is concerned with here, and not humanity overall. Notice that the designation "who" is not the believer himself, but that influence or circumstance that is outside the believer. The entire listing of Paul is consistent with this context! Death, life, angels, principalities, powers, et cetera, are all elements that do not include the moral choice of the individual who is now a believer. God's love is present in those who are in Christ, regardless if their circumstances in this life seem to give the impression that his love and protection is being withheld from them.

Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ. Philippians 1:6
Paul had his confidence that God would continue his justifying and sanctifying work in them all the way to the end. Yet what was Paul's confidence in? Was it that he believed they were eternally secure and he wanted them to know it? This is what the eternal security proponents want us to believe.
Paul was confident of their perseverance only because they had "fellowship in the gospel from... THE FIRST DAY UNTIL NOW." Paul tells what his confidence is based on, and that is what we should believe. If there was a group of believers who showed nothing but good fruit from the day of their conversion until now, then there would be no other choice but to have confidence in the grace of God for them.
Please take note that the Scriptures never state this kind of confidence for those who are lukewarm or "sinning saints." This promise is only for genuine, obedient believers! Paul himself thought that was "meet" or "just" for him to think this way about them (verse 7). They had given Paul absolutely no reason to doubt that they were genuine Christians!

Who are kept by the power of God through faith . . . I Peter 1:5
Notice the condition to this security. It is through faith. Sin is not faith. It is unbelief, or anti-faith. As long as believers are constantly abiding in the faith, the power of God keeps them. Since they have their faith in Jesus Christ, they have the security that is promised.

For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Romans 11:29
The individual's salvation is not the intent of the context here. It is the love of God for the nation of Israel. If one wishes to argue that "salvation is a gift, and therefore cannot be taken back by God" one would be inclined to agree with that. God does not take salvation away from us. We throw it away! It is our act of unbelief that brings separation and forces us to be broken off from the life of God. Look! In the preceding verses God tells us that many in Israel were "broken off" because of unbelief! We are also warned that we too can also be broken off unless we continue to "stand by faith." (Romans 11:20-21).
Why violate the context of this verse to "prove" eternal security, when we can be faithful to the Word of God and have the truth?

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me, I will in no wise cast out. John 6:37
Who are given to Christ? Those who come by faith. Those that receive the gracious offer of the Father are guaranteed acceptance by Christ. What is promised is nothing more than that anyone who casts his faith upon the Christ will not be turned away! Believers do not have to fear that the availability of salvation is limited in any way.

And this is the Father's will who hath sent me, that all of which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again on the last day. John 6:39
Many confuse God's will with God's decree. It is also God's will that none should perish, and that all would come to repentance (2Peter 3:9). It is the Father's will (desire) that Jesus should not "lose" any, but this is an ideal, and not a proof of the inability of falling away. For in John 17:12 Jesus said, "those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost except the son of perdition," direct proof that in spite of the desire of God that "none shall be lost," there was at least one of the chosen twelve that was! The will of God never violates the free will he has given us to exercise!

In whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Ephesians 1:13-14
The only way that this can be perceived as a proof for eternal security is to have the support of some verse where the doctrine has already been proven. Standing alone as it does, it renders nothing that teachers of carnal security can use. The verse does not say whether believers can break this seal or not, but the whole of Scripture proves that they can. Observe that the Holy Spirit is only a down payment on our inheritance and that we do not possess the fullness of this gift until the Lord returns. The fullness of this promise is only to those who endure to the end. The Scriptures tell us to "Be faithful until death and I will give you a crown of life." (Rev. 3:5,21). The Lord preserves the faithful (Psalms 31:23), not the unfaithful. This is the true perseverance of the Saints!

