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EVANGELICALS PUT OBAMA OVER THE TOP


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Much has been written about the gap between religious and non-religious voters. Those who regularly attend religious services are more likely to vote for Republican candidates, and those who rarely or never attend religious services are much more likely to vote for Democrats.

No surprise here as the Republican platform reflects deeply held biblical values, and the Democratic platform does not.

The 2012 election was no different. Pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage Barack Obama lost among white evangelical Protestants and white Catholics. Nevertheless, more than 21 percent of the self-described “evangelicals” voted to re-elect this president, and that was enough to put Obama comfortably over the top.

While the Electoral College ultimately decides presidential elections, it appears that Obama’s margin in the popular vote was about 3 million votes. However, the number of self-described “evangelicals” who voted for Obama was around 6.4 million. You can do your own math.

While one may self-identify as Christian or Catholic, he or she may only occasionally or never attend church services, pray, read the Bible, etc. However, those who self-identify as evangelicals take the matter of religious observance seriously.

While there is no hard-fast definition of “evangelical,” generally they are Christians and Catholics who, at the very least, 1) believe in the centrality of the conversion or “born again” experience in receiving salvation; 2) believe in the authority of the Bible as God’s revelation to humanity; and 3) have a strong commitment to evangelism or sharing the Christian message.

So, what were these 6.4 million evangelicals who voted for Obama thinking or were they thinking at all? How did they square this circle?

How could they vote for a candidate who supports the wholesale killing of the most innocent among us when the Bible condemns the shedding of innocent blood?

How could they vote for a candidate who wants to dilute marriage by including unions between two men or two women when the Bible calls this practice an abomination?

No, you cannot legislate morality. However, in the last few decades, in our states and in this nation, we have legislated a lot of immorality.

There is no such thing as a value-free law or a value-free piece of legislation. Every bill that is passed and signed into law represents someone’s set of values. If we as evangelical Christians aren’t voting for candidates who support our values, somebody is.

In a democratic republic such as ours, the people who work the hardest are going to have their views expressed in the laws of the land. Laws impact behavior. That’s how it works!

Sadly, most pastors are not adequately preparing their flocks to be “salt and light” in the world. Yes, they read the Bible and they speak in generalities but they don’t address the moral issues that are being debated in the public square.

Maybe they don’t know how to begin, but more likely it is because they are afraid of offending some of their parishioners. The Bible – with its moral absolutes – is offensive to those who prefer to make up their own rules and are “playing church.”

A pastor’s job is to speak the truth in love and hold up God’s plumb line. It is a job that should not be taken lightly. In James 3:1, the Bible warns, “Let not many of you become teachers, my brethern, knowing that as such we shall incur a stricter judgement.”

Mitt Romney is a Mormon, not a Christian, but he is a moral man, and the difference between what he supports and what Obama supports could not be more dramatic.

There is no question that economic issues played a big part in this election as they should have. For far too long, this issue has been given little attention in the church, even among pastors who speak out on other issues.

Well, stealing is a moral issue, and taking our money under false pretenses and using it on things that are not constitutional is stealing!

Obama has put us hopelessly in debt, another issue strongly condemned in the Bible. His answer to our financial crisis is to keep spending, redistribute wealth and increase taxes.

While some see this as compassionate, they have not be educated on the difference between welfare and old-fashioned Christian charity. The former is cold and impersonal and leads to dependency. The latter is voluntarily given in love and leads to productivity.

Let’s be clear: This election was not won at the ballot box. It was lost in the church.

http://www.wnd.com/2...a-over-the-top/

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I saw once the percentage, of Americans that are religious believers , it was a low percent.
It was something like 2 or 3 % . Can't remember the exact amount.

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Much has been written about the gap between religious and non-religious voters. Those who regularly attend religious services are more likely to vote for Republican candidates, and those who rarely or never attend religious services are much more likely to vote for Democrats.

No surprise here as the Republican platform reflects deeply held biblical values, and the Democratic platform does not.

The 2012 election was no different. Pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage Barack Obama lost among white evangelical Protestants and white Catholics. Nevertheless, more than 21 percent of the self-described “evangelicals” voted to re-elect this president, and that was enough to put Obama comfortably over the top.

