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More to the point Dave, we have no way of knowing if you are a prophet yet you have announced that you are a prophet.

I could say the same thing. I could also say that God told me to tell you that you are not a prophet.

See how that works?

This is a forum. I find it less than useful to declare oneself a prophet in a thread about prophecy. Are you not in effect

stating that if you are a prophet then you must be an authority on the subject?

Just wondering................

i have not announced that i am a prophet, that information was revealed when it was asked of me. Are you a prophet? Truthfully, i do not like to reveal such knowledge to this generation, for i already know how this generation will perceive it and will not believe. But when i reveal knowledge that God has told me, and people ask me where did you get that knowledge, i tell them the Truth, that God has told me. When i answer Truthfully, this is when inevitably the topic of me being a prophet, or thinking that i am a prophet comes up.

Of a Truth, i can care less if anyone believes i am a prophet or not, nor am i trying to convince anyone at all that i am one. i merely am responding to questions that are asked of me, which seems to have turned to if there are prophets today or not. i am not called to try to convince anyone that i am a prophet or not, i am called to merely reveal to anyone who will listen, those things which God told me. Not things which i have gained from my own understanding, knowledge, or learning. But those things that He has told me personally,

^i^

From yr post # 50

i have the gift of prophesy. God has told me what is to come, He has revealed to me the Mysteries of the Bible, opened up my understanding of them. One will know they have the gift of prophesy when God reveals to them what is to come.

^i^

That was your first comment in this thread. No one asked you. Unless I missed it...don't think I did, but if I did, I apologize beforehand...

I am a little concerned with the forgetful prophets and those who cannot remember what they said when witnessing.....irregardless of the outcome.

So, prophet, how about the quote? :noidea: Let's talk about that first, if we need to and then deal with the rest, but

I don't see the point in in going further than this if indeed this is yr first post in this thread

Thanks

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warning bells ringing in my heart ... yes I have those warning bell ringing in my heart...

Kind of Christmasy don't ya think :) Love, Steven

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Dave777, it would seem here you did say you were a prophet, and now you say you are not?

"i have family who thinks i am nuts because i claim i have had conversations with God and that i am a prophet of God."

"sevenseas" brings us another post where you said more of the same!

And now here at post you say in part:

Quote Dave777 post #124 "But when people start teaching things like " There are no prophets today! " or saying things like " There is no new knowledge today! " That is when i have to tell them the Truth, There is new knowledge today, God still talks to people today even as He did in the past, He is the same then as He is now. i have new knowledge that God has told me."

Dave777, there are still prophets today , however their is no "new knowledge" revealed to them today as in the past. Everything that is revealed to Prophets of God today, line up with the Word of God. There are things that are deeper as the Body grows in Christ, however, there is ALWAYS WITHOUT EXCEPTION Scripture to follow up with what they have been told.

God's revealing Himself to us is not found beyond the 66 Books that make up the Bible.

True Prophets ALWAYS point to the testimony of Jesus Christ and His Word:

Revelation 1:1-3

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

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Dave777 you mention " the 144,000 are indeed children, because that is what God revealed to me"

Montana Marv is correct with God's Word stating the 144,000 are not children.

God's mentioning that they are not defiled by women and virgins themselves testifies of this.

Children would have no need for knowlege of this as they are "children."

Revelation 14:3-4

And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

And the previous mention of the 144,000 "children" of Israel simply means their tribal genealogy here:

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

The One we should all testify of in the context of God's 66 Books in the Bible:

Jesus, The Word, nothing more, nothing less:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Dave777 I also see you believe in "Lost Books" outside of the Bible from your website.

What they bring us outright heresy like the "Book of Mormon" that you mention.

In the sense of being them being Biblically correct I denounce them all wholeheartedly.

The Truth these "Lost books" seem to bring is nothing more the plagiarizing the Bible in places, only to wrap His Truth around their damnable heresy.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Revelation 22:18-19

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Please Dave777, consider what is being said here by more than a few.

Like enoob57, warning bells ringing about me too! :o

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A small note about the 144,000 Israelites that have not defiled themselves with women and are virgins. This does not have to be literally true. The women who they have not defiled themselves with can be the host of different 'Christian' churches that preach an idol rather than the true Christ and their virginity can be explained by their spiritual purity even as Paul wished to present us as chaste virgins unto Christ. I mention this because I was reading proverbs as I do each morning and all of the texts concerning the strange woman and the simple who were taken and destroyed by her kept bringing to mind all the false churches that I have been two that preach Jesus is Christ but do not actually follow him but instead believe he is simply their savior alone.

The difficult part for me is how to understand when the literal applies versus the spiritual understanding of a text. Revelation, to me, appears to be wrought with spiritual not literal images.

Anyway, back to the gift of prophecy, which I am still seeking to understand better.

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Discernment is an absolute necessity if one wishes to claim that gift, yet, far better to let others acknowledge said gift rather that claim

it and then commence to fail at what you say you have as a gift

Dave777, there are still prophets today , however their is no "new knowledge" revealed to them today as in the past. Everything that is revealed to Prophets of God today, line up with the Word of God. There are things that are deeper as the Body grows in Christ, however, there is ALWAYS WITHOUT EXCEPTION Scripture to follow up with what they have been told.

God's revealing Himself to us is not found beyond the 66 Books that make up the Bible.

True Prophets ALWAYS point to the testimony of Jesus Christ and His Word:

Revelation 1:1-3

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: forthe testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Great points B3L

I would also like to add that an interesting question would be "Well why is that? Why is there nothing new revealed? Why

are not new things revealed?"

I do not know for sure, but I think a good guess would be that less and less attention is being paid to the reality of seducing

spirits who come as teaching spirits and catch some unawares and convince them they are the Holy Spirit when in fact

they are evil.

Jesus warned of this phenomena and we see it already at work in the NT.

As these severe warnings are not paid the attention they deserve, more and more are following after signs and wonders

and doctrines of demons and refuse to heed the warnings ALREADY in scripture, let alone the oddballs who keep insisting

that there are NO NEW revelations.

So what is actually happening? There are literally thousands of new revelations which is, my thought on why we are

told not to add to the words of scripture. We are told NOT to add because most people are not on guard against

the deception that is allowing these so called revelations to have circulation. Therefore, we know that our words,

if we speak for the Lord, must line up with scripture.

Conclusion: I can guarantee you that the devil will so turn your head around if you are seduced, that those who speak

the truth will sound like the ones that are without the Holy Spirit. That, is deception and it is happening in many places,

in many ways and as close to home as those who accept what they do not understand as sound.

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Discernment is an absolute necessity if one wishes to claim that gift, yet, far better to let others acknowledge said gift rather that claim

it and then commence to fail at what you say you have as a gift

Dave777, there are still prophets today , however their is no "new knowledge" revealed to them today as in the past. Everything that is revealed to Prophets of God today, line up with the Word of God. There are things that are deeper as the Body grows in Christ, however, there is ALWAYS WITHOUT EXCEPTION Scripture to follow up with what they have been told.

God's revealing Himself to us is not found beyond the 66 Books that make up the Bible.

True Prophets ALWAYS point to the testimony of Jesus Christ and His Word:

Revelation 1:1-3

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: forthe testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Great points B3L

I would also like to add that an interesting question would be "Well why is that? Why is there nothing new revealed? Why

are not new things revealed?"

I do not know for sure, but I think a good guess would be that less and less attention is being paid to the reality of seducing

spirits who come as teaching spirits and catch some unawares and convince them they are the Holy Spirit when in fact

they are evil.

Jesus warned of this phenomena and we see it already at work in the NT.

As these severe warnings are not paid the attention they deserve, more and more are following after signs and wonders

and doctrines of demons and refuse to heed the warnings ALREADY in scripture, let alone the oddballs who keep insisting

that there are NO NEW revelations.

So what is actually happening? There are literally thousands of new revelations which is, my thought on why we are

told not to add to the words of scripture. We are told NOT to add because most people are not on guard against

the deception that is allowing these so called revelations to have circulation. Therefore, we know that our words,

if we speak for the Lord, must line up with scripture.

Conclusion: I can guarantee you that the devil will so turn your head around if you are seduced, that those who speak

the truth will sound like the ones that are without the Holy Spirit. That, is deception and it is happening in many places,

in many ways and as close to home as those who accept what they do not understand as sound.

Hey that odd ball crack was

directed at me HUH!!! The nerve...

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I have broad shoulders

I can take sis... dish out,

pile it on, sticks and stones...

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haha...we can share if you like

I'm an oddball too in this case :)...silly you

Seriously though, there have been so many shipwrecks on this particular sea, that rescue is a possibility if one wants to navigate the waters

in their little boat

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There is a strong command not to add to the Bible.

There is also a warning in Galatians 1 that adding to the Bible or perverting it even if an angel from heaven is the “messenger” will bring a curse. So a warning I suppose to those who claim to have the gift of prophecy...

Deut. 4:2

You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Deut. 12:32

Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.

Prov. 30:6

Do not add to His words,Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

Gal 1:6-12

6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.

11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Rev. 22:18-19

18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

God reveals Himself in His Word. The canon is closed.

Recently a friend of mine mentioned he has had people come up to him to tell him some "new" revelation.

He said, "If it's new it's not true. New revelation? God's revelation is found in the Bible."

God bless,

GE

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Beware

Of these who call themselves prophets, who say that Christ or God or a heavenly angel talked with them face to face and gave them instruction. These are "false prophets".