Verily, verily, I say unto you. He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation: but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24
This is the same perpetuated error that eternal security proponents make in their interpretation of John 10:27-29. The English does not clearly exhibit the present tense of the Greek. The hearing and believing are in the present tense. The condition of having everlasting life is that we are hearing and believing right now! This is not some past act of a moment that secures these promises. It is impossible for one who ceases to continue in the required hearing and believing to have the blessings and promises connected to it.
The substrata: The conclusions derived from the Greek are definite and unavoidable. To salvage this text for their cause, they deviate from the prior condition and argue the word "eternal." They say " If eternal life is "eternal," how can it be lost? The believer hath everlasting life, and that cannot end! If the everlasting life you receive from God ever ceases for any reason, it was not "everlasting."
This assumes that eternal life exists as a possession apart from faith. If someone possessed an eternal pearl of great price, then later they cast the pearl off in favor of something else, that does not make the pearl any less "eternal." It does however cease to be the possession of the one who cast it off. "Eternal life" itself does not lose its quality because of one’s unbelief. However, the possession of this quality of life is no longer owned by the one who no longer meets the Scriptural conditions stated. The fact that they now possess everlasting life is because they are hearing and believing now.
This is not salvation by merit as some will charge, but it is the consistent definition of saving faith throughout the Scriptures. The one who clings to a lifeguard for rescue from drowning does not claim their "clinging," or absence of resistance as the cause of their deliverance. The lifeguard gets the deserved credit, but cannot save the one who fights or refuses his help. It would also be foolish to assume that since one was saved from drowning, that it would be impossible for them to become careless and fall in the water and drown in the future! Such is the logic of eternal security.
They shall not come into condemnation. The same condition applies. If they continue to hear and believe, they have no fear of condemnation. But is passed (perfect tense) from death to life. This is truly the state of the one who presently hears and believes. He was dead, and was made alive, and continues to live today as the perfect tense implies. This is the abiding, continuing, and enduring that the Bible exhorts believers to do. It is important to note that the verse says nothing whatsoever about those who cease hearing and believing. In fact, the Scriptures have no promises of blessings for those who trample under foot the blood of Christ! Based upon the conclusions already given it would be sound advice to follow Paul and Barnabas who are in agreement with our Lord’s statement by "speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God" (Acts 13:43).

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:9
Although this is not used on a regular basis by eternal security proponents, it is included since it is the allegation of some that it posits unconditional eternal security.
The emphasis on this verse is usually given as "God says that if you confess with your mouth, and believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, thou shalt be saved. PERIOD! The argument says that the condition of confession and belief have been met at an altar of prayer, then the promise is sure....thou shalt be saved. The conditions are met and the promise guaranteed. God cannot lie.
There is a lot of merit in these words, but the context of the verse is not talking of final salvation. It is dealing with the reception of salvation now. The context is talking about justification, receiving righteousness by faith. We would associate this with the popular term "getting saved."
Nothing within the context would give us any warrant to force an unconditional eternal security upon "thou shalt be saved." Eternal Security is not even implied in the passage. One can read it into it, but cannot get the doctrine out of it; unless they presuppose that it is there. That would not be sound exegesis. Such loose methods of interpretation would leave the Bible a thing that is subject to personal opinion. This is dangerous; anything.., I mean ANYTHING could be proved with this method!
Some have argued that the Greek word used here is in the aorist tense, that is, an act of the moment. A singular act of belief that brings about salvation. This is true that the moment we believe, God saves us. The context of the passage leaves us there. It is important to know that the Scripture is consistent in the use of the present tense wherever the conditions of final salvation are stated. This passage is no exception since it does not consider anything other than the believers initial passing from death unto life.
The substrata: Although the theological underpinning that I am about to bring forth is not directly related to this verse, but it is commonly used by eternal security proponents when they fail to find Biblical support.
"We must be eternally secure because Jesus paid for our sins past, present, and future." It is an interesting challenge if you ask them to prove this supposition. They are assuming that you will be logically defeated by buying into this reasoning. They can search the Scriptures day and night forever, and they will never find any proof of this statement. In fact, the Scriptures lead us to another conclusion. We are told that if we sin, we have an Advocate with the Father. That is, a Lawyer. Now if all your future violations of the law were already paid for, then you would never need an Advocate. The Judge is already satisfied, and no punishment can be inflicted on the one who's fine is already paid for. The fact that Jesus is the Advocate for the believer (1 Jn. 2:1) is evidence enough that future sin is not automatically covered. We would not need an Advocate if we were already judicially paid for at the cross as the Eternal Security proponent asserts.
The fact that the Bible never states that future sins are forgiven is more than innuendo based upon the idea of a need for an Advocate. Paul makes a direct reference concerning the forgiveness of sins in Romans 3:24, 25. "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God."
John says it is only if we confess our sins that He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins (1 Jn.1:9). No promise of forgiveness can be found in Scripture for those who refuse to repent. To say that all future sins are covered when we first believe is a theological assumption and not a Biblical fact. We have clear and indisputable statements that past sins are covered in the atonement, yet we are at a total loss to find a singular passage that states, or even implies, that all future sins of a believer are already pre-forgiven.
Some people will base their eternal salvation on an unproven assumption that allows them safety in their sin. Anything concerning salvation that cannot be proven from the Scriptures is nothing more than a baseless theory. Theories are alright if they are used to support that which is clearly defined in Scripture. They are dangerous if they are used as a foundation for any doctrine. This past, present, and future theory was developed to support and bolster their theory of final perseverance. Without any Scriptural evidence to support this teaching, their theory of future payment turns out to be faith in a gargantuan assumption! This approach is prime breading ground for doctrinal idols, and not for truth!

