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Petitions signed by hundreds of thousands of Americans seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the union have now been filed for all 50 states on the White House website.

Texas is in the lead as of now with 99,000.

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What does DC do? Its all by itself now?

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Scripture does tell us that a house divided will not stand. This is the most divisive election I have seen in my life. Our nation is so divided, a calm wind could easily blow it over, which is what is happening.

We are in the last days and many of us have blown the trumpet trying to get the attention of others. Politics is how the country runs. We are what holds the country together. If we allow our political differences to continue to cause a wider divide, we are no longer "We the People" but "We the Political Party".

It is time to accept that there has been a victor and move on trying to resolve the issues that divide instead of acting like school kids, taking sides and facing each other off in a fight. If this fight continues, nobody who is a citizen of the US will win.

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Don't know what will happen with this. We just have to wait for Obamas' response.

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Considering the number of signatures compared to the number of citizens in each state.....it miniscule. It's time Americans grow up and move on instead of sulking and acting like children. It gets worse with each election. Don't like the results of an election? Then work to change the reasons the GOP can't win any more.

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Personally, I am tired of just two major parties dominating the political agenda. Yet, the others are so far off what is considered as "normal thinking" they don't' have a chance. I don't think there will ever be a white knight for our government before Christ returns, but it would be nice to drop the political affiliations when it comes to voting and vote for what the person will do or try to do without the us and them attitude.

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Personally, I am tired of just two major parties dominating the political agenda. Yet, the others are so far off what is considered as "normal thinking" they don't' have a chance. I don't think there will ever be a white knight for our government before Christ returns, but it would be nice to drop the political affiliations when it comes to voting and vote for what the person will do or try to do without the us and them attitude.

Political parties - That would be a good topic for it's own thread, maybe.

I think the reason they form is the human desire to create alliances - in any legislative body, there is an "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" mentality. That seems to morph into general alliances, and those alliances become political parties.

One question I have (which I have my own thoughts on, but I'd like to hear others' opinions) - why does the US seem to be unique in the world in that it has only 2 viable political parties - whereas other countries have multiple parties?

Personally, I don't believe parties in and of themselves are "bad" - at worst, they are probably a necessary evil.

What is negative however, IMHO, is the partisan attitudes we see exhibited by some here in the US (I can only speak to the attitudes I see here - I don't know to what extent it exists in other countries).

I've seen cases where partisanship seems to replace thought. With some, political party becomes their religion.

That is sad.

Blessings!

-Ed

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Personally, I am tired of just two major parties dominating the political agenda. Yet, the others are so far off what is considered as "normal thinking" they don't' have a chance. I don't think there will ever be a white knight for our government before Christ returns, but it would be nice to drop the political affiliations when it comes to voting and vote for what the person will do or try to do without the us and them attitude.

Political parties - That would be a good topic for it's own thread, maybe.

I think the reason they form is the human desire to create alliances - in any legislative body, there is an "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" mentality. That seems to morph into general alliances, and those alliances become political parties.

One question I have (which I have my own thoughts on, but I'd like to hear others' opinions) - why does the US seem to be unique in the world in that it has only 2 viable political parties - whereas other countries have multiple parties?

Personally, I don't believe parties in and of themselves are "bad" - at worst, they are probably a necessary evil.

What is negative however, IMHO, is the partisan attitudes we see exhibited by some here in the US (I can only speak to the attitudes I see here - I don't know to what extent it exists in other countries).

I've seen cases where partisanship seems to replace thought. With some, political party becomes their religion.

That is sad.

Blessings!

-Ed

I have seen that very thing myself, someone insists that HIS/HER party is founded on Christian values and someone else believes theirs to be. Both are wrong; there is NO Christian party in our country, in fact the two parties we are stuck with are so vile that to call them Christian ANYTHING is flat out disgusting.

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Personally, I am tired of just two major parties dominating the political agenda. Yet, the others are so far off what is considered as "normal thinking" they don't' have a chance. I don't think there will ever be a white knight for our government before Christ returns, but it would be nice to drop the political affiliations when it comes to voting and vote for what the person will do or try to do without the us and them attitude.

Political parties - That would be a good topic for it's own thread, maybe.

I think the reason they form is the human desire to create alliances - in any legislative body, there is an "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" mentality. That seems to morph into general alliances, and those alliances become political parties.

One question I have (which I have my own thoughts on, but I'd like to hear others' opinions) - why does the US seem to be unique in the world in that it has only 2 viable political parties - whereas other countries have multiple parties?

Personally, I don't believe parties in and of themselves are "bad" - at worst, they are probably a necessary evil.

What is negative however, IMHO, is the partisan attitudes we see exhibited by some here in the US (I can only speak to the attitudes I see here - I don't know to what extent it exists in other countries).

I've seen cases where partisanship seems to replace thought. With some, political party becomes their religion.

That is sad.

Blessings!

-Ed

Parties are necessary, what we need is a real, viable 3rd party.

with the current two party system we have two parties that talk a really good game but when given the power to do things they are pretty much the same. There is no way to hold them accountable because even if we vote them out of office in a year or two we will vote them back in.

add to this that there are a certain percent of people that would not vote for a Dem or a Repub no matter what, for these people they have lost all power and they are just "yes" men for the parties they support. This is why both parties seek to divided us as much a possible, the more the country is divided, the more power the parties have.

Many have become slaves to the parties. Just think about how many people on here would not vote for Dem no matter what or who was running agaisnt said Dem.

I agree that the petitions won't likely do any good, but I did sign the one for North Carolina anyway. We have the required 25,000 signatures to be considered. I have been thinking about this third party idea, and perhaps I was wrong? I think we have come to the place where we need a third party, and it should be called, The Secessionist Party. The main purpose of this party is to push for secession from the union, and the formation of a new government, where the main power lies with the states. As I said, I don't believe the petitions will do any good, but that doesn't mean we can't succeed in leaving the union. I believe this needs to be done at the country level first, where it has the best chance of success.

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Considering the number of signatures compared to the number of citizens in each state.....it miniscule. It's time Americans grow up and move on instead of sulking and acting like children. It gets worse with each election. Don't like the results of an election? Then work to change the reasons the GOP can't win any more.

This is about more than the loss of an election. This is about having a man in power who has as his stated goal, the fundamental transformation of America. He is working overtime to destroy this country, and is doing things outside of the law. In the past, I have had people suggest that secession was our only hope, and I have not gone along with it, holding out hope that things could get better? I no longer believe that is the case. The damage Obama is doing is beyond repair, and we have come to the place where a state by state pull out from the union is our only hope. Nationally syndicated talk show host, Mike Church, has been promoting this for sometime. He is located in Louisiana, and they were the first state to submit a petition.

This petition is a waste of time, except to show our disatisfaction with what is taking place. It is like the petition to impeach Obama, that goes to Obama. A lot of good that will do! If we really want to pull out of the union, the government officials at the local level will have to support the idea. We need a political party that promotes seccession, and whose candidates are running for that purpose. It is a long shot, but not impossible.

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Has anyone considered that this secession thing could be a trap of some kind?

I just heard talk that the petitions appear to have been started by a "core group of people", according to the same signatures showing up on different states (haven't verified yet myself) .Anybody else heard any thing like that?

Could the president use this as an excuse to declare martial law, citing civil unrest? Or is this setting the stage for actual unrest, which has been brewing quietly anyway since before the election?

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doubt it gold-even if it were by a core group, all the petitions have been civil, and in reality have no legal backing yet-all a petition does, once it hits 25,000, is require a government response-the government can respond anyway that it wants, but it has to respond. All the petitions have been peaceful, and filed appropriatly following the rules. There havent been any violence, riots, or even threats thereof. If anything, its a political maneuver-even if the state moves to secede, it would take a LOT more then 100,000 votes in the case of texas, and a lot more organization-and probably state government involvement. If they were started by a "core group" its no more then a political play, no more no less-if one wanted to impose "martial" law they would need riots, etc. and there would be no reason to start those-all the government had to have done was impose it with the occupy movement, they had a wide open bridge there, and with the election being as devisive as it was, there would be no need to start something-chances are sooner or later, they would have their chance again.