While the Electoral College ultimately decides presidential elections, it appears that Obama’s margin in the popular vote was about 3 million votes. However, the number of self-described “evangelicals” who voted for Obama was around 6.4 million. You can do your own math.

While one may self-identify as Christian or Catholic, he or she may only occasionally or never attend church services, pray, read the Bible, etc. However, those who self-identify as evangelicals take the matter of religious observance seriously.

While there is no hard-fast definition of “evangelical,” generally they are Christians and Catholics who, at the very least, 1) believe in the centrality of the conversion or “born again” experience in receiving salvation; 2) believe in the authority of the Bible as God’s revelation to humanity; and 3) have a strong commitment to evangelism or sharing the Christian message.

So, what were these 6.4 million evangelicals who voted for Obama thinking or were they thinking at all? How did they square this circle?

How could they vote for a candidate who supports the wholesale killing of the most innocent among us when the Bible condemns the shedding of innocent blood?

How could they vote for a candidate who wants to dilute marriage by including unions between two men or two women when the Bible calls this practice an abomination?

No, you cannot legislate morality. However, in the last few decades, in our states and in this nation, we have legislated a lot of immorality.

There is no such thing as a value-free law or a value-free piece of legislation. Every bill that is passed and signed into law represents someone’s set of values. If we as evangelical Christians aren’t voting for candidates who support our values, somebody is.

In a democratic republic such as ours, the people who work the hardest are going to have their views expressed in the laws of the land. Laws impact behavior. That’s how it works!

Sadly, most pastors are not adequately preparing their flocks to be “salt and light” in the world. Yes, they read the Bible and they speak in generalities but they don’t address the moral issues that are being debated in the public square.

Maybe they don’t know how to begin, but more likely it is because they are afraid of offending some of their parishioners. The Bible – with its moral absolutes – is offensive to those who prefer to make up their own rules and are “playing church.”

A pastor’s job is to speak the truth in love and hold up God’s plumb line. It is a job that should not be taken lightly. In James 3:1, the Bible warns, “Let not many of you become teachers, my brethern, knowing that as such we shall incur a stricter judgement.”

Mitt Romney is a Mormon, not a Christian, but he is a moral man, and the difference between what he supports and what Obama supports could not be more dramatic.

There is no question that economic issues played a big part in this election as they should have. For far too long, this issue has been given little attention in the church, even among pastors who speak out on other issues.

Well, stealing is a moral issue, and taking our money under false pretenses and using it on things that are not constitutional is stealing!

Obama has put us hopelessly in debt, another issue strongly condemned in the Bible. His answer to our financial crisis is to keep spending, redistribute wealth and increase taxes.

While some see this as compassionate, they have not be educated on the difference between welfare and old-fashioned Christian charity. The former is cold and impersonal and leads to dependency. The latter is voluntarily given in love and leads to productivity.

Let’s be clear: This election was not won at the ballot box. It was lost in the church.

http://www.wnd.com/2...a-over-the-top/


Look into an organization called "The Sojourners" headed by a man named Rev. (and I use that term lightly) Jim Wallis. They are a huge part of the Obama Adnministrations Faith based Initiatives. They were tasked with infiltrating our Churches and spreading their Liberal form of Theology.

It's a very satanic mode of operation. You'll note that America is not being destroyed with an attack from without. It's degenerating from within. The same with the Church in the West. These folks deny the Word, Apostolic Authroity, and Historic Interpretation. Thus we find them in support of Homosexual Marriage, Abortion on demand, and Redistribution of Wealth. They call this Social Justice.

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Much has been written about the gap between religious and non-religious voters. Those who regularly attend religious services are more likely to vote for Republican candidates, and those who rarely or never attend religious services are much more likely to vote for Democrats.

No surprise here as the Republican platform reflects deeply held biblical values, and the Democratic platform does not.

The 2012 election was no different. Pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage Barack Obama lost among white evangelical Protestants and white Catholics. Nevertheless, more than 21 percent of the self-described “evangelicals” voted to re-elect this president, and that was enough to put Obama comfortably over the top.

While the Electoral College ultimately decides presidential elections, it appears that Obama’s margin in the popular vote was about 3 million votes. However, the number of self-described “evangelicals” who voted for Obama was around 6.4 million. You can do your own math.