And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Ephesians 4:30
In a lot of ways this is the same as Pillar Eight. Much ado is made of the word "sealed" within both of these passages as proof that the carnal "christian" is secure. Also, much emphasis is put upon the statement "unto the day of redemption." Because of the inordinate stress that the advocates of this theory put upon these words, I find it necessary to give more attention to the subject than what has already been given in the original Pillars.
Once again I want to underscore that the word "seal" in itself makes no allusion to a doctrine of unconditional security whatsoever. It does speak of security which cannot be denied, but nowhere does the word itself define the extent of that security. The word "seal" in itself does not give us the mode in which we are sealed, nor does the word itself give any indication whether the seal can be broken or not. Many will charge that this is clarified by the clause "unto the day of redemption." They read "unto," the Greek "eis" as till, or all the way to the day of redemption. They see this as proving that the seal is guaranteed through to the day of His coming. This stems from a misinterpretation of the ambiguous "unto" of the King James version and by not looking at the original Greek. All versions of the Scriptures since the KJV, and the unanimous consensus of the Greek scholarship of our day goes against this interpretation. Most translate this passage as, "for the day of redemption." The idea of the passage is that we were sealed with a view to the day of redemption. The passage does not say that we are guaranteed this sealing all the way to the day of redemption, or are sure of our arrival at this designated end. The possibility of grieving the Holy Spirit, which is the "seal", implies that this passage is meant as a warning and not as a passage of assurance as the Eternal Security proponents demand. This verse admits the possibility of grieving the Holy Spirit, which implies that there is a real danger and that this seal can be broken.]
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Verse 11 is another verse that I have seen used to support the idea, but as you look at the context all support to this idea fades away. When we repented we were sanctified and justified, but it doesn’t say that we are being sanctified and justified. We will continue this sanctification and justification process as we continue to follow Christ, but if we become lukewarm and return to our past life of sin, the phrase in the beginning of verse 9 will again be describing us whether we were born-again at some point or not.
After putting those verses in there rightful perspective, what more support is there to be found for the once-saved-always-saved theory?


Scriptural evidence that eternal security of the believer is not “unconditional”

Matthew 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”
What about those who don't do the will of God?

Matthew 15:1-6 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”


Can we abide somewhere where we have not been? This is referring to a Christian that has been graphed into the vine who, later gave up and fell away. Hell fire is the destiny of this Christian who has not continued to abide in the vine.

Luke 9:62 “And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.”

-self-explanatory verse indeed. Let us not be as Lot's wife, who should have escaped destruction but looked back.