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I agree that the petitions won't likely do any good, but I did sign the one for North Carolina anyway. We have the required 25,000 signatures to be considered. I have been thinking about this third party idea, and perhaps I was wrong? I think we have come to the place where we need a third party, and it should be called, The Secessionist Party. The main purpose of this party is to push for secession from the union, and the formation of a new government, where the main power lies with the states. As I said, I don't believe the petitions will do any good, but that doesn't mean we can't succeed in leaving the union. I believe this needs to be done at the country level first, where it has the best chance of success.

That is exactly what we once were. It was not until the government thought they could handle certain aspects of life in the US better than the states because they could raise more taxes to support their programs that we started moving away from the forefathers ideas.

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I agree that the petitions won't likely do any good, but I did sign the one for North Carolina anyway. We have the required 25,000 signatures to be considered. I have been thinking about this third party idea, and perhaps I was wrong? I think we have come to the place where we need a third party, and it should be called, The Secessionist Party. The main purpose of this party is to push for secession from the union, and the formation of a new government, where the main power lies with the states. As I said, I don't believe the petitions will do any good, but that doesn't mean we can't succeed in leaving the union. I believe this needs to be done at the country level first, where it has the best chance of success.

That is exactly what we once were. It was not until the government thought they could handle certain aspects of life in the US better than the states because they could raise more taxes to support their programs that we started moving away from the forefathers ideas.

And the states have to operate within balanced budgets.

The FED gov does not - it can print all the "money" it needs (or at least until the supply of green ink runs out)

Blessings!

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I agree that the petitions won't likely do any good, but I did sign the one for North Carolina anyway. We have the required 25,000 signatures to be considered. I have been thinking about this third party idea, and perhaps I was wrong? I think we have come to the place where we need a third party, and it should be called, The Secessionist Party. The main purpose of this party is to push for secession from the union, and the formation of a new government, where the main power lies with the states. As I said, I don't believe the petitions will do any good, but that doesn't mean we can't succeed in leaving the union. I believe this needs to be done at the country level first, where it has the best chance of success.

That is exactly what we once were. It was not until the government thought they could handle certain aspects of life in the US better than the states because they could raise more taxes to support their programs that we started moving away from the forefathers ideas.

You are right. That is why we have the 10Th Amendment, but unfortunately, it is ignored, and those who bring it up are mocked and called "Tenthers."

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Personally, I am tired of just two major parties dominating the political agenda. Yet, the others are so far off what is considered as "normal thinking" they don't' have a chance. I don't think there will ever be a white knight for our government before Christ returns, but it would be nice to drop the political affiliations when it comes to voting and vote for what the person will do or try to do without the us and them attitude.

Political parties - That would be a good topic for it's own thread, maybe.

I think the reason they form is the human desire to create alliances - in any legislative body, there is an "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" mentality. That seems to morph into general alliances, and those alliances become political parties.

One question I have (which I have my own thoughts on, but I'd like to hear others' opinions) - why does the US seem to be unique in the world in that it has only 2 viable political parties - whereas other countries have multiple parties?

Personally, I don't believe parties in and of themselves are "bad" - at worst, they are probably a necessary evil.

What is negative however, IMHO, is the partisan attitudes we see exhibited by some here in the US (I can only speak to the attitudes I see here - I don't know to what extent it exists in other countries).

I've seen cases where partisanship seems to replace thought. With some, political party becomes their religion.

That is sad.

Blessings!

-Ed

I have seen that very thing myself, someone insists that HIS/HER party is founded on Christian values and someone else believes theirs to be. Both are wrong; there is NO Christian party in our country, in fact the two parties we are stuck with are so vile that to call them Christian ANYTHING is flat out disgusting.

I wanna go home..... :red_smile:
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how embarrassing for our country.

One party loses an election and this happens.

What is next, armed riots like we see in the Middle East?

Actually we would be seeing that, had PBHO lost re-election: http://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/157967-obama-supporters-threaten-assassination-and-riots/

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The citizens are using their 1st Amendment right to Petition the Government, who cares what the petitions are about, we should cheer them on for working within the Constitutional process.