Let us look at a few Scriptures:

Acts 9:3b - 5 - Suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying, Saul, Saul, why do you percecute me? Who are you Lord? Saul asked. I am Jesus whom you are percecuting.

Dan 8:17 - As he came near to the place where I was standing, I was terrified and fell prostate. v.18. While he was speaking to me, I was in a deep sleep, with my face to the ground.

Rev 1:17 - When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead.

Those who have had an encounter with God, Christ or a heavenly angel, fall to the ground, but the angel will say rise, for I myself are but a message giver.

There are no casual face to face encounters with the God Head, with this person being in an upright position.

This in no way should take away from dreams.

In Christ

Montana Marv

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Montana Marv

Of these who call themselves prophets, who say that Christ or God or a heavenly angel talked with them face to face and gave them instruction. These are "false prophets".

Look at that again, We have ministering spirits (Angels) that give direction, messages, and the Holy Spirit also directs and leads us. It's OK to say that the Lord said this, or an Angle whispered this. These things happen constantly. Jesus has appeared to many and gave instructions, He is still head of his Church and at times needs to paint neon signs for someone to get it. We are told to prove all things, and any message we think we are given must hold up under the Word of God.

Jesus Is Lord.

Be careful my brother.

Gal 1:6-12

6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.

11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

God bless,

GE

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Well...we now also have the thread that firestormx started...and I understand his questionning...and for once I opened up and gave personal

illustration...regarding a word of knowledge..in which, from time to time I do seem to operate...yet, I can see, no matter how careful I tried

to be...what I wrote is not being understood and it seems disagreement is forming.

Now, ya'll know why..as the song says (and not everyone will know this song) I keep my visions to myself ;)

yeah, it hurts to be called a fake or weird or worse, but if God does bestow a prophetic gift on you, that is ultimately His decision and

if it is real, it will operate and if you run (I have) a big fish might swallow you up...I still get...oh you just imagined that...even when 'it'

happens....so, perhaps that is why the prophets hid in the caves back in the day...well, that and the evil queen of course LOL!

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Thank you for the warning though, some have taken some scriptures and sought angelic help to their own hurt and confusion.

I think a very good word to the wise would be: Thous shalt not ask an angel for help...God sends them at His discretion

I think sometimes you might better check if what you meant to say is what you say Mike :)..meant in a kind and friendly manner )seems

I have to put in writing everything these days because I am not politically polite correct

Gal 1:6-12

6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.

11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

I apply those verses under fear of death....you cannot be too careful

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If a women ask me why did her baby die, though she lived in sin, I certainly would not answer that with God needed another Child to sing in Heaven and he saw evil to come. I would not say because you lived in sin. I would have to hear the Holy Spirit as to why, and lots of times we hear but cannot say as the people won't understand or bare it. We can use it to minister though.

Do you think all illness is a result of sin?

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I think a very good word to the wise would be: Thous shalt not ask an angel for help...God sends them at His discretion

I think sometimes you might better check if what you meant to say is what you say Mike

We do have to be careful, I think we speak sometimes with abundance of revelation in one area, that others don't have and they become confused or upset at times. In reality we are right, but needed to take the time to explain and use better judgement on the wording.

As for Word of Knowledge, Word of Wisdom, most Prophecy contain these gifts also. To be an effective as a minister, I also like yourself get words of Wisdom, (Future) or Knowledge (Past Present) from the Lord to help. In fact I have been used more in these gifts than any other gift. Without it we can't really help people with issues because we have to be shown exactly the root and where the enemy is bothering them in. People often themselves can only see surface effects, God see's all and we need to hear from Him to be effective.

If a women ask me why did her baby die, though she lived in sin, I certainly would not answer that with God needed another Child to sing in Heaven and he saw evil to come. I would not say because you lived in sin. I would have to hear the Holy Spirit as to why, and lots of times we hear but cannot say as the people won't understand or bare it. We can use it to minister though.

My last hard one was when someone I knew found their sister dead in the living room and was asked to ask God to raise them. The Lord told me straight away not to ask him that, but with no reason why.

The gifts are real, they are to help, they are not to lead other peoples Flocks around, not to dictate to the whole body, but to be a edification and help when needed as the Spirit Wills.

Jesus Is Lord.

I find speaking a whole lot less than I used to helps...in fact, I recommend it...time tends to temper this gift....or, it becomes a parody of what it should have been

I do not agree with some of the ways people use a word of knowledge...to try and obtain information or those lineups where people wait to get prayed

over by the person who 'has that gift' or states they are a 'prophet'

Actually, I think I see God withholding a lot of things because of the misuse of His gifts. People, IMO, were never meant to be super televangelists

or healers or prophets or whatever. I just don't see that

Frankly, I would never try to 'raise the dead'.....for more than one reason but anyway........