Luke 14:34-35 “Salt is good: but if the salt has lost its savor, wherewith shall it be seasoned? It is it is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
Can we as Christians lose our savor if we don't have any? No. Because the salt has lost its savor it is cast out ...where? Heaven, no!

Acts 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.


Romans 8:13 “For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
It simply says if we live after the flesh we will die; there is no indication given that it is contingent upon whether we were born-again at some point or not.

I Corinthians 3:17 “If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.”

Remember, this first book to the Corinthians is addressed to the church at Corinth and 'all who are sanctified in Christ Jesus.' This couldn't apply to unbelievers, as their bodies do not contain the precious Holy Spirit in their temple.

1 Corinthians 15:1-2 “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.”

Philippians 3:13-14 “Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.”

Paul didn't consider himself to have achieved yet, but he pressed toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God. This doesn't sound like unconditional eternal security.

Col. 1:23 “If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;”

1 Timothy 6:12 “Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.”

2 Timothy 2:12 "If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:"

Hebrews 2:1 “Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.”

Hebrews 3:6 “But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.”

Hebrews 3:12-13 “Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin”


-here we see that not only must we take heed, but that sin, can adversely affect our faith. It is also worthy of note that the phrase "departing from the living God" is used. Just as I Timothy 4 stated, it is possible to depart from Him. He said he would never leave or forsake us, but we are creatures of free will and must make the decision whom we will serve.

Hebrews 10:25-29 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

Hebrews 10:38-39 “Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them which draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.”

2 Peter 1:10-11 “Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.”

2 Peter 2:20 "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning."

1 John 2:3 “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.”

Notice the 'if'

Revelations 2:5 “Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.”

Revelation 3:3-5 "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white: for they are worthy. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels."


What about the individuals in that church who don't overcome?


What did the early church leaders believe about unconditional eternal security?

“Certain ones of those heretics who hold different opinions misuse these passages, they essentially destroy freewill by introducing ruined natures incapable of salvation, by introducing others as being saved in such a way that they cannot be lost.” Origen

“I hold further that those of you who have confessed and known this man as Christ, yet who have gone back for some reason to the legal dispensation and have denied that this man is Christ and have not repented before death, you will by no means be saved.” Justin Martyr

“Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good deeds... and why call ye me Lord, Lord and do not the things that I say? All such passages demonstrate the independent will of man. For it is in mans' power to disobey God and forfeit what is good.” Irenaeus

"Let us then practice righteousness so that we may be saved unto the end." Second Clement


“Since all things are seen and heard by God, let us fear him and forsake those wicked works that proceed from evil desires. By doing that thought his mercy we may be protected from the judgments to come for where can any of us flee from his mighty hand.” Clement of Rome

“We aught indeed to walk so holily and with so entire substantiality of our faith, as to be confident and secure in regard to our own conscience desiring that it may remain in us to the end. Yet we should not presume, for he who presumes, feels less apprehension, he who feels less apprehension takes less precaution, he who takes less precaution runs more risk. Fear is the foundation of salvation. Presumption is an impediment to fear. More useful then is it to apprehend that we may possibly fall, than to presume that we cannot, for apprehension will lead us to fear, fear to caution, and caution to salvation. On the other hand, if we presume, there will be neither fear nor caution to save us.” Tertullian

“God hath foreseen that faith, even after Baptist would be endangered. He saw that most persons would be lost again by soiling the wedding dress, by failing to provide oil for their lamps.” Tertullian


OK, we do not consider these quotes to be inspired by God, but they can surely be used to remove all doubt from our minds on what the apostles believed concerning this issue. These men were writing the things that had been passed on to them from the apostles. Many of the men whose quotes I pasted above had first or secondhand teaching from the apostles. If the apostles believed in unconditional eternal security, why didn’t his close followers? This is reliable proof that the apostles did not believe this theory. Are we than endued with greater Biblical knowledge than the early church fathers? No, but we have too long been deceived through reading the writings of theologians and our Bibles and concordances have become dusty and neglected.


