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Good, that was an excellent case of intentially lousy reporting and made the chancws of him getting a fair trial slim

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Good, that was an excellent case of intentionally lousy reporting and made the chances of him getting a fair trial slim

I'll add that even if he's found innocent his life is pretty much wrecked anyway after what the media pulled. I hope he wins a huge enough award that it hits the network in the only place they care about: the wallet.

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I hope he doesnt win anything. While I do agree that the media did a terrible job, and wanted to make this into a race war, I still believe that it is due to his foolish acts that Martin is dead.

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I think the media needs to be held to account for deliberate false reporting. Who will do this aside from the court of litigation ?

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I hope he doesnt win anything. While I do agree that the media did a terrible job, and wanted to make this into a race war, I still believe that it is due to his foolish acts that Martin is dead.

It doesnt matter if he was guilty, two wrongs dont make a right. What the media did is wrong, and he is an american and garenteed a fair trial-which now is next to impossible to do. And what if your wrong-what if Zimmerman was in the right? now, even if found innocent-like walla said, his life will have that shadow brought over him. Even if Zimmerman was in the wrong, he is still supposed to have a fair trial, and the media twisting the facts like that is wrong. The media needs to be held in account, if zimmerman is guilty, so does he, but its not fair to judge a man from someone elses wrong actions-which is what a good portion of America, has been doing. Judgement based on a lie, which is what the media did-distorting the truth is a lie-is not a fair judgement, Zimmerman needs a fair trial, not one where the jury is made up of people who are going in already biased against the guy thanks to the media. If you were in his shoes, you wouldnt like it either.

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I hope he doesnt win anything. While I do agree that the media did a terrible job, and wanted to make this into a race war, I still believe that it is due to his foolish acts that Martin is dead.

It doesnt matter if he was guilty, two wrongs dont make a right. What the media did is wrong, and he is an american and garenteed a fair trial-which now is next to impossible to do. And what if your wrong-what if Zimmerman was in the right? now, even if found innocent-like walla said, his life will have that shadow brought over him. Even if Zimmerman was in the wrong, he is still supposed to have a fair trial, and the media twisting the facts like that is wrong. The media needs to be held in account, if zimmerman is guilty, so does he, but its not fair to judge a man from someone elses wrong actions-which is what a good portion of America, has been doing. Judgement based on a lie, which is what the media did-distorting the truth is a lie-is not a fair judgement, Zimmerman needs a fair trial, not one where the jury is made up of people who are going in already biased against the guy thanks to the media. If you were in his shoes, you wouldnt like it either.

Yep, many Americans deserve a fair trial but don't get it. So I don't feel sorry for him in that aspect.

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so, just because other americans dont get a fair trial, its ok not to give him one? thats pretty cold hearted. Im sorry, but just because other americans didnt get what they deserved doesnt make it right for him not to-if two wrongs dont make a right, neither do 3.

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so, just because other americans dont get a fair trial, its ok not to give him one? thats pretty cold hearted. Im sorry, but just because other americans didnt get what they deserved doesnt make it right for him not to-if two wrongs dont make a right, neither do 3.

Naah, I'm just using your terms. You said he is American, so he should get a fair trail. In that case I don't feel sorry for him. He should get a fair trial because that is what the law says and for no other reason. Like I said I don't feel sorry for him because he is and American. I don't feel sorry for him at all. Honestly how do we know he wont get a fair trial. He hasn't had a trial yet.

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because, because of that horrible media story, that left out half the facts, (like the fact that he did show signs of being attacked) and twisted the ones they did post. It created so much controversey, that by now, everyone, like you, is already biased for, or against Zimmerman, and it would be hard to find a jury that isnt biased one way or the other. A jury, preferably, is made up of people that have no prior knowledge of the person being accused-that way, it helps remove biases, because biases cloud judgement. In this case, finding a group of such people is next to impossible-if the jury is made up of people who already think hes guilty, then they will go in thinking hes guilty, and even if he is innocent, the jury view is going to be very biased against him, and could very well end up sending a innocent man to prison.

The reverse is also true, if the jury is all biased in thinking hes innocent, then again they will go in with a tainted view-and hes actually guilty, then theres the risk of letting a guilty man free.

The only way to really "ensure" a fair trial right now is to try and split it down the middle-find half the jury who is biased against, and half who is biased for. The problem with that is it could end in a deadlock and create a mess, so no matter the outcome, a biased jury isnt justice, I dont care which way its biased for. Even if the jury goes in biased that hes guilty, and he actually is guilty, its still not justice-because they will send him to jail not because of the evidence or what he actually did, but because they are biased, which isnt justice.

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The media slandared Zimmerman and purposesly tried to paint it has a race incident before any evidence was in, and one person tried to doctor the 911 recording to that end. NBC should have book thrown at them. What they did was essentially slander and libel. Martin wasn't some innocent black kid skipping down the street eating skittles and it was Martin who started the brawl.

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I would ask you, how do you know who started the fight?

With one of the two parties dead, we'll never know for sure. One has to judge simply on the credibility of Zimmerman's testimony.

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I heard that Martin was just jogging through a Gated Community for exercise just like alot of folks do. I mean sure, he was wearing a dark colored hoodie, there had been previous break-ins in the community, and he was acting suspