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Shalom, John Robinson.

I for one don't care if it's a cube, pyramid, tetrahedron, or a Moebius strip. God made it for us, and I'm sure it'll be beyond anything our minds can comprehend.


In its totality, undoubtedly it will be incomprehensible; however, we can get a glimpse of what it will look like in a very general way since Yochanan's description is very general. Just the same, there are contextual clues that most miss. I choose to focus on those clues, because as tangible and as concrete as you can make it in your mind's eye, the better will be your confidence in its reality. I believe that people need to be able to visualize the city and the New Earth to increase their faith.

See, many people do not read Hebrews 11:1 correctly, and this is largely due to the way other versions render the verse.

Hebrews 11:1
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
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Many hear this verse and think that faith is about the things we hope for and the things we can't see, but that is not what the verse says! Those are details in the prepositional phrases that describe the faith, but the faith itself is said to be substance and evidence! What "substance?" What "evidence?" Well, the rest of the chapter is the "evidence!" And the Holy Scriptures themselves is the "substance!" We don't have an "I hope so" kind of faith; we have an "I know so" kind of faith! Faith in God is not difficult to have, but it will always tend to elude those who don't know its nature and continue to focus on the "faith" part! If one truly wants to increase one's faith in God, the answer is simple: Get to know God! The more one understands the character of the God who can do the impossible and who truly loves His children, the easier it will be to trust Him, to have faith in Him!

It's the same thing with what to expect in our future. The more concrete our understanding of what to expect, the more likely it will be real for us and the better we'll be able to witness to others.

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Shalom, other one.


Well, the New Jerusalem is not a small thing.... It appears by the description to be a cube or pyramid that has a 1,500 mile square base and is the same hight. So if it lands on the place of the old city of Jerusalem it will squish anything The size of it will cover Egypt, Sudan, the entire Saudi Arabian peninsula, Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Israel area.

I think the old earth and Jerusalem have passed away. And we have a new earth and this really huge city.


And, don't forget half of Turkey! (I think you should shift the landing zone north a little so that the center of the New Jerusalem would be at the coordinates for the Old Jerusalem, particularly the Old City.)

I've done the math, btw, and a cube won't do. If it has a simple shape at all, it would have to be the pyramid. At 1,500 miles across the middle of the city from the center gate on one side of the city to the center gate on the opposite side of the city, that would be 1,500 miles / 24,902 miles * 360 degrees = 21.685 degrees of the earth's circumference (assuming the New Earth will have similar dimensions to this present earth). That means comparing the center gate on one side of the city to the center gate on the opposite side of the city, the direction for "down" would be different by that 21.685 degrees! If it were a true cube, then the cube would not look like a cube at all from a position just outside one of those two gates! Both walls of the city would slant in by 21.685 / 2 = 10.8425 degrees from perpendicular! The walls of the "cube" would not be plumb! The pyramid idea works better. You still have the walls slanting in by that 10.8425 degrees, but a pyramid with an isosceles triangle in its cross sectional view (although the base of the triangle would be curved to the surface of the earth). This would produce a pinnacle angle of 50.78 degrees and an ascent angle of 64.61 - 10.8425 = 53.77 degrees. Because of how the pinnacle would diminish into the distance (it's 1,738.7 miles away from that center gate), this pyramid would APPEAR to have dimensions of an equilateral triangle (with curving sloped sides), and yet from a distance one could tell that it DOES have an isosceles shape to the triangle such that it's curved base is equal to it's height.

Just some food for thought

Mtt13:45-"again the kingdom of heavenis like unto a merchant man seeking goodly pearls, who when he found one pearl of great price, sold all he had, and bought it." What is the math of a pearl?

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Shalom, John Robinson.


I for one don't care if it's a cube, pyramid, tetrahedron, or a Moebius strip. God made it for us, and I'm sure it'll be beyond anything our minds can comprehend.


In its totality, undoubtedly it will be incomprehensible; however, we can get a glimpse of what it will look like in a very general way since Yochanan's description is very general. Just the same, there are contextual clues that most miss. I choose to focus on those clues, because as tangible and as concrete as you can make it in your mind's eye, the better will be your confidence in its reality. I believe that people need to be able to visualize the city and the New Earth to increase their faith.