While one may self-identify as Christian or Catholic, he or she may only occasionally or never attend church services, pray, read the Bible, etc. However, those who self-identify as evangelicals take the matter of religious observance seriously.

While there is no hard-fast definition of “evangelical,” generally they are Christians and Catholics who, at the very least, 1) believe in the centrality of the conversion or “born again” experience in receiving salvation; 2) believe in the authority of the Bible as God’s revelation to humanity; and 3) have a strong commitment to evangelism or sharing the Christian message.

So, what were these 6.4 million evangelicals who voted for Obama thinking or were they thinking at all? How did they square this circle?

How could they vote for a candidate who supports the wholesale killing of the most innocent among us when the Bible condemns the shedding of innocent blood?

How could they vote for a candidate who wants to dilute marriage by including unions between two men or two women when the Bible calls this practice an abomination?

No, you cannot legislate morality. However, in the last few decades, in our states and in this nation, we have legislated a lot of immorality.

There is no such thing as a value-free law or a value-free piece of legislation. Every bill that is passed and signed into law represents someone’s set of values. If we as evangelical Christians aren’t voting for candidates who support our values, somebody is.

In a democratic republic such as ours, the people who work the hardest are going to have their views expressed in the laws of the land. Laws impact behavior. That’s how it works!

Sadly, most pastors are not adequately preparing their flocks to be “salt and light” in the world. Yes, they read the Bible and they speak in generalities but they don’t address the moral issues that are being debated in the public square.

Maybe they don’t know how to begin, but more likely it is because they are afraid of offending some of their parishioners. The Bible – with its moral absolutes – is offensive to those who prefer to make up their own rules and are “playing church.”

A pastor’s job is to speak the truth in love and hold up God’s plumb line. It is a job that should not be taken lightly. In James 3:1, the Bible warns, “Let not many of you become teachers, my brethern, knowing that as such we shall incur a stricter judgement.”

Mitt Romney is a Mormon, not a Christian, but he is a moral man, and the difference between what he supports and what Obama supports could not be more dramatic.

There is no question that economic issues played a big part in this election as they should have. For far too long, this issue has been given little attention in the church, even among pastors who speak out on other issues.

Well, stealing is a moral issue, and taking our money under false pretenses and using it on things that are not constitutional is stealing!

Obama has put us hopelessly in debt, another issue strongly condemned in the Bible. His answer to our financial crisis is to keep spending, redistribute wealth and increase taxes.

While some see this as compassionate, they have not be educated on the difference between welfare and old-fashioned Christian charity. The former is cold and impersonal and leads to dependency. The latter is voluntarily given in love and leads to productivity.

Let’s be clear: This election was not won at the ballot box. It was lost in the church.

http://www.wnd.com/2...a-over-the-top/


Look into an organization called "The Sojourners" headed by a man named Rev. (and I use that term lightly) Jim Wallis. They are a huge part of the Obama Adnministrations Faith based Initiatives. They were tasked with infiltrating our Churches and spreading their Liberal form of Theology.

It's a very satanic mode of operation. You'll note that America is not being destroyed with an attack from without. It's degenerating from within. The same with the Church in the West. These folks deny the Word, Apostolic Authroity, and Historic Interpretation. Thus we find them in support of Homosexual Marriage, Abortion on demand, and Redistribution of Wealth. They call this Social Justice.


19.Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
~Matthew 7:19-23

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The One who loses here is Jesus. I will take Him every day over "Social Justice."

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No surprise here as the Republican platform reflects deeply held biblical values, and the Democratic platform does not.



It's a surprise to me that you can post that sentence without getting ill. The Rs platform reflects Biblical values? When? Where? They are for all the big spending, loose moral things the D's support; the Rs are simply better at pretending to uphold those values.

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No surprise here as the Republican platform reflects deeply held biblical values, and the Democratic platform does not.



It's a surprise to me that you can post that sentence without getting ill. The Rs platform reflects Biblical values? When? Where? They are for all the big spending, loose moral things the D's support; the Rs are simply better at pretending to uphold those values.


Sorry, but I can not find it in me to defend either party.

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No surprise here as the Republican platform reflects deeply held biblical values, and the Democratic platform does not.



It's a surprise to me that you can post that sentence without getting ill. The Rs platform reflects Biblical values? When? Where? They are for all the big spending, loose moral things the D's support; the Rs are simply better at pretending to uphold those values.


