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I have to tell you guys what my mom said, it has had me thinking a bit. I told her how I feel about the moral decline of the Country and even the church, she said she voted for Obama and she is a liberal, she told me that it is the woman's right to choose what she does with her body I said "OH! She wants to abort her OWN body? That's fine then!" she didn't like that at all! Well, anyways, a long story even longer....we both did agree that our country is becoming corrupt and it has been going down hill since about the time they started taking God out of everything. She said that we are in the downward part of a 50 year cycle, and that every 50 years things get bad, then people get their stuff together and things get better again.

So, basically my question is this; are we just in a 50 year cycle in which things will get better again after we reach a new low? Or are we really in the end times?

I have a feeling it could be either way, maybe if things get bad enough, maybe if some new law passes that is absolutely corrupt people will stand up, or government will wake up and repent. Maybe that is just wishful thinking. Anyone here over 50? How were things growing up?

Thanks!

Natalie

P.s. My mom acknowledges that abortion is murder of a baby....she didn't even say fetus she said BABY! She KNOWS it is murder, but she thinks it is okay. This left me almost speechless, because usually half the battle with pro-choicers is getting them to acknowledge it is a human life you are killing. She said "I know" then I said "Well, good thing my mom didn't feel that way." I am adopted. Okay end of rant! But you can see how I don't fit in with my family anymore, they are basically all like this! Except for my grammy who is conservative christian like me, (the family mocks her behind her back as well)

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That is the first I have ever heard about a 50 year cycle. Being near 60, I have seen no turn around, but further decay.

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My mom acknowledges that abortion is murder of a baby....she didn't even say fetus she said BABY! She KNOWS it is murder, but she thinks it is okay. This left me almost speechless, because usually half the battle with pro-choicers is getting them to acknowledge it is a human life you are killing.

I truly believe that all pro-choice people know it's a baby being killed. They simply don't care.

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We are in a general state of decline. Globalization is the problem as far as economics go. Even Andrew Carnegie advocated protectionist measures to keep America's economy strong. TV has been the main impetus in the transculturation of America. The family unit is becoming a thing of the past.

Revolutionary Antonio Gramsci, stresses the destruction of the family, organized religion, and the culture in order to sustain the new political order. Their mantra, destroy the culture, capture the state.

Rudi Dutscke described the process as "the long march through the institutions+--the conquest of universities, schools, the news media, entertainment, churches and other religious bodies, and institutions.

Michael Walzer in the Marxist journal Dissent was celebrating their successes against Western culture and pointed to the impact of feminism, gay rights, cultural pluralism, the change in family structure, rising divorce rates, changing sexual mores, abortion, successes in limiting gun rights, and the fading of Christianity from the public sphere.1

The last days have been ongoing since the time of the Messiah's first advent. Though many believe that the tribulation is just around the corner I do not expect the Messiahs second advent until the 2100s.

From the Commentary on Habakkuk scroll:

"For a prophecy testifies of a specific period; it speaks of that time and does not deceive' (2:3a). This means that the Last Days will be long, much longer than the prophets had said, for God's revelations are truly mysterious. If it tarries, be patient, it will surely come true and not be delayed."2

1William Norman Grigg, "A Method to the Madness: Behind the many maddening attacks on America's popular culture is Italian Communist theoretician Antonio Gramsci's strategy for achieving the total state," The New American, 23 October 2000

2Michael Wise, Martin Abegg, Jr., & Edward Cook, Dead Sea Scrolls: A New Translation, (San Francisco:Harper) 119.

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Michael Walzer in the Marxist journal Dissent was celebrating their successes against Western culture and pointed to the impact of feminism, gay rights, cultural pluralism, the change in family structure, rising divorce rates, changing sexual mores, abortion, successes in limiting gun rights, and the fading of Christianity from the public sphere.

The "celebration" won't last long. Life is short and God's wrath awaits.

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Yah, my mom is in her mid 60's I think she is like 65. We barely agree on anything.

I will keep my eyes on Israel, they are God's timepiece.

Thanks peeps!

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I am older than 50 and I can tell you the life I lived in my youth was nothing like it is today.

I believe we have lost the favor of God because this country has turned it's back on Him.

Don't look for things to get better after 50 years, not this time.

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i know there's a 20 year fashion cycle, but a 50 year moral cycle? i don't think so.

we're on a steady decline, with a ring-side seat to the unfolding of prophecy.

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america has never been a perfect moral bastion. it was the church that shined brightly in america

when america was founded; slavery was allowed, the indians were second class and only whites could vote. it wasnt perfect but the church did believe and in general judeo christian values were liked. the churched changed slavery and also prostution and the treatment of indians ., i think.

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I am 59 years old, and I know the America of my youth is gone.

Now, before I go further - let me say the America of my youth included segregated schools, restrooms and water fountains (which are things of our past). So not all change has been negative.

There has always been hedonism - even here in the U.S. Way before my time, but supposedly the 1920s (the "roaring 20s) were pretty lawless, morally loose and violent. People forget this, but movies were pretty explicit until the Hayes Code was adopted in the early 30s.

