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Evaluation of the Doctrine of Unconditional Eternal Security or OSAS

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When you witness to people, what truth do you stand on if you refuse to stand on scripture?

 

The truth that I stand on in witnessing to people is the truth that I learned and received from the Lord Jesus Christ in His own way of existence and living. The Lord commanded me to tell the people to come to and call on in Him (God) in order that the people may learn and hear from God himself and know God through Himself being the Lord God of all ages and in that respect, people may not be led astray of the way leading to the kingdom of God and their own salvation.

 

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Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

 

Only Truth

 

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

 

Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

 

Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

 

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 1 John 2:22-26

 

Is Trust In Jesus And Thou Shall Be Saved

 

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

 

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

 

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:11-13

 

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The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36

 

Love, Joe

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When you witness to people, what truth do you stand on if you refuse to stand on scripture?

 

The truth that I stand on in witnessing to people is the truth that I learned and received from the Lord Jesus Christ in His own way of existence and living. The Lord commanded me to tell the people to come to and call on in Him (God) in order that the people may learn and hear from God himself and know God through Himself being the Lord God of all ages and in that respect, people may not be led astray of the way leading to the kingdom of God and their own salvation.

This is interesting. What knowledge of the life of Christ do you have outside of scripture, or other books? In scripture Jesus told us that the Holy Spirit will teach us in all truth, what He has heard HE will teach. The Holy Spirit will not teach anything that goes against scripture since He moved the writers when they penned scripture.

So, since you never mentioned scripture in your reply, let me ask you straight out. Do you read and study the bible with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, or is what you are referring to some sort of special revelation where you don't read scripture, claiming the Holy Spirit, or Jesus, talks to you personally? I honestly cannot tell by your answer.

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When God saves his elect it isn’t just from the punishment of sin it is also from sin itself.

 

Salvation is not of works but works are a result of salvation.

 

 Tit 1:10  For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

11  Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.

12  One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

13  This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

14  Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

 

15  Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

 

16  They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

 

--The above shows the difference between the truly saved and the false professors of faith.--

 

 

Col 3:1  If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

2  Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

 

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

4  When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

5 ¶  Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

 

6  For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

 

7  In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

 

8 ¶  But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

 

9  Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

 

10  And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

 

1Co 6:9  Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10  Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

 

11  And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

-- the above shows  the changed life--

 

Ro 4:6  Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

 

Ro 11:6  And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

 

--the above shows that righteousness comes without works--

 

Ro 9:11  (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

 

1Co 1:26  For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27  But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28  And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29  That no flesh should glory in his presence.

30  But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

31  That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

 

 

--the above shows that you cannot glorify in God’s presence because of your works or for your decision or whatever term you may use--

 

God bless,

Tony

 

 

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Eternal Security or Once Saved Always Saved is Absolutely True. The Holy Bible has many verses or passages that prove this. Here are just a few. There are many more.

 

Jesus Christ who is God said:

 

John 6:47

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

 

If someone has everlasting life, then they could never be damned. If not, they did not have everlasting life but potentially had everlasting life. The verse would say, “might have everlasting life.” Jesus Christ, who is God, would not lie especially with the double verily.

 

Jesus also said:

 

John 3:14-18

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

Verse 15 and 16 say the same thing and by the same logic prove eternal security. Both also emphatically claim, “should not perish” which again proves eternal security. In verse 18, Jesus Christ says that they are not condemned. All again prove eternal security.

 

Jesus Christ also said:

 

John 11:25-26

25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

 

In verse 26, Jesus Christ said that they shall never die. Surely you believe God.

 

Paul, the apostle of the Gentiles, wrote:

 

Ephesians 4:30

And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

 

If your sealed till the day of redemption, you could not be damned.

 

In the following verse, Jesus says He is with the saved and will never leave them. How could they ever go to hell?

 

Hebrews 13:5

Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

 

Jesus Christ the Lord also said:

 

John 10:28-30

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30 I and my Father are one.

 

If someone has “eternal life,” then they could never be damned. If not, they did not have eternal life but potentially had eternal life. Jesus Christ, who is God, would not lie. Again Jesus Christ is emphatic that “they shall never perish.” Obviously no man can pluck them out of Jesus’ hand or His Father’s hand.

 

The apostle John wrote the following. How can you know that you have eternal life if it is only a maybe?

 

1 John 5:13

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

The next passage, written by Paul, the apostle of the Gentiles, says, “are saved,” not might be saved.

 

Ephesians 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

Potentially damned could not be salvation as written by Paul in the following passage.

 

Romans 1:16

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

 

The following words spoken by Jesus Christ again prove once saved always saved.

 

John 5:24

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

 

Before the rapture, for those that are saved by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, there are only 2 possibilities and only one outcome. If they die before the rapture, they get a glorified body and are forever with the Lord. If they are alive at the rapture, they get a glorified body and are forever with the Lord.

 

2 Corinthians 5:8

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

 

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

The above sampling absolutely proves that eternal security (once saved always saved) is absolutely true. They are emphatic and quite clear. Since the Holy Bible has no contradictions, anything that you think shows otherwise is just your mistaken interpretation. Many people assume a passage is talking about salvation/damnation when it is not. This is usually done by taking the verse out of context, assuming meanings of words with false definitions and doctrines, ignoring what salvation really means, or by not rightly dividing the word of truth (see 2 Timothy 2:15) They may be confusing statements made to a different people, for a different time, about a different subject. They may even be using a new Bible version with a corrupt reading.

 

From the above, we are assured by God Almighty the Saviour that if you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, you are saved forever. Those that are saved through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His shed blood have all their sins paid for by that blood. They have all their sins forgiven by faith in His atoning blood. God will not remember their sins. Therefore, no passage of damnation or condemnation applies to those saved by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

Those that have not believed by faith alone are not saved. None of their sins are paid for, forgiven, or forgotten.  Every passage of damnation or condemnation applies to them. Many of these quote the very passages that condemn themselves.

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