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Pastor Killed, Beaten With Electric Guitar

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you are not alone you are in our prayers.......In the time of trouble He shall hide me in his pavilion Ps 27-5

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The weapon is not the "guilty party"! :duh:


If the weapon is not the guilty party, then why are you saying that "Guns were created to kill?"

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The weapon is not the "guilty party"! :duh:


If the weapon is not the guilty party, then why are you saying that "Guns were created to kill?"


What kind of a question is that? You can't shovel snow with a gun, or do anything else with one apart from shooting to cause death.

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What kind of a question is that? You can't shovel snow with a gun, or do anything else with one apart from shooting to cause death.


So the only time I have ever used a firearm was to shoot it to cause death?

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thats the part I really dont get. People assume 2 things, that the only reason to own a gun, is to kill people. I own multiple firearms. I also shoot regularly. and 90% of what I shoot, is incapable of being killed. By that I mean theyre paper targets and pop cans. which means, out of every 100 bullets I fire, 90 dont kill a thing. the 10 that do, I eat. Thats right, I eat. Im sorry, I like deer, and wild turkey. But thats not people, those are animals, and for those that are against hunting, well killing a deer is no different then a slaughterhouse that kills cows-except the deer, has a chance of escape, the cows don't. Not a single round from any of my guns, has ever even threatened to hit a human Being. And thats true of like 90% or more of all gun owners out there. So, thats mistaken assumption number 1.

The second thing people assume, that if a person owns a gun, then they intend to shoot someone, that they want to. That just because they own a gun, that they WANT to shoot someone. Especially, if that someone is carrying a weapon for self defense. Also a false statement. Just because a person is willing to kill someone in self defense, doesnt mean that they want to. As a father, its my responsibility to protect my family, to keep them safe. I don't want to ever, shoot anyone, at all, but if someone were in my house in the middle of the night, and if the choice was the life of one of my kids, or the life of the criminal threatening my kid, then, the choice is pretty simple to me. Its not that I want to kill that guy-its because I want to keep my family safe. Thats mistaken assumption #2. People need to realize the difference between "wanting" to kill someone, and being "willing" to do so. There is a discernable difference.

And on top of target shooting, which I already mentioned, there is also a large interest in competition shooting, which is no different then say, golf, football or any other sport. It is a bunch of people who compete with each other to see who is the best shot. Competition shooting, harms no one, except little pieces of paper. I guess, technically, a tree had to be killed to make that target, but you might as well blame the logging companys for that-if the competition shooters arnt using paper for targets, Im sure the government would buy it up and use it for useless bills and paperwork to be filled out.

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What kind of a question is that? You can't shovel snow with a gun, or do anything else with one apart from shooting to cause death.


So the only time I have ever used a firearm was to shoot it to cause death?


Sure, unless you use it for target practice, which some people think is fun, knowing full well that the purpose of the object is to kill---kind of perverse fun, anyway. It is a weapon after all.

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thats the part I really dont get. People assume 2 things, that the only reason to own a gun, is to kill people. I own multiple firearms. I also shoot regularly. and 90% of what I shoot, is incapable of being killed. By that I mean theyre paper targets and pop cans. which means, out of every 100 bullets I fire, 90 dont kill a thing. the 10 that do, I eat. Thats right, I eat. Im sorry, I like deer, and wild turkey. But thats not people, those are animals, and for those that are against hunting, well killing a deer is no different then a slaughterhouse that kills cows-except the deer, has a chance of escape, the cows don't. Not a single round from any of my guns, has ever even threatened to hit a human Being. And thats true of like 90% or more of all gun owners out there. So, thats mistaken assumption number 1.

The second thing people assume, that if a person owns a gun, then they intend to shoot someone, that they want to. That just because they own a gun, that they WANT to shoot someone. Especially, if that someone is carrying a weapon for self defense. Also a false statement. Just because a person is willing to kill someone in self defense, doesnt mean that they want to. As a father, its my responsibility to protect my family, to keep them safe. I don't want to ever, shoot anyone, at all, but if someone were in my house in the middle of the night, and if the choice was the life of one of my kids, or the life of the criminal threatening my kid, then, the choice is pretty simple to me. Its not that I want to kill that guy-its because I want to keep my family safe. Thats mistaken assumption #2. People need to realize the difference between "wanting" to kill someone, and being "willing" to do so. There is a discernable difference.

And on top of target shooting, which I already mentioned, there is also a large interest in competition shooting, which is no different then say, golf, football or any other sport. It is a bunch of people who compete with each other to see who is the best shot. Competition shooting, harms no one, except little pieces of paper. I guess, technically, a tree had to be killed to make that target, but you might as well blame the logging companys for that-if the competition shooters arnt using paper for targets, Im sure the government would buy it up and use it for useless bills and paperwork to be filled out.


The song, "It's Only Make Believe" comes to mind.

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Sure, unless you use it for target practice, which some people think is fun, knowing full well that the purpose of the object is to kill---kind of perverse fun, anyway. It is a weapon after all.


It is a tool. Saying it is a weapon, over and over again and trying to put the most sinister spin on it as possible is a pathetic tactic, and is no where near the truth. You do not have a clue about gun ownership and it shows every time you post.

People target practice for the same reason that they practice at anything else, to be proficient at something. I take it you believe killing an animal is wrong? Do you eat meat? Guns were created, originally, as a kind of loud toy. They developed into a tool for hunting and defense later on, over time. A person didn't sit down at a table with some parts and say "I am going to build something to kill people with." People hunt with hand guns. A great many people hunt with handguns and they do so because killing an animal with a hand gun takes a great deal more skill and patience than doing so with a long gun. And most people hunt to use the game as a food source, so in most cases, using a gun is the same as using a bow and arrow or a fishing pole. People have different hobbies and they have different hobbies because different people like different things. Not rocket science. I have had a gun of one kind of another since I was 8 years old and in all that time I have miraculously been able to avoid using it for what you say is it's designed purpose, and, according to you, that is solely to kill people. Haven't felt the need to kill anyone, or anything. Something is only a weapon if you use it as a weapon. A distinction you don't seem to understand.




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