Conclusion

After having ran all over the Bible above the conclusion is quite clear. When I was reading articles about this subject I was sometimes a bit puzzled and headings saying "Once saved always saved is of the devil!" in large bold print. This kind-of turned me off when the article didn't go into great depths of proving that the bold proclamation was true. However, I am likewise disappointed when reading an article or debate that never gives a conclusion of the subject.

Is the once saved, always saved theory correct? Hopefully you have read all of the above article and have come to a conclusion in your own mind before now. I have been convinced through the Bible that the OSAS theory is not supported by the scriptures and was likely theorized by the founders of the idea to give comfort to Christians living carnal, sinful lives. Let me emphasize, the Bible gives NO comfort to such Christians, only to those who come to him by faith. Why has the church for centuries supported this theory? For the exact reason that I stated above; carnal Christians have always looked for ways to claim hope of eternal life without having the vital relationship with Christ. That explains why many today love osas and defend it with much emphazism and get upset at anyone who attempts to disprove the theory.

Does this mean we as Christians must go through life wondering fearfully whether we will make it to heaven or not? No. If we are walking in willing obedience in an ever growing relationship with Christ we can know that if we were to die suddenly we will inherit eternal life. Yet there remains in the back of our minds the fact that we are gullible and and could fall if we allow satan to deceive us with his lies; thus we must never live carelessly, we must strive through the grace of God to overcome sin, we must ever desire to have an unclouded relationship with our Saviour.

Christians' assurance can only be based on a vital, living and trusting faith in the one true God, Jesus Christ. If there is a break in this relationship, there cannot be any hope of assurance. To claim assurance while one does not have a relationship with God is equal to worshiping something other than God, whether it be a doctrine or a piece of wood. Some will claim that fellowship with God can be severed but not the relationship to God. This statement is the same as calling God a liar! For it is written "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (I John 1:7). Notice that cleansing for sin is conditioned upon fellowship with God, and that fellowship is conditioned upon walking in the light. If the blood of Christ is not cleansing us from all sin, it is impossible to be in a relationship with God! Fellowship and relationship are inseparable from the saving work of Christ. Being "out of fellowship with God" is the same as being out of the grace and relationship with God. Our assurance is not in a doctrine but in a vital union with our Savior Jesus Christ. "We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God." Acts 14:15


Thank-you for reading and if you have any corrections or additions please share them below.

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REAL, genuine Salvation - not just a profession - DONE:

Ephesians 2:1-7 NASB And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 1:13-14 NASB In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory.

John 3:3-7 NASB Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." 4 Nicodemus *said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?" 5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 "Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

REAL Salvation is a Work of God that can't be undone. It's like asking what combination of powers can break the Seal of the Holy Spirit on the heart of the TRUE believer.


Philippians 1:2-6 NASB Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 I thank my God in all my remembrance of you, 4 always offering prayer with joy in my every prayer for you all, 5 in view of your participation in the gospel from the first day until now. 6 For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

There's much more and care should be taken to separate Law and works from the Grace of God. No man deserves or can earn Salvation - nor can any man deserve to keep Salvation. Salvation is a GIFT of God with PROMISES from God, and God can't lie or break His Promises.


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Obviously you haven't read the entire article. When a believer falls away it is not at all the Saviours' fault. We are kept by his power as long as we are maintaining a vital relationship with him, but there is no verse in the Bible that indicates that the keeping power continues after we slap God in the face and walk away from him. We had to make the personal choice to receive Christ as our Saviour, likewise it is our responsibility when we give up and go back to a life of sin.

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That was very long. I confess, I did not read it but in bits and pieces. I would have if I were not settled on the issue and searching for truth. I believe, from what I did read, that it is good that you have posted this here for consideration of those who may still be unsure about the topic. I was taught OSAS and trusted my teachers to the point that I dogmatically fought in debate against anyone who tried to say otherwise. Then one day as I was reading my bible, the spirit within began to point out many verses of scripture that spoke to the contrary. I simply don't bother debating the point much but simply instruct those willing to hear. The OSAS crowd must simply ignore or change a vast majority of scriptures to fit their doctrine. According to Galatians 5 this is a work of the flesh and costs the one espousing the doctrine their inheritance in the kingdom of heaven. For many are called but few chosen.