Both political parties pander to special interest groups - I hate to say it, but to the Rs, we Christians are just another "voting block" to be tossed a bone to during election season, then mostly ignored thereafter.

And while the dems are superb at keeping their voting blocks on the plantation - blacks 90%, latinos 60-70 percent, etc. - the repubs stink at it. I don't have the exact number off the top of my head, but a sizable portion of EVANGELICAL Christians deserted the GOP this time around.

If there ever is another national election in this country, look for both parties to ignore us altogether.

Blessings!
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EDIT: Duh! The number of evangelicals that deserted the GOP was right in the article. 21 percent.

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hmmm republicans and deep biblical values. Well, I suppose in comparison to the other side, that maybe, but I think by actual "biblical standards" even the republican party falls far short.

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Much has been written about the gap between religious and non-religious voters. Those who regularly attend religious services are more likely to vote for Republican candidates, and those who rarely or never attend religious services are much more likely to vote for Democrats.

No surprise here as the Republican platform reflects deeply held biblical values, and the Democratic platform does not.

The 2012 election was no different. Pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage Barack Obama lost among white evangelical Protestants and white Catholics. Nevertheless, more than 21 percent of the self-described “evangelicals” voted to re-elect this president, and that was enough to put Obama comfortably over the top.

While the Electoral College ultimately decides presidential elections, it appears that Obama’s margin in the popular vote was about 3 million votes. However, the number of self-described “evangelicals” who voted for Obama was around 6.4 million. You can do your own math.

While one may self-identify as Christian or Catholic, he or she may only occasionally or never attend church services, pray, read the Bible, etc. However, those who self-identify as evangelicals take the matter of religious observance seriously.

While there is no hard-fast definition of “evangelical,” generally they are Christians and Catholics who, at the very least, 1) believe in the centrality of the conversion or “born again” experience in receiving salvation; 2) believe in the authority of the Bible as God’s revelation to humanity; and 3) have a strong commitment to evangelism or sharing the Christian message.

So, what were these 6.4 million evangelicals who voted for Obama thinking or were they thinking at all? How did they square this circle?

How could they vote for a candidate who supports the wholesale killing of the most innocent among us when the Bible condemns the shedding of innocent blood?

How could they vote for a candidate who wants to dilute marriage by including unions between two men or two women when the Bible calls this practice an abomination?

No, you cannot legislate morality. However, in the last few decades, in our states and in this nation, we have legislated a lot of immorality.

There is no such thing as a value-free law or a value-free piece of legislation. Every bill that is passed and signed into law represents someone’s set of values. If we as evangelical Christians aren’t voting for candidates who support our values, somebody is.

In a democratic republic such as ours, the people who work the hardest are going to have their views expressed in the laws of the land. Laws impact behavior. That’s how it works!

Sadly, most pastors are not adequately preparing their flocks to be “salt and light” in the world. Yes, they read the Bible and they speak in generalities but they don’t address the moral issues that are being debated in the public square.

Maybe they don’t know how to begin, but more likely it is because they are afraid of offending some of their parishioners. The Bible – with its moral absolutes – is offensive to those who prefer to make up their own rules and are “playing church.”

A pastor’s job is to speak the truth in love and hold up God’s plumb line. It is a job that should not be taken lightly. In James 3:1, the Bible warns, “Let not many of you become teachers, my brethern, knowing that as such we shall incur a stricter judgement.”

Mitt Romney is a Mormon, not a Christian, but he is a moral man, and the difference between what he supports and what Obama supports could not be more dramatic.

There is no question that economic issues played a big part in this election as they should have. For far too long, this issue has been given little attention in the church, even among pastors who speak out on other issues.

Well, stealing is a moral issue, and taking our money under false pretenses and using it on things that are not constitutional is stealing!

Obama has put us hopelessly in debt, another issue strongly condemned in the Bible. His answer to our financial crisis is to keep spending, redistribute wealth and increase taxes.

While some see this as compassionate, they have not be educated on the difference between welfare and old-fashioned Christian charity. The former is cold and impersonal and leads to dependency. The latter is voluntarily given in love and leads to productivity.

