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Moses:the Pharaoh tried to kill all Hebrew baby boy
Jesus:herod killed all the kids in and around bethlehem whoe were 2 years or under
they are the savior of the nation/world,they bring the life,but why their birth accompanied slaughter

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Moses:the Pharaoh tried to kill all Hebrew baby boy
Jesus:herod killed all the kids in and around bethlehem whoe were 2 years or under
they are the savior of the nation/world,they bring the life,but why their birth accompanied slaughter


Satan Thought To Take A Bite Out Of Jesus But Only Bit Dust
So Now He Goes After The Jew And Jerusalem
And Christian And Chinese And Muslim
And All Mankind Too

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.


And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:5-17

PS: Satan Will Lose Big Time
And All Those Who Trust In Jesus Will Be Saved
God Bless China

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GOD bless China?i do not think so,you do not know the situation in china
China rejected and rejecting GOD more than 1000 years,and it awesome difficult to preach in china,and i think that china is the testimony the nation rejects GOD

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GOD bless China?i do not think so,you do not know the situation in china
China rejected and rejecting GOD more than 1000 years,and it awesome difficult to preach in china,and i think that china is the testimony the nation rejects GOD

Are you aware of the huge revival that is happening in China? The government may reject God, but millions upon millions of Chinese worship Him as Lord, and their numbers grow daily, despite persecution.

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GOD bless China?i do not think so,you do not know the situation in china
China rejected and rejecting GOD more than 1000 years,and it awesome difficult to preach in china,and i think that china is the testimony the nation rejects GOD

Are you aware of the huge revival that is happening in China? The government may reject God, but millions upon millions of Chinese worship Him as Lord, and their numbers grow daily, despite persecution.

do you know i tried to share the goodnews in china for years,and do you know what i and my co-workers met?and do you know the whole picture of china???of chinese???

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GOD bless China?i do not think so,you do not know the situation in china
China rejected and rejecting GOD more than 1000 years,and it awesome difficult to preach in china,and i think that china is the testimony the nation rejects GOD

Are you aware of the huge revival that is happening in China? The government may reject God, but millions upon millions of Chinese worship Him as Lord, and their numbers grow daily, despite persecution.

do you know i tried to share the goodnews in china for years,and do you know what i and my co-workers met?and do you know the whole picture of china???of chinese???

That there are over 130 million Chinese Christians and growing? That it is considered the greatest Christian revival of modern times? That they do it under constant threat of government intervention? That house churches, and "factory churches" run by Christians are demolished and the workers assaulted? That nothing will stop it, and it is one of the Communist party's biggest threats?

That nothing will stop God's plan for China, or anywhere else for that matter?

I presume you live there? Or have lived there, so why don't you tell me in your own words, your experience. There is no substitute for experience.

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GOD bless China?i do not think so,you do not know the situation in china
China rejected and rejecting GOD more than 1000 years,and it awesome difficult to preach in china,and i think that china is the testimony the nation rejects GOD

Are you aware of the huge revival that is happening in China? The government may reject God, but millions upon millions of Chinese worship Him as Lord, and their numbers grow daily, despite persecution.

do you know i tried to share the goodnews in china for years,and do you know what i and my co-workers met?and do you know the whole picture of china???of chinese???

That there are over 130 million Chinese Christians and growing? That it is considered the greatest Christian revival of modern times? That they do it under constant threat of government intervention? That house churches, and "factory churches" run by Christians are demolished and the workers assaulted? That nothing will stop it, and it is one of the Communist party's biggest threats?

That nothing will stop God's plan for China, or anywhere else for that matter?

I presume you live there? Or have lived there, so why don't you tell me in your own words, your experience. There is no substitute for experience.

just tell you why i am always visit this english forum,bcs lots of my posts written in chinese disappeared in one night ,and i do not know the reason

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Moses:the Pharaoh tried to kill all Hebrew baby boy
Jesus:herod killed all the kids in and around bethlehem whoe were 2 years or under
they are the savior of the nation/world,they bring the life,but why their birth accompanied slaughter



It happened because evil men give Satan a free hand in their lives, whether they are aware of it or not. You also must realize that all of those babies that were killed went straight to heaven, which is better by far. What those men meant for evil, God made good.


So who won?


God. :heart:

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Moses:the Pharaoh tried to kill all Hebrew baby boy
Jesus:herod killed all the kids in and around bethlehem whoe were 2 years or under
they are the savior of the nation/world,they bring the life,but why their birth accompanied slaughter



It happened because evil men give Satan a free hand in their lives, whether they are aware of it or not. You also must realize that all of those babies that were killed went straight to heaven, which is better by far. What those men meant for evil, God made good.