In Jesus Name,

Gary

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"Where did the ‘Once Saved Always Saved’ idea originate?"

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OSAS is the doctrin of devils.

Paul warned us that we can loose our salvation. We can be cast away.

"But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." (1 Cor. 9:27).

When Paul said he was afraid of being "castaway" he literally meant he was afraid of losing his soul in Hell with all other reprobates and rejected men. When he told us what he had to do lest he should lose his soul, he wanted us to know that true security is in bringing the body under subjection as in Romans 8:13; "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." and in living right instead of living in sin every day, as advocted by unconditional securityites (Gal.5:16-24; Romans 8:1-13; 1 Cor. 6:9-11; 2 Cor. 1:17; 7:1; 10:4, 5; Gal. 2:20; 6:14; Phil. 3:7-14; 2 Tim. 4:7, 8; Heb. 12:14). These passages show that Paul not only lived a holy life, he showed the way that we should live. Paul was not an unconditional security man. Paul taught conditional security which is the only true security taught in Scripture.

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Fantastic complete post.

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Can't walk away from salvation.

1 John 2:19 (KJV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

If you could says here you weren't saved in the first place.

Can't have salvation taken from you.

John 10:27-29 (KJV)
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

Can't sin your way out of salvation.

1 Corinthians 5:5 (KJV)
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Reiterating 1 John 2:19 is the OT:

Jeremiah 32:40 (KJV)
40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

I see a whole lot of human arguments in this thread.

I'm just quotin' scriptures.

Whose judgment do you trust?

Man's?

Or Jesus' ?

Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

It appears Jesus is the one whose judgment / opinion matters.


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The sum total of all the laborious voluminous writings and preaching by the early church fathers and want to be scholars since (unless they out right contradicted scripture) is the question are ya really and truly saved to begin with?

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The passage you made reference to in John 10 27:29 begins with two conditions for the sheep...hearing and following the shepherd. In the Greek text, the hearing and following are in the present tense. It means that only those who are hearing and following Christ right now are his sheep. Those that are living in a state of continual sin are not his sheep because they are neither hearing nor following Jesus. Who are secure? The sheep. Who cannot be snatched (taken away by force)? The sheep. Who is Jesus giving (present tense) eternal life? Certainly no man can snatch us from Gods hand, but just as we have made the choice the hear and follow Jesus, so we can likewise chose to stop following and walk away.


I did try to condense the arguments in my article, but it is nessecary to bring to light the misconseptions on many of the scriptures that are used to support the OSAS theory.


I'll have to study 1 Cor. 5:5 yet before I aswer for it...


Warmest reguards,

Wayne


Edited by Way195, 25 September 2012 - 10:36 AM.


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Acts 5 - Ananias and Sapphira

Here are two believers with the Holy Ghost but they lied to it and died by the wrath of God.(life was taken from them)

Are they saved ? No, they were judged that day by God.

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Acts 5 - Ananias and Sapphira

Here are two believers with the Holy Ghost but they lied to it and died by the wrath of God.(life was taken from them)

Are they saved ? No, they were judged that day by God.

First, the Holy Spirit is not an"it". He is a person.

Second, it is an assumption that they no longer were saved. Scripture tells us that they died for what they did. Satan filling their heart in this case does not mean they were not saved, but in great error.

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Acts 5 - Ananias and Sapphira

Here are two believers with the Holy Ghost but they lied to it and died by the wrath of God.(life was taken from them)

Are they saved ? No, they were judged that day by God.

Second, it is an assumption that they no longer were saved. Scripture tells us that they died for what they did. Satan filling their heart in this case does not mean they were not saved, but in great error.

Brother, read the verses below and you will find that your assuption is unscriptural. It is no question that Annanias and Saphira are in hell today. The very Just and Holy nature of God cannot allow sin to enter heaven as is clearly defined in Revelations.

Revelations 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Revelations 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Edited by Way195, 26 September 2012 - 02:55 PM.


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Acts 5 - Ananias and Sapphira

Here are two believers with the Holy Ghost but they lied to it and died by the wrath of God.(life was taken from them)

Are they saved ? No, they were judged that day by God.

Second, it is an assumption that they no longer were saved. Scripture tells us that they died for what they did. Satan filling their heart in this case does not mean they were not saved, but in great error.

Brother, read the verses below and you will find that your assuption is unscriptural. It is no question that Annanias and Saphira are in hell today. The very Just and Holy nature of God cannot allow sin to enter heaven as is clearly defined in Revelations.

Revelations 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Revelations 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

I understand both Acts and Revelation, yet we do not know what happened to them, except that they died. Scripture is silent if they lost their salvation or not. This is the danger of reading into scripture. Is there any other reference in scripture telling us that they lost their salvation? If not, then assuming that they lost their salvation is just that, an assumption.

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True, is doesn't say in exact words that they lost there salvation, but when Revelations says that anything that "maketh a lie" cannot enter heaven doesn't the answer become quite clear? A person who cannot enter heaven lost his salvation and a person who loses his salvation cannot enter heaven; or are you differentiating between losing salvation and being denied access to heaven? It all comes back to the underlying idea in your mind that can't accept the possiblility that a Christian can to lose his/her salvation. If you have read the entire article above and studied your Bible, what scriptures do you yet use to support the theory? I didn't just post this thread to force my idea on others; I want to take an honest look at any scriptures I may have missed that disagree with my article and come to a solid conclusion of the subject.

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I am not going to discuss or debate just to say that I believe that we are eternally secure unconditional.

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True, is doesn't say in exact words that they lost there salvation, but when Revelations says that anything that "maketh a lie" cannot enter heaven doesn't the answer become quite clear? A person who cannot enter heaven lost his salvation and a person who loses his salvation cannot enter heaven; or are you differentiating between losing salvation and being denied access to heaven? It all comes back to the underlying idea in your mind that can't accept the possiblility that a Christian can to lose his/her salvation. If you have read the entire article above and studied your Bible, what scriptures do you yet use to support the theory? I didn't just post this thread to force my idea on others; I want to take an honest look at any scriptures I may have missed that disagree with my article and come to a solid conclusion of the subject.

I am not arguing scripture, just the absent of condemnation in scripture toward this couple. Can you tell me the very last thought that went through the hearts and minds of either of them? Can you prove that it was not repentant in nature? See, neither of us can prove one way or another. All that can be done is to assume. We have been "taught" that they died in their sins and went to hell, but scripture does not state this as fact; therefore, people assume they did, which is not the right way to read scripture.

It is not for me to prove something is not in scripture. It is up to you to prove that it is. I state that there is no place in scripture that tells us they lost their salvation. You state they did, so you should provide evidence that states clearly they did.

By the way, I am not of the school of OSAS. I also am not of the school of following doctrine that is not in scripture.

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Annanias and his wife:

God desires mercy and not sacrifice but sometimes sacrifice is necessary to motivate others unto godliness/obedience. As we read soon after that fear fell upon the whole church from this happening. It is also revealed that since Sodom did not receive a deliverer when God knew full well they would have repented which was revealed by Jesus, it will be more tolerable for them in the day of judgment. Since God does not change, I believe he will be more tolerable toward these two who received no mercy or grace while new converts.

Doctrines such as Eternal Security stir up debates over texts such as Annanias and his wife because of the fear of the consequences that might be true if there is no such thing and one continues on in sin. Many have mistakenly but honestly tried to live the Christian life in their own power and have failed miserably as they are no match for sin who reigns in their carnal flesh. Some end up reaching for the doctrine of Eternal Security because their honest attempts have failed and they know in their hearts that God cannot possibly condemn a person who has honestly tried to do the right thing. Many lack the understanding of the role that the Holy Spirit plays in the Christian walk of faith. The need to ask that God fill us with his spirit that our vessel be overflowing and our burdens eased.