Let’s be clear: This election was not won at the ballot box. It was lost in the church.

http://www.wnd.com/2...a-over-the-top/


Thanks for posting this. :thumbsup:

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Lol, and the sentiments being expressed in the last few posts perfectly reflect my first post about Christian political involvement. The message of Christ is not best served by weaving it into partisan politics. Making one party out to be demons and the other as saints confuses those we need to reach.


Just because the political partys are corrupt, which I have stated both are-is no reason christians shouldn't be involved. They are corrupt, BECAUSE To many christians sit on their high horse and refuse to get involved. Its been said the only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

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Lol, and the sentiments being expressed in the last few posts perfectly reflect my first post about Christian political involvement. The message of Christ is not best served by weaving it into partisan politics. Making one party out to be demons and the other as saints confuses those we need to reach.


Just because the political partys are corrupt, which I have stated both are-is no reason christians shouldn't be involved. They are corrupt, BECAUSE To many christians sit on their high horse and refuse to get involved. Its been said the only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.


So true, Patriot. I wish I knew how to get better candidates to run, I really do. We've got four years; any ideas? Anyone?

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well, for one if you know of a good solid christian interested in politics-encourage them. Second, stand up for your beliefs-whether it be in forums online or writing editorials to the paper over key issues, are a couple I can think of. Voting for the candidate each year whom you think best models good character, even if hes not "the popular" choice. By voting, sitting on the sidelines does nothing. And most of all, continue praying.

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Lol, and the sentiments being expressed in the last few posts perfectly reflect my first post about Christian political involvement. The message of Christ is not best served by weaving it into partisan politics. Making one party out to be demons and the other as saints confuses those we need to reach.


How Magnanimous and High Minded of you to exempt yourself from responsibility. Thanks.

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Lol, and the sentiments being expressed in the last few posts perfectly reflect my first post about Christian political involvement. The message of Christ is not best served by weaving it into partisan politics. Making one party out to be demons and the other as saints confuses those we need to reach.


And yet, despite your continuous bleatings that no Christian should involve themselves in politics, here you are involved in another political thread.

Again.

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Much has been written about the gap between religious and non-religious voters. Those who regularly attend religious services are more likely to vote for Republican candidates, and those who rarely or never attend religious services are much more likely to vote for Democrats.

This statement needs some support. Some of my firends that are quite religious felt compelled, given the choice, to vote for Obama; anything else for them was un-Christian.

No surprise here as the Republican platform reflects deeply held biblical values, and the Democratic platform does not.

As already addressed, this statement is off.

The 2012 election was no different. Pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage Barack Obama lost among white evangelical Protestants and white Catholics. Nevertheless, more than 21 percent of the self-described “evangelicals” voted to re-elect this president, and that was enough to put Obama comfortably over the top.

Can you see some other overriding Christian issue that might be responsible for this?

While the Electoral College ultimately decides presidential elections, it appears that Obama’s margin in the popular vote was about 3 million votes. However, the number of self-described “evangelicals” who voted for Obama was around 6.4 million. You can do your own math.

Yes, my math says that Christ adds certain convictions that go beyond the popular view of one's own kind.

While one may self-identify as Christian or Catholic, he or she may only occasionally or never attend church services, pray, read the Bible, etc. However, those who self-identify as evangelicals take the matter of religious observance seriously.

Their seriousness is no proof of their righteousness. The Pharisees were quite serious in their religiosity.

While there is no hard-fast definition of “evangelical,” generally they are Christians and Catholics who, at the very least, 1) believe in the centrality of the conversion or “born again” experience in receiving salvation; 2) believe in the authority of the Bible as God’s revelation to humanity; and 3) have a strong commitment to evangelism or sharing the Christian message.

This is also true of those who do not advertize they are Evangelicals.

So, what were these 6.4 million evangelicals who voted for Obama thinking or were they thinking at all? How did they square this circle?

Obviously in the same way that evagelicals who voted the other way: conviction by the HS.

How could they vote for a candidate who supports the wholesale killing of the most innocent among us when the Bible condemns the shedding of innocent blood?

This is where us Christians need discernment: American ideals are not Christians values. Abortion is the law of the land and equality, even for gay marriage, is an American ideal. We cannot have it both ways. Love America and thus agree with its ideals, or love God and his commands.

