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States ready to secede from the US?
Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:02 AM
As of Saturday November 10, 2012, 15 States have petitioned the Obama Administration for withdrawal from the United States of America in order to create its own government. States following this action include: Louisiana, Texas, Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, North Carolina, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, New Jersey, Colorado, Oregon and New York. These States have requested that the Obama Administration grant a peaceful withdrawal from the United States. These citizen generated petitions were filed just days after the 2012 presidential election. Louisiana was the first State to file a petition a day after the election by a Michael E. from Slidell, Louisiana. Texas was the next State to follow by a Micah H. from Arlington, Texas. The government allows one month from the day the petition is submitted to obtain 25,000 signatures in order for the Obama administration to consider the request.
The Texas petition reads as follows:
The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it’s citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.
As of 12:46 am, Sunday, signatures obtained by Louisiana, 7,358; Texas, 3,771; Florida, 636; Georgia, 475; Alabama, 834; North Carolina, 792; Kentucky, 467; Mississippi, 475; Indiana, 449; North Dakota, 162; Montana, 440; Colorado, 324; Oregon, 328; New Jersey, 301 and New York, 169. Many more States are expected to follow.
Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:20 AM
Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:33 AM
Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:40 AM
Posted 12 November 2012 - 01:19 AM
why would it not happened..?
Please read my statement as to why this won't happen in the other thread concerning this.
15 states are petitioning to sucede and it is splashed all over the internet.
But, what I am wondering about is ... will these states still be supported by the government ?
Posted 12 November 2012 - 01:57 AM
Just what we need ...
The United States was no longer united. It had been divided into two nations: the United States of America and the Confederate States of America.
The South was so serious about secession that they even started to print their own money, write their own constitution, make laws, and elect a president and vice president to lead the new nation.
The North’s Reaction Toward the Secession
With so many of the Southern states seceding, many Northerners, including Abraham Lincoln, felt they had to fight a war to get the states to come back to the Union. This war would soon be known as the Civil War.
Representatives from seven of the seceded states met in Montgomery, Alabama on February 4, 1861 to write a constitution for their new nation. The convention selected Jefferson Davis of Mississippi to be the president of the new nation. The vice presidential position went to Alexander Stephens of Georgia. They called their new constitution the "Confederate Constitution" since it was written for the Confederate States of America. The leaders of the seceded states signed the Confederate Constitution in March. The Confederate Constitution was similar to the United States Constitution except that it guaranteed the support of slavery.
Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:05 AM
My great-grand father faught in it.
Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:18 AM
My daddy was born in 1902.
I well know about the Civil War.. katy
My great-grand father faught in it.
I do know my family tree .
Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:22 AM
Posted 12 November 2012 - 04:22 AM
The moment this thing gains any real traction will be the end of any "real" freedom that America has. Mark my words.
That has already happened.
But if this secession movement gains any steam, all illusions will be gone. Not much chance of success, but freedom was never free. There was a time in our history when the saying "Give me liberty or give me death" was taken seriously.
If enough people still feel that way, we are in for a rough future.
Posted 12 November 2012 - 04:54 AM
Once again LS. The reason why a succession will not work now is because how our government set things up. With so many military installations set up nation wide it will be quick for our government to shut this type of thing down. We think we have freedom here, we don't. The moment this thing gains any real traction will be the end of any "real" freedom that America has. Mark my words.
But didn't the Soviet Union break up despite having military installations in all of their former Soviet states?
Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:39 AM
Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:07 PM
Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:15 PM
We would do like in the 1860's ... have our own president and vice president... print money...make our own constitution laws...etc..
Texas and Louisiana would keep their oil rights...drill and sell as much as we want.
I am just wondering if all this can go through .
Please don't shoot me down ... I thought those things happened in the past ...was in the past.
I really didn't think that a seccession can possibly happen again.. LOL
Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:42 PM
Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:47 PM
The people are the BOSS.
The state is a SERVANT to the people.
The Federal government is the SERVANT to the states.
We have a list of real grievances that involve illegal and Unconstitutional actions by the Federal Government. The people who PAY the bills have been abused and mistreated in a forceful, illegal, and Unconstitutional way. CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED is supposed to be our way of life in a FREE COUNTRY. What we have now is approaching TYRANNY. Our Federal government is out of control, CORRUPT, and dictating things they have no legal or Constitutional right to do. I suspect that any real effort to change things will involve a list of grievances and a mandate to address them. Make no mistake - things are serious and will NOT proceed the way they are now. The Federal government is completely incompetent and CORRUPT.
Posted 12 November 2012 - 01:14 PM
i do not believe that there is anything in the constitution that would keep any state from withdrawing from the union. i do believe that the Civil War was unconstitutional..... but I'm glad Lincoln did it anyway.
According to Wiki the Supreme Court ruled secession without consent is unconstitutional.
No State, not even Texas, has the right to secede from the Union without consent from the Union.
Doesn't Texas have written in it's agreement to join the Union the legal ability to withdraw from the Union?
No, Texas doesn't have that clause, but it is a very popular misconception, even among Texans.
Edited by D-9, 12 November 2012 - 01:17 PM.
Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:21 PM
Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:23 PM
They don't have to.
If and/or when the movement becomes serious enough, nobody will care about consent of the Federal government. Since when does the Federal government do things according to the rule of law and the Constitution?
Tanks, bombs and nukes trump the Constitution.
Posted 12 November 2012 - 03:07 PM
It did not pass either house or senate or the governors desk apparently, but local legislators attempted to pass a bill permitting az to secede. I hope we do not because mexico would just take us over lol. We Arizonans are a mite cranky at the feds atm.