There is much about the preparation necessary for the Holy Spirit to fill the temple with his glory pictured through out scripture, especially in the Old Testament which is able to make one wise unto salvation which is in Christ Jesus. There is also available there understanding as to what leads up to the departure of the Spirit from the temple. One would do well to understand these concepts in light of the doctrine of Eternal Security that is espoused as truth. When Jesus tells a person that he never knew them, he isn't saying that he doesn't know who you are as he knows everyone since he created each of us himself. He is using a different use of the words 'to know'. It is the same reason Paul showed us the mystery of a husband and wife knowing one another but yet he spoke of Christ and the church. It is the same principle. A woman must first be someone a man is willing to join himself unto and then she must submit unto his entrance into her secret place. Have you been known by the Lord through the spirit? Rhetorical question, answer not necessary.

Gary

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True, is doesn't say in exact words that they lost there salvation, but when Revelations says that anything that "maketh a lie" cannot enter heaven doesn't the answer become quite clear? A person who cannot enter heaven lost his salvation and a person who loses his salvation cannot enter heaven; or are you differentiating between losing salvation and being denied access to heaven? It all comes back to the underlying idea in your mind that can't accept the possiblility that a Christian can to lose his/her salvation. If you have read the entire article above and studied your Bible, what scriptures do you yet use to support the theory? I didn't just post this thread to force my idea on others; I want to take an honest look at any scriptures I may have missed that disagree with my article and come to a solid conclusion of the subject.

I am not arguing scripture, just the absent of condemnation in scripture toward this couple. Can you tell me the very last thought that went through the hearts and minds of either of them? Can you prove that it was not repentant in nature? See, neither of us can prove one way or another. All that can be done is to assume. We have been "taught" that they died in their sins and went to hell, but scripture does not state this as fact; therefore, people assume they did, which is not the right way to read scripture.

It is not for me to prove something is not in scripture. It is up to you to prove that it is. I state that there is no place in scripture that tells us they lost their salvation. You state they did, so you should provide evidence that states clearly they did.

By the way, I am not of the school of OSAS. I also am not of the school of following doctrine that is not in scripture.

Yea, I should have mentioned that. We can't know if there was repentance before it was too late or not, but if there was not, there is no question of there eternal destiny.

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1Peter4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:

Ananias and Sapphira were judged that day for sinning in lying to God or to his spirit (Holy Ghost).

They were a part of the church, also knowing about the Holy Ghost and knowing it is wrong to lie.

Here is a thought or question:
When ever God destroys anyone for the wrong they have done by his power is it consider eternal judgment (not saved) ?
examples:
The Flood
Sodom and Gommorah
Jerusalem 70AD
Ananias and Sapphirra

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1Peter4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:

Ananias and Sapphira were judged that day for sinning in lying to God or to his spirit (Holy Ghost).

They were a part of the church, also knowing about the Holy Ghost and knowing it is wrong to lie.

Here is a thought or question:
When ever God destroys anyone for the wrong they have done by his power is it consider eternal judgment (not saved) ?
examples:
The Flood
Sodom and Gommorah
Jerusalem 70AD
Ananias and Sapphirra


Is it considered eternal judgment?

Luk 10:12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.

Jesus spoke of the judgment of Sodom as future though they had already been physically destroyed. One must wonder that if it is eternal judgment, how it can be more tolerable? If that simply means that they will be in a part of the lake of fire that is a few degrees cooler then what advantage is there to that? I contend that to whom much is given much is expected. Sodom was not given a deliverer to bring them unto repentance therefore they will be judged accordingly. I, however, was given the Son of God and the entire bible to guide my daily life. Woe to me if I reject that which God has given me and trod under foot the covenant offered by God.

Gary




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