How could they vote for a candidate who wants to dilute marriage by including unions between two men or two women when the Bible calls this practice an abomination?

Same as the above response.

No, you cannot legislate morality. However, in the last few decades, in our states and in this nation, we have legislated a lot of immorality.

Not by the Constitution: choose.

There is no such thing as a value-free law or a value-free piece of legislation. Every bill that is passed and signed into law represents someone’s set of values. If we as evangelical Christians aren’t voting for candidates who support our values, somebody is.

This sentence says that if you don't vote for your values, somebody else does. Who are they? Besides that, isn't that a good thing. And why aren't you voting for your values?

In a democratic republic such as ours, the people who work the hardest are going to have their views expressed in the laws of the land. Laws impact behavior. That’s how it works!

This sentence is rather bizzare. How hard do CEOs work? What does hard work have anything to do with passing laws? Laws do not impact behaviors, except to criminalize it, drive it underground. Outlawing alcohol drastically increased its consumption, as has laws against drugs.

Sadly, most pastors are not adequately preparing their flocks to be “salt and light” in the world. Yes, they read the Bible and they speak in generalities but they don’t address the moral issues that are being debated in the public square.

The moral issues being debated in the public square have very little to do with the way of Christ.

Maybe they don’t know how to begin, but more likely it is because they are afraid of offending some of their parishioners. The Bible – with its moral absolutes – is offensive to those who prefer to make up their own rules and are “playing church.”

Moral absolutes? This is just more Law-keeping. Christ is the absolute, in whom we are to remain hidden, in whom we ar to live and move and have our being,as He is the standard-bearer.

A pastor’s job is to speak the truth in love and hold up God’s plumb line. It is a job that should not be taken lightly. In James 3:1, the Bible warns, “Let not many of you become teachers, my brethern, knowing that as such we shall incur a stricter judgement.”

Again, Christ is the plumb line, not Law. By grace and the power of the HS we move and act.

Mitt Romney is a Mormon, not a Christian, but he is a moral man, and the difference between what he supports and what Obama supports could not be more dramatic.

There is no morality or values outside of Christ. The US of A does not recognize Christ as Lord and Savior, so it is not Christian. Being more moral is of no consequence if one does not accept Christ as put forth in the NT.

There is no question that economic issues played a big part in this election as they should have. For far too long, this issue has been given little attention in the church, even among pastors who speak out on other issues.

Well, stealing is a moral issue, and taking our money under false pretenses and using it on things that are not constitutional is stealing!

What, praytell, are our taxes being used for that which is both unconstitutional and a false pretense?

Obama has put us hopelessly in debt, another issue strongly condemned in the Bible. His answer to our financial crisis is to keep spending, redistribute wealth and increase taxes.

This debt cycle started with Bush; under Clinton policies there was a surplus, and that included taxing the rich. The economy was booming. Bush policies about cutting spending AND reducing taxes on the wealthy, nearly destroyed this country. The so-called "trickle down effect" never happened. De-regulation of Wall Street and Banks was a license for greed and pushed us to the brink. Obama faced the worst possible hole to fill, and had a Congress that blocked him at every turn after 2010.

While some see this as compassionate, they have not be educated on the difference between welfare and old-fashioned Christian charity. The former is cold and impersonal and leads to dependency. The latter is voluntarily given in love and leads to productivity.

True.

Let’s be clear: This election was not won at the ballot box. It was lost in the church.

http://www.wnd.com/2...a-over-the-top/


And again.

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I regard it with intense interest and quite a bit of curiosity that ANYONE who claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ could vote for an antichrist.......

Weak as water "Discipleship Programs" and poor teaching throughout the Body of Christ are clearly to blame.

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Hmmm. And who do you think is an anti-christ, and what justification do you have?

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I regard it with intense interest and quite a bit of curiosity that ANYONE who claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ could vote for an antichrist.......

Weak as water "Discipleship Programs" and poor teaching throughout the Body of Christ are clearly to blame.


You believe the President is an antichrist? Or THE antichrist?

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Hmmm. And who do you think is an anti-christ, and what justification do you have?


Jesus said: "I saw satan fall as (Aramaic words now) barak u'bama....."
Jesus saying so, and the Moslem 'death cult' he supports politically are clearly antichrist.




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