So who won?


God. :heart:

those babies that were killed went straight to heaven
-----which sentence in bible support this opinion?

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Moses:the Pharaoh tried to kill all Hebrew baby boy
Jesus:herod killed all the kids in and around bethlehem whoe were 2 years or under
they are the savior of the nation/world,they bring the life,but why their birth accompanied slaughter



It happened because evil men give Satan a free hand in their lives, whether they are aware of it or not. You also must realize that all of those babies that were killed went straight to heaven, which is better by far. What those men meant for evil, God made good.


So who won?


God. :heart:

those babies that were killed went straight to heaven
-----which sentence in bible support this opinion?



Quoting from the "gotQuestions" site:



The one passage that seems to identify with this topic more than any other is 2 Samuel 12:21-23. The context of these verses is that King David committed adultery with Bathsheba, with a resulting pregnancy.

The prophet Nathan was sent by the Lord to inform David that because of his sin, the Lord would take the child in death. David responded to this by grieving, mourning, and praying for the child. But once the child was taken, David's mourning ended. David's servants were surprised to hear this. They said to King David, “What is this thing that you have done? While the child was alive, you fasted and wept; but when the child died, you arose and ate food.” David's response was, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who knows, the LORD may be gracious to me, that the child may live.’ But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.”

David's response indicates that those who cannot believe are safe in the Lord. David said that he could go to the child, but that he could not bring the child back to him. Also, and just as important, David seemed to be comforted over this. In other words, David seemed to be saying that he would see the child (in heaven), though he could not bring him back.

Based on God’s love, His goodness, His righteousness, and His perfect justice, it is appropriate to conclude that these precious children went immediately into the presence of God.

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the reason i highlighting this question is bcs in 2009,when i was earnestly sharing the bible to somebody,he just asked me a questing:why you love a GOD who always launching the slaughter -----in the OT,on the way the Israelite entering into the promise land,GOD was always command them to kill all the people in the city,and it is even GOD
harden their heart then they would fighting with Israelite and then be killed
remember one of the sins of king Soul?:he do not killed the one GOD want him to death
and kind David always killed all the people in the city he conquered ,and GOD never blamed him for this
------these questions ,always in my mind these years,before that guy gave me such a tough question,the image of Jehovah GOD was always a kind dad old with with
white moustache and preparing to help the poor at any time,although i had read bible several times at that time,but the bloody story in bible never came into
my mind
do you know why i am so puzzled in this question?
bcs i was born in

slaughter,i am not mean i am somebody,but do you know at the year i was born,bcs of the earthquake ,more than 200000 died at one night


and another huge earthquake

hit china in 2008,and more than 80000 persons died,and in 2011 ,the terrible earthquake hit japan and i think you all
know,and a famous south Korea pastor declared that it was the punishment from GOD ,bcs the japanese always reject GOD and worship the idol
-----as the plagues happenned so many in these years,i think we who believe in "GOD is in control of all the things" should pay atten to the bloody plagues
in bible

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You must remember, we live in a fallen, sin-stained world. This planet and all of creation are under God's curse. But, praise God, one day soon, the curse will be lifted and all of creation redeemed through Christ.


This life is temporary and short. Hold on to what is eternal. God will make all wrongs right.


Blessings! :heart:

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Moses:the Pharaoh tried to kill all Hebrew baby boy
Jesus:herod killed all the kids in and around bethlehem whoe were 2 years or under
they are the savior of the nation/world,they bring the life,but why their birth accompanied slaughter



It happened because evil men give Satan a free hand in their lives, whether they are aware of it or not. You also must realize that all of those babies that were killed went straight to heaven, which is better by far. What those men meant for evil, God made good.


So who won?


God. :heart:

those babies that were killed went straight to heaven
-----which sentence in bible support this opinion?



Quoting from the "gotQuestions" site:



The one passage that seems to identify with this topic more than any other is 2 Samuel 12:21-23. The context of these verses is that King David committed adultery with Bathsheba, with a resulting pregnancy.

The prophet Nathan was sent by the Lord to inform David that because of his sin, the Lord would take the child in death. David responded to this by grieving, mourning, and praying for the child. But once the child was taken, David's mourning ended. David's servants were surprised to hear this. They said to King David, “What is this thing that you have done? While the child was alive, you fasted and wept; but when the child died, you arose and ate food.” David's response was, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who knows, the LORD may be gracious to me, that the child may live.’ But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.”