Economics (affluence) plays a large role in the morality of society, it seems. Generally, the more affluent, the more libertine the society is. (You even see this in Scripture)

There is a difference this time, however. The Great Depression on the 30s (following the hedonistic 20s) saw little crime and violence. There was an inherent morality in society, I think, even with those who claimed no Christianity. No one expected something for nothing. While there was little work to be had, most people expected to have to "do something" if they were to receive anything.

THAT inherent societal morality is what is non-existent today. We do have a sizable number of folks who feel "entitled." We do have those who expect freebies - whether they work or not.

So - if we have a collapse on the scale of the Great Depression - I do not believe we will see the same level of low crime, etc., we saw then.

Blessings!

-Ed

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ya know i had to explain what betty boop was to my step daughter as she collects betty boop memorabilia. i defined what a flapper was and why the waltz was so bad at the time

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To understand my position you might want to read about the Priest Nations of the past, [also called Client Nations],

the first of which was Israel. See Exodus 19:6.

Israel was a Priest Nation to God five different times. You can read about it here:

http://kukis.org/Doctrines/clientnation.htm#Israel%20is%20the%20key%20to%20all%20client%20nations

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If 50 year cycles were a truth then it ought to be able to be seen in the history of Israel as written in the Holy Scriptures. It isn't legitimate. Satan deceives whole peoples over time always causing them to err worse and worse until God judges them. Considering Gods patience, the cycle is more like a 2000 year cycle.

Gary

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If 50 year cycles were a truth then it ought to be able to be seen in the history of Israel as written in the Holy Scriptures. It isn't legitimate. Satan deceives whole peoples over time always causing them to err worse and worse until God judges them. Considering Gods patience, the cycle is more like a 2000 year cycle.

Gary

sooo....you're saying there's a chance!

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If 50 year cycles were a truth then it ought to be able to be seen in the history of Israel as written in the Holy Scriptures. It isn't legitimate. Satan deceives whole peoples over time always causing them to err worse and worse until God judges them. Considering Gods patience, the cycle is more like a 2000 year cycle.

Gary

sooo....you're saying there's a chance!

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I have to tell you guys what my mom said, it has had me thinking a bit. I told her how I feel about the moral decline of the Country and even the church, she said she voted for Obama and she is a liberal, she told me that it is the woman's right to choose what she does with her body I said "OH! She wants to abort her OWN body? That's fine then!" she didn't like that at all! Well, anyways, a long story even longer....we both did agree that our country is becoming corrupt and it has been going down hill since about the time they started taking God out of everything. She said that we are in the downward part of a 50 year cycle, and that every 50 years things get bad, then people get their stuff together and things get better again.

So, basically my question is this; are we just in a 50 year cycle in which things will get better again after we reach a new low? Or are we really in the end times?

I have a feeling it could be either way, maybe if things get bad enough, maybe if some new law passes that is absolutely corrupt people will stand up, or government will wake up and repent. Maybe that is just wishful thinking. Anyone here over 50? How were things growing up?

Thanks!

Natalie

P.s. My mom acknowledges that abortion is murder of a baby....she didn't even say fetus she said BABY! She KNOWS it is murder, but she thinks it is okay. This left me almost speechless, because usually half the battle with pro-choicers is getting them to acknowledge it is a human life you are killing. She said "I know" then I said "Well, good thing my mom didn't feel that way." I am adopted. Okay end of rant! But you can see how I don't fit in with my family anymore, they are basically all like this! Except for my grammy who is conservative christian like me, (the family mocks her behind her back as well)

The 50 year cycle you refer to was meant to end in what was called the year of jubilee. Debts were to be forgiven, indentured servitude was to be ended, real estate was to revert to its original inheritance, land was to be given a rest from cultivation and so on. The year of jubilee was meant to reset the direction of society, to enable everything to begin again with a fresh start. It was meant to be a time of mercy.

But men are not merciful. They do not wish to let go of that which they believe is of benefit or profit to them. As a result the Bible records that the years of jubilee were ignored. As time went on the pile of debt, slavery and acquisition of real estate in OT Israel became so great that God was forced to intervene. His intervention resulted in a total and complete devastation of the land and its people. Some scholars claim that the years spent in Babylon were a total of all the years of jubilee that were ignored. I haven't made the count myself, but it sounds like a reasonable conclusion.

The leading post in this thread mentions the overt sin of murder - abortion. No jubilee year can restore life to those from whom it has been taken. Such acts may inspire severe reaction from Heaven. The sins of homosexuality and God's true attitude about it have been very explicitly mentioned in the Bible, yet men today ignore it in nearly every country on earth. Will the Most High sit idly by and wink at this aberration of nature? I am over 50 and I no longer believe that the government of the United States has any intention whatsoever to respect God or His wishes.

If God does not judge America, then He owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology.

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

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I just finished reading Job last night....wow! He sure did complain...alot! But I understand why. But what I thought was interesting was when God was talking to him about how He controls the weather and uses it for judgment or mercy, God spoke alot about His control over the weather in that part. It was really eye opening! I felt very humbled, and a bit scared!