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"....full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

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As a citizen of the US I am embarrassed by this sort of thing. It reminds me of a kid in the playground that gets mad and take the ball and goes home.

as a 20 year Marine I am mad about this sort of thing. I did not spend almost half of my life protecting the country and the constitution so that when an election does not go their way people want to take their ball and go home. This is the sort of thing you see in 3rd world countries, not the greatest country on the planet.

What's funny is that people act this way and then wonder why our politicians can come together and get things accomplished for the good of the country.

Gator, on the surface I can appreciate your sentiment. However, we have a president who at one time stated the Constitution is outdated. Is our president interested in protecting our constitution?

While yes, people are angry, if you search deeper you will find such people are actually frightened as to where this nation is heading and don't know what else to do.

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then I would suggest they pack their bags and leave, there are lots of other countries that one can live in.

Funny, but I guess it is true that, given enough time, things tend to go full circle.

There was a popular bumper sticker in the 60s': AMERICA: LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT

I'll leave it at that.

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Has anyone considered that this secession thing could be a trap of some kind?

I just heard talk that the petitions appear to have been started by a "core group of people", according to the same signatures showing up on different states (haven't verified yet myself) .Anybody else heard any thing like that?

Could the president use this as an excuse to declare martial law, citing civil unrest? Or is this setting the stage for actual unrest, which has been brewing quietly anyway since before the election?

For Pete's sake (and ours!) is there ANYTHING that isn't being made into a conspiracy theory these days? I read the above and laughed out loud.....give it a rest, will you? (Not just you, everyone!)

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Gator, on the surface I can appreciate your sentiment. However, we have a president who at one time stated the Constitution is outdated. Is our president interested in protecting our constitution?

While yes, people are angry, if you search deeper you will find such people are actually frightened as to where this nation is heading and don't know what else to do.

then I would suggest they pack their bags and leave, there are lots of other countries that one can live in.

after a few weeks/months they would realize that things are not so bad and maybe come to their senese.

Come on, Gator, you should know that kind of attitude isn't going to resolve anything.

yep, I remember that. But I am not even asking people to love it, I am asking them not to break it.

But preople believe it's already broken.

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Come on, Gator, you should know that kind of attitude isn't going to resolve anything.

but taking their ball and going home will?

It is such a meaningless gesture. the logistics of such a thing alone make it basically impossible.

I will tell you that if I were still an active duty Marine I would have no issue fighting to keep our country whole. The act of secession is treason by another name.

No one is taking the ball, Gator. As you said, the chances of the petitions going anywhere is slim to nill. So why bother criticizing the way people are expressing themselves in a free open democracy?

The things hear heard from Liberals when GW Bush won re-election weren't any better, were they?

But don't you know that telling people to "sit down and shut up" only makes them more angry and more inclined to fight?

Don't you think there is a better way to defend your country?

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how embarrassing for our country.

One party loses an election and this happens.

What is next, armed riots like we see in the Middle East?

I agree, the election is an embarrassment for our country. Perhaps the 'winning party' well step down. I don't think riots are likely, that is pretty much a tactic of the left (if it is political at all).

I will tell you that if I were still an active duty Marine I would have no issue fighting to keep our country whole. The act of secession is treason by another name.

Are you saying, that you would shoot Americans who want no more than to try to live there lives in the pursuit of happiness, rather than to live under an increasingly tyranical govt which seek to take from it's citizens their substance, and depress their ability to enterprise freely and prosper? That I think, is the essense of their disatisfaction. They might argue, that keeping their country whole, is not as important as keeping it well, bringing it back to what it was under the constitution that brought it so far.

By the way, do you think we should repent of our rebellious nature, and give ourselves back to England, making it whole again? Just asking.

I don't see that there is any serious chance of secession, but I do think these people are mostly serious in wanting it. I think they are right to want the country back, that was taken from them, but I also think, the right way to do it, is to give of there time and substance, to changing peoples minds, instead of hoping for something that will not happen.

In the long run, I think people will change their minds, and wish for the old days, more thany they do now, my only question is, will it be possible to go back?

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