I actually steer pretty much clear of miracle meetings and such...been to them....years ago....I don't see a Biblical precedent...yes, I do know

that people lined up to be healed by Jesus, but I don't see all kinds of real healings happening. I see a whole lotta hooplah and not much else

and disenfranchised people and often and sadly, lots of $$$ in the plate, but probably getting off topic for this thread

I do agree that the gifts are real...its the majority of the unreal I see out there though...I have done quite a bit of research into this

type of thing because of my own family's involvement in a ministry when I was very young...and a family member who pulled in

the whole family and it was nothing but a disaster

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Yes, I believe there is the real....never say never...LOL! I thought that is what you would say.

The service you write of does sound like a moment the service got suspended from its same ole same ole...exactly, what could a person

say...guess I would have prayed...mind you I'm not a minister of course...but certainly been in ministry and worked with pastors

Well, the more it changes the more it stays the same...just felt like saying that for some reason...just me, nothing behind it ;)

brand new is good....more than once I wish I could have been brand new...I was saved when I was 5...the first time I heard

about salvation

There is the real though, and God can use anyone at any time. No wonder Paul said despise not prophecy, but hold onto that which is true. They must have abused it in his time also.

Oh yeah!....years ago I used to wish we were like the NT believers...then one day it dawned...we ARE the NT believers....I really

don't think it was any different then, once things got going, then it is now....you can read all about the sin and the error in the NT

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Oh yeah!....years ago I used to wish we were like the NT believers...then one day it dawned...we ARE the NT believers....I really

don't think it was any different then, once things got going, then it is now....you can read all about the sin and the error in the NT

I agree, We are the NT believers. We just have more distractions than the ones in Acts. Its all about ignoring the distractions for the modern Christian.

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The people in Acts were ALL IN !!! Very few people today are willing to give the Lord they're whole body, mind, soul. And even less are willing to give up all their possessions for the good of the called out group.

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I agree, We are the NT believers. We just have more distractions than the ones in Acts. Its all about ignoring the distractions for the modern Christian.

lol, Um........ There was folks trying to kill them at the time. For me that would be a distraction.

When someone is trying to kill you, it becomes very easy to focus on the important things and to leave the distractions behind. That's why we get distracted so easily. We're too safe.

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The people in Acts were ALL IN !!! Very few people today are willing to give the Lord they're whole body, mind, soul. And even less are willing to give up all their possessions for the good of the called out group.

Amen! Oh where is the God of Elijah! There is a blessedness of possessing nothing yet all things being yours. What is missing today is the ministering of the Spirit. Too many giving out bible tracks or half hearted gospel messages about getting saved instead of teaching others that they can have the promise of the Father and walk in newness of life hand in hand with the very one who created them. Take the world but give me Jesus....

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God saved me through a man of God (in Kerala, India) with the real gift of prophecy(and I believe the majority are false). It was just like 1Cor14. God told me things that only I knew (in my own head). I grew up Pentecostal then fell away. Just because there is so much false, doesn't mean the real is gone. Spiritual gifts are to strengthen the church, but the enemy also mimics. Test everything and differentiating of spirits is also a gift.

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Respectfully:

The gift of Prophecy simply means inspired speach.

It really does not mean that. for me, this is not something about this person is wrong and that person is right. It is ONLY about what

the Bible defines as the prophetic word

Alot of times on the street, I'll approach people and just know about them, and what the Lord reveals is the gold in their heart, it si always to encourage and build up. For example, Saturday we went out to the skatepark to love some kids and one kid I looked at him and knew he was a leader and influenced everyone around him, I also saw he was a proptector to those around him. Then the guy next to him I knew he played music and was good enough to start a career with it. I also felt his knee was injured and it turns out his knee had a steal plate in it. So after a quick prayer he said all the pain left his knee.

That is not the gift of prophecy. That, is a word of knowledge

Please note that prophecy deals with WORDS FROM GOD and does not mean information about an individual. That, is another gift

as noted, word of knowledge CONCERNING that person

I have had a good number of words of knowledge myself and it is not prophecy...again, I'm not wanting to be right or think

you are wrong

I really want to see what scripture is stating regarding the op

Greetings

It is ONLY about what

the Bible defines as the prophetic word

It is taught that we should know the word which the LORD hath not spoken

Deut 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

Therefore it implies we will know the word the LORD has spoken

LG

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1 Tim. 1: "18 Timothy, my son, I give you this instruction in keeping with the prophecies once made about you, so that by following them you may fight the good fight, 19 holding on to faith and a good conscience..." Prophecy can be personal. Hmm, here's one to throw you for a loop, 1 Tim 4: 14 Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through a prophetic message when the body of elders laid their hands on you." Unfortunately, the vast majority I've dealt with have been false, but doesn't mean that the real isn't there...somewhere...

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