See, many people do not read Hebrews 11:1 correctly, and this is largely due to the way other versions render the verse.

Hebrews 11:1
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
KJV


Many hear this verse and think that faith is about the things we hope for and the things we can't see, but that is not what the verse says! Those are details in the prepositional phrases that describe the faith, but the faith itself is said to be substance and evidence! What "substance?" What "evidence?" Well, the rest of the chapter is the "evidence!" And the Holy Scriptures themselves is the "substance!" We don't have an "I hope so" kind of faith; we have an "I know so" kind of faith! Faith in God is not difficult to have, but it will always tend to elude those who don't know its nature and continue to focus on the "faith" part! If one truly wants to increase one's faith in God, the answer is simple: Get to know God! The more one understands the character of the God who can do the impossible and who truly loves His children, the easier it will be to trust Him, to have faith in Him!

It's the same thing with what to expect in our future. The more concrete our understanding of what to expect, the more likely it will be real for us and the better we'll be able to witness to others.

I dont think hwbrews 11 has anything to do with it.I also think to try and materialise it will trend towards creating another idol,it's symboliclike the temple detilsand priestly garments etc etc with alltheir details, it's what they stand for to come to pass we need the fafith for. John 14:3 has already been quoted. People literalised the 'mansion' which was a bad translation , the subjest was 'dwellingplace' which jesus had witht he the father, this city-bride is the sumtotal of them all.Knowing the architecture is not the key to getting there.'they that have my spirit these saith he are mine'

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Matt. 13:45 - "again the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man seeking goodly pearls, who when he found one pearl of great price, sold all he had, and bought it." What is the math of a pearl?


The math of a pearl? That depends on what you are looking for. Mathematics is just a way to identify the relationships between physical things. Matthew 13:45 is a parable about the KINGDOM! That's NOT the "church" or people or any such thing. The Kingdom from the sky is being compared to the MERCHANT MAN, not the pearl! Yeshua` IS that merchant or investor. What this verse is saying is that when Yeshua` is reigning in Isra'el beginning in the Millennium, the King will be able to make incredible investments and always come out in the black no matter how much He invests. He could sink His entire wealth into a venture and come out "smelling like roses."

Now, if you want to talk about the gates of the New Jerusalem, which are also said to be pearls, those gates are very intriguing.

Revelation 21:10-27
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
KJV


Why would the city have twelve gates that are never used? They will always stand open! Notice: Verse 21 says that the twelve gates were twelve pearls. It does NOT say that they were LIKE pearls nor does it say that they were made out of pearls! It says that each gate (every several gate) was from ONE PEARL! We get our real pearls today from oysters, although we also have manufactured pearls. However, the God who made the oysters planned how their immune systems would create the pearls. Therefore, if God wants to make huge pearls like their lesser counterparts, God would certainly know how to create them. However, once again, there are twelve of these huge pearls, and they always stand open! What is their purpose?

Well, at the risk of sounding too simple, generally speaking pearls are ROUND! How does one open or shut a round gate? One would ROLL the gate away from the doorway! I believe that each of these twelve gates commemorate the RESURRECTION of Yeshua`! Notice, too, that each gate is always attended by a messenger, an "angel!" And, I believe that is why these gates always stand open. The stone is forever rolled away from the tomb!

How's that for "math?"

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I dont think Hebrews 11 has anything to do with it. I also think to try and materialise it will trend towards creating another idol; it's symbolic like the temple details and priestly garments, etc. etc. with all their details; it's what they stand for to come to pass we need the faith for. John 14:3 has already been quoted. People literalised the 'mansion' which was a bad translation; the subject was 'dwelling place' which Jesus had with the Father, this city-bride is the sum total of them all. Knowing the architecture is not the key to getting there. 'They that have my spirit these, saith he, are mine.'