David's response indicates that those who cannot believe are safe in the Lord. David said that he could go to the child, but that he could not bring the child back to him. Also, and just as important, David seemed to be comforted over this. In other words, David seemed to be saying that he would see the child (in heaven), though he could not bring him back.

Based on God’s love, His goodness, His righteousness, and His perfect justice, it is appropriate to conclude that these precious children went immediately into the presence of God.

when David died ,the bible said"slept with his ancestors" ----did, do ,and will , David's ancestors all in heaven?
and remember where Samuel been brought up from by the medium after his death?out of the ground!and how Samuel predicted Saul would die?"tomorrow you and your sons shall be with me"-------where was and is Samuel in after his death?and where Samuel will living in after the final judgment?where Saul will living in after the final judgment?

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i always give great thks to GOD made me a chinese,bcs i thoroughly know and understand china,i can thoroughly know and understand why bible is the "GOD tree"

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i always give great thks to GOD made me a chinese,bcs i thoroughly know and understand china,i can thoroughly know and understand why bible is the "GOD tree"

"God tree"? Can you explain that a little?

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i always give great thks to GOD made me a chinese,bcs i thoroughly know and understand china,i can thoroughly know and understand why bible is the "GOD tree"

"God tree"? Can you explain that a little?

sorry,wrong typed,i mean,"good tree"

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Moses:the Pharaoh tried to kill all Hebrew baby boy
Jesus:herod killed all the kids in and around bethlehem whoe were 2 years or under
they are the savior of the nation/world,they bring the life,but why their birth accompanied slaughter


Hello Silviawang

The history of man's salvation is written in the Old Testament and foreshadows what will be fulfilled in the New Testament. Moses is an archtype of Jesus.

1) Old Testament: Moses escapes being killed as Pharoh ordered the slaughter of male children by as he was taken in by Pharoh's daughter
New Testament: Jesus escapes being killed as Herold ordered the slaughter of male children by going into Egypt

2) Old Testament: Moses led the Israelites out of slavery from Egypt.
New Testament: Jesus came out of Egypt after Herold died

3) Old Testament: Moses and the Israelites passed through the Red Sea, which became a type of baptism for them (See 1 Corinthians 10:2).
New Testament: Jesus was baptized at the Jordan River.

4) Old Testament: Moses and the Israelites went into the desert and Moses went up to the mount and fasted for forty days (See Exodus 24:18)
New Testament: Jesus went into the desert and fasted for forty days.

5) Old Testament: In the desert, the Israelites were tempted three times.
New Testament: In the desert, Jesus was tempted three times by Satan.

6) Old Testament: Moses received the Ten Commandments on Mt. Sinai.
New Testament: On the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus perfected the Ten Commandments, starting with the beatitudes (See Matthew 5)

7) Old Testament: The Israelites conquered 7 powerful nations to reach the promised land.
New Testament: Christ conquered death and man's 7 deadly sins to bring us redemption.

The Old Testament is filled with so many connections like these. In a way, it's comforting to know that God was with the Israelites through it all even the Israelites did not feel He was there. Moses was considered an archtype of Christ. Moses saved the Israelites from their slavery from Egypt. Christ came with something much more. He came to save us from our slavery of sin and death.

not only Moses,Jesus performed lots of wonders just as the OT prophet had performed,this is said that OT is the testimony of JESUS,and cfm the id of JESUS

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Moses:the Pharaoh tried to kill all Hebrew baby boy
Jesus:herod killed all the kids in and around bethlehem whoe were 2 years or under
they are the savior of the nation/world,they bring the life,but why their birth accompanied slaughter


The mass murder of baby boys in Moses' case was due to fear of the Israelites increasing in number and rebelling since they were slaves at the time, which was a different motive than Herod had for doing the same. Herod was extremely paranoid that his dominion would be challenged by the Messiah or other leaders for that matter. Herod knew he was not a descendent of David and had no regal right to David's throne. Thus Herod had no legal right to the title "King of the Jews". In short, Herod knew he was a fraud and went to great lengths to protect his Kingdom. In my opinion, Herod believed in the OT prophesies and in the wise men's account. It was the testimony of the wise men that sent Herod on a killing spree.

you do not understand what i mean,
what i mean is :if GOD does not allow sth happen ,it will not happen,and we all know the importance Moses/Jesus,and with their birth ,the same situation was :mass baby killing,that was not the coincidence,my question is :why,why the coincidence happened?




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