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I just finished reading Job last night....wow! He sure did complain...alot! But I understand why. But what I thought was interesting was when God was talking to him about how He controls the weather and uses it for judgment or mercy, God spoke alot about His control over the weather in that part. It was really eye opening! I felt very humbled, and a bit scared!

You do well to meditate upon this passage, for He who made the storm cease on the Sea of Galilee is the same who can raise it up for destruction. Yet He is merciful to those who know Him and DO His words. Remember the words of the angels on the day Jesus was born.

"Glory to God in the highest, and on Earth peace among men with whom He is pleased."

- Luke 2:14

The passage does not include all men, as the world mistakenly believes, but only certain ones.

I once served in the Navy and spent several years at sea. During those years I experienced the mercy of God in the midst of hurricanes and the very real possibility of loss and death. But God was merciful and in those times I learned that every hurricane has a peaceful eye. If God wishes you peace, then you will stand in that eye and see all the world around you falling to pieces.

Today I live in Florida and have stood in my yard and watched the eye of a hurricane pass over my home. We suffered only the loss of a couple of screens while whole communities around us were devastated. I cannot say here that this deliverance will continue indefinitely, but I do know that God will provide a way of escape and peace in the midst of terror and destruction. One only needs to stand and watch His deliverance. It is an amazing thing to see the deliverance of God - and I have seen it many many times. He has never left us or forsaken us - EVER.

Fear not. Only stand in that way in which He has shown you. If you do this you will never suffer the loss of the most valuable thing in the world - the fellowship and mercy and grace of the Almighty.

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

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I just finished reading Job last night....wow! He sure did complain...alot! But I understand why. But what I thought was interesting was when God was talking to him about how He controls the weather and uses it for judgment or mercy, God spoke alot about His control over the weather in that part. It was really eye opening! I felt very humbled, and a bit scared!

You do well to meditate upon this passage, for He who made the storm cease on the Sea of Galilee is the same who can raise it up for destruction. Yet He is merciful to those who know Him and DO His words. Remember the words of the angels on the day Jesus was born.

"Glory to God in the highest, and on Earth peace among men with whom He is pleased."

- Luke 2:14

The passage does not include all men, as the world mistakenly believes, but only certain ones.

I once served in the Navy and spent several years at sea. During those years I experienced the mercy of God in the midst of hurricanes and the very real possibility of loss and death. But God was merciful and in those times I learned that every hurricane has a peaceful eye. If God wishes you peace, then you will stand in that eye and see all the world around you falling to pieces.

Today I live in Florida and have stood in my yard and watched the eye of a hurricane pass over my home. We suffered only the loss of a couple of screens while whole communities around us were devastated. I cannot say here that this deliverance will continue indefinitely, but I do know that God will provide a way of escape and peace in the midst of terror and destruction. One only needs to stand and watch His deliverance. It is an amazing thing to see the deliverance of God - and I have seen it many many times. He has never left us or forsaken us - EVER.

Fear not. Only stand in that way in which He has shown you. If you do this you will never suffer the loss of the most valuable thing in the world - the fellowship and mercy and grace of the Almighty.

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

The most amazing piece of truth I have ever had the privilege of seeing you post. +1

Gary

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The decline of morality is a product of the growth of government. The size of government is not cyclic.

I believe that this idea is in grave error. The decline of morality is a product, not of the growth of the government, but of the decline and fall of individuals from God's standards. What is the government but a group of individuals? If this individuals follow God's Laws, then there will be Morality in the nation, if not, then the opposite is true. The government cannot legislate morality; it cannot force people to do what is right (where law abounds, sin abounds more). Individuals, however, can choose to do what is right; they can "legislate morality" in their own lives.

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Michael Walzer in the Marxist journal Dissent was celebrating their successes against Western culture and pointed to the impact of feminism, gay rights, cultural pluralism, the change in family structure, rising divorce rates, changing sexual mores, abortion, successes in limiting gun rights, and the fading of Christianity from the public sphere.

The "celebration" won't last long. Life is short and God's wrath awaits.

Yeah...Magog. John warned of this, but today's Believer simply doesn't want to hear it. All the things written in the sentence above are the orders of Chief Prince Gog himself, and being carried out by Magog, his godless hordes. And they WILL come for us one day, and when they do, fire will fall from heaven and consume them all. (And Believers will be either resurrected from teh grave or metamorphosed (changed). That event will occur on the last day. See...eschatology is simple.

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Here is a 50 year cycle... (one that makes sense to me...)

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Here is a 50 year cycle... (one that makes sense to me...)

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Now, now Fez don't be egoistic, one should always use a cycle made for two!

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The decline of morality is a product of the growth of government.

Actually the opposite is true. The growth of government is because of a decline in morality.

Crime is up, terror is up, create a new department, fill it with posts, fund it, the list is endless. Porn, abortion, tax evasion, forced labor, all a decline in morality, all needing bigger and better departments to "control" them.

Umm, the bible is not cyclical. It has a start time and an end time, and if only it was our only blueprint, the decline in morality would not be an issue.

God's government is all we need. But we are blind.

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