People don't have to "materialize" things to create idols for themselves. All they have to do is treat anything or anyone with more attention, respect, or fame than they do God, and ... voila! They have an idol! That can be money, the TV, some baseball, football, basketball, hockey, or soccer player, or a movie star, or even a famous politician! (That can even be ONESELF!) If you show respect to ANYONE more than you do to God, you have an idol.

The temple details and priestly garments may have REPRESENTED something else, but that does not mean that they are ALLEGORICAL! Simple symbolism is one thing; trying to find symbolism in everything is quite another! And, just because a very real temple or a very real garment stood for something else, it doesn't mean that the temple or garment was less real! There will be quite a bit of symbolism in the New Jerusalem, I'm sure; however, that doesn't make the city any less real! It WILL exist (probably already does), and it's very real dimensions are HUGE!

I agree with you about the Greek word "monai" translated "mansions." As the plural of "monee," it does mean a "place of residence" or a "room"; however, that too doesn't make them any less real! I believe that's where Yeshua` is today. He is in the New Jerusalem literally making more rooms for those who are becoming God's children!

Finally, I have a bone to pick with you. You said, "They that have my spirit these, saith he, are mine." I've done quite a bit of searching in the Scriptures for this "verse," and have come up empty. It SOUNDS good, but book, chapter, and verse, please. If one is to quote Scripture, it is always best to give a reference so others can check it out for themselves. It's not enough, when it comes to "quoting" Scripture, to get close but not quite right.

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Matt. 13:45 - "again the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man seeking goodly pearls, who when he found one pearl of great price, sold all he had, and bought it." What is the math of a pearl?


The math of a pearl? That depends on what you are looking for. Mathematics is just a way to identify the relationships between physical things. Matthew 13:45 is a parable about the KINGDOM! That's NOT the "church" or people or any such thing. The Kingdom from the sky is being compared to the MERCHANT MAN, not the pearl! Yeshua` IS that merchant or investor. What this verse is saying is that when Yeshua` is reigning in Isra'el beginning in the Millennium, the King will be able to make incredible investments and always come out in the black no matter how much He invests. He could sink His entire wealth into a venture and come out "smelling like roses."

Now, if you want to talk about the gates of the New Jerusalem, which are also said to be pearls, those gates are very intriguing.

Revelation 21:10-27
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
KJV


Why would the city have twelve gates that are never used? They will always stand open! Notice: Verse 21 says that the twelve gates were twelve pearls. It does NOT say that they were LIKE pearls nor does it say that they were made out of pearls! It says that each gate (every several gate) was from ONE PEARL! We get our real pearls today from oysters, although we also have manufactured pearls. However, the God who made the oysters planned how their immune systems would create the pearls. Therefore, if God wants to make huge pearls like their lesser counterparts, God would certainly know how to create them. However, once again, there are twelve of these huge pearls, and they always stand open! What is their purpose?

Well, at the risk of sounding too simple, generally speaking pearls are ROUND! How does one open or shut a round gate? One would ROLL the gate away from the doorway! I believe that each of these twelve gates commemorate the RESURRECTION of Yeshua`! Notice, too, that each gate is always attended by a messenger, an "angel!" And, I believe that is why these gates always stand open. The stone is forever rolled away from the tomb!

How's that for "math?"

i LIKE IT, you make it gt better, ONE SEWS AND ANOTHERREEPS, YOU REEPED 12 PEARLS FROM ONE .Pearls grow in the shell LIKE A BABY IN THE WOMB reminds me of the Sscripture

Psalm40:7 "behold i come in the scroll of the book it is written of me," I am thinking of l, those prophecies of the Messiah through the Old Testsment whih when come to maturity were perfect representtion of thefather as Jesus nudged philiiip about when he sked him to show us the father. thanks I enjoyed that.

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there ws no name to which this is addressed so i ignored it. can i please know forwhat this is sbout?

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I dont think Hebrews 11 has anything to do with it. I also think to try and materialise it will trend towards creating another idol; it's symbolic like the temple details and priestly garments, etc. etc. with all their details; it's what they stand for to come to pass we need the faith for. John 14:3 has already been quoted. People literalised the 'mansion' which was a bad translation; the subject was 'dwelling place' which Jesus had with the Father, this city-bride is the sum total of them all. Knowing the architecture is not the key to getting there. 'They that have my spirit these, saith he, are mine.'


People don't have to "materialize" things to create idols for themselves. All they have to do is treat anything or anyone with more attention, respect, or fame than they do God, and ... voila! They have an idol! That can be money, the TV, some baseball, football, basketball, hockey, or soccer player, or a movie star, or even a famous politician! (That can even be ONESELF!) If you show respect to ANYONE more than you do to God, you have an idol.

The temple details and priestly garments may have REPRESENTED something else, but that does not mean that they are ALLEGORICAL! Simple symbolism is one thing; trying to find symbolism in everything is quite another! And, just because a very real temple or a very real garment stood for something else, it doesn't mean that the temple or garment was less real! There will be quite a bit of symbolism in the New Jerusalem, I'm sure; however, that doesn't make the city any less real! It WILL exist (probably already does), and it's very real dimensions are HUGE!

I agree with you about the Greek word "monai" translated "mansions." As the plural of "monee," it does mean a "place of residence" or a "room"; however, that too doesn't make them any less real! I believe that's where Yeshua` is today. He is in the New Jerusalem literally making more rooms for those who are becoming God's children!

Finally, I have a bone to pick with you. You said, "They that have my spirit these, saith he, are mine." I've done quite a bit of searching in the Scriptures for this "verse," and have come up empty. It SOUNDS good, but book, chapter, and verse, please. If one is to quote Scripture, it is always best to give a reference so others can check it out for themselves. It's not enough, when it comes to "quoting" Scripture, to get close but not quite right.

MY comments were not intended to make anything less real. The point about making physical representations is making images and idols which God detests. Some people are verty insiteful about recognising types etc and produced very helpful books, the key issue re: mansions is the Body of Christ, it is the preveleg od abiding in the Son as he was abiding in the Father which He pronmised he would extend to us by the coming of the holy Spirit. Abiding is spiritual not a physivcal place. The presentation John saw of the city is the sum total of all those in christ's body, various charcteristics will glorify that body as to glorify the son.

I appologize for the non-reference, I couln't find it either but it is a strong recalling quote that like many that pop up. It may have originated in a hymn or a popular saying of a pastor but it is veryscriptural otherwise I wouln't use it,

1 JOHN4:13'Hereby know we that we dwell in him nd he in us, because he has givenus of His Spirit"

which is the exact abiding in/dwelling referred to previously.

Devils can quote scripture but cant duplicate god's spirit whereby we are sealed.

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I appologize for the non-reference, I couln't find it either but it is a strong recalling quote that like many that pop up. It may have originated in a hymn or a popular saying of a pastor but it is very scriptural otherwise I wouln't use it,

1 JOHN4:13'Hereby know we that we dwell in him nd he in us, because he has given us of His Spirit" which is the exact abiding in/dwelling referred to previously.

Devils can quote scripture but cant duplicate god's spirit whereby we are sealed.


If it's not Scripture then I'm sure you'd agree that it shouldn't be "quoted" as such wouldn't you agree?

God bless,
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What I am about to say, I say in love. And I say because I am told to.

Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Well, I've been insulted by people a lot better than you so go ahead.


Rom 2:1 ¶ Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

Your right, we as Christians need to be very careful of what image we are showing to others, especially when we are interacting with our brothers in Christ. I believe that we all can learn a lot from this exchange. My mom always told me that I was the pot calling the kettle black. Jesus simply called me a hypocrite with a beam in my eye. I hope that I have learned my lesson by now. Praise God for his Word. May we love each other as he loved us.

Peace in Christ.

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*** edited the insults ***


The only insult I have read brother, is contained in your post, not in Joe's. As you will find, Unbelievers are indicated in the description to the left of a person's post. Their username is also listed in red. So to answer your question, yes He is a Christian, and no, he is far from an atheist.

Joe is far from insulting people (well on purpose) if you get to know him you will come to find out he has a very tender and loving heart.

God bless you

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If the earth is destroyed, what happens to the people living on it?

Where does a new earth come from? Or it is more like a "remodeled" version of the present earth?


They are either a part of the New Jerusalem or in the Lake of Fire. And renewed is more correct than remodeled. The old earth will be burned away and all of its works as well, and the unsaved inhabitants will be cast into the Lake of Fire.


But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2 Peter 3:10


:hmmm: Jesus exaggerated? Please, show me where? I need to know. :confused:

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Please Forgive Me

To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. Titus 3:2

Any Offense Dear Brother

Set a watch, O LORD, before my mouth; keep the door of my lips. Psalms 141:3

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Well Beloved It Very Well Could Be Orbiting A Planet Earth

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11

Yet I See No Place For Old Earth

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelation 21:1-2

Do You?

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Revelation 21:5

Hum

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:15-17

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A Call To Any Cruising This Thread


Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:20

Believe

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18

And Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe

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If the earth is destroyed, what happens to the people living on it?


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As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. Psalms 42:1

Joy

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
John 5:26-29

Or Judgement

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.


And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 21:11-15

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Believe

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:

and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36

And Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe

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Please Forgive Me

To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. Titus 3:2

Any Offense Dear Brother

Set a watch, O LORD, before my mouth; keep the door of my lips. Psalms 141:3

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Well Beloved It Very Well Could Be Orbiting A Planet Earth

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11

Yet I See No Place For Old Earth

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelation 21:1-2

Do You?

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Revelation 21:5

Hum

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:15-17

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A Call To Any Cruising This Thread


Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:20

Believe

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18

And Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe


Thank you Joe.
Why couldnt the new earth be the planet restored from near total destruction? I believe that when Jesus has returned, cast satan into the bottomless pit, He will empty the Aylantic and Pacific oceans, restoring at the water canopy above the earth as it was before the flood of Noah, which will make the people on the earth to live for hundreds of years again. The earth will be as it was in the beginning, perfect, there will be no war and man will live in peace and harmony with nature and the animal kingdom. There will be no more carnivores. We will be an agrarian society where every family frows their own food. Children will play with lions and bears and wolves will lie with rabbits.

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I'm sorry guys, you make your posts too confusing what with trying to appear so cool or whatever. You do all this weird printing crap and I cant figure oout what the heck you are talking about. I think I'm just going to drop this site. I like normal stuff. Not all this fancy computer junk. I would never read a book if it was printed the way you all print your posts. Weird people.


At first, it can be hard to get used to Brother. But, if you take time to try and learn you will easily get the hang of it. Sorry that this did not meet your expectations, (IMO) this cite exceeds mine, but hey, different points in perspective. I hope you find a place that meets the criteria your looking for.

Thanks for calling us weird :) Appreciated Brother! :thumbsup:

I pray the LORD richly blesses you, in works and in faith!

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Thank you Joe.
Why couldnt the new earth be the planet restored from near total destruction? I believe that when Jesus has returned, cast satan into the bottomless pit, He will empty the Aylantic and Pacific oceans, restoring at the water canopy above the earth as it was before the flood of Noah, which will make the people on the earth to live for hundreds of years again. The earth will be as it was in the beginning, perfect, there will be no war and man will live in peace and harmony with nature and the animal kingdom. There will be no more carnivores. We will be an agrarian society where every family frows their own food. Children will play with lions and bears and wolves will lie with rabbits.


Yes, Could Be

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Revelation 20:4-6

Yet There Appears To Be

The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.


The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim. But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod. And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt. Isaiah 11:6-16

Not One But Two Big "Old Earth" Events Still Left

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:7-11

Before The New Creation

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Revelation 21:1-5

Sees Our New Home

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. John 14:1-3

And If This Is Confusing To You Beloved

All Blame Belongs On Me And All Truth Belongs To Jesus

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.


And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

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Greetings,
When the New City Jerusalem comes down out of Space and lands over where Jerusalem is now, what do you think the inhabitants of the Earth will call this Massive City that comes out of Space and lands over Jerusalem? A UFO maybe?

^i^

Not at all. By the time New Jeresalem comes down from heaven not one single person on the face of the earth will be so stupid as to think that it will be a UFO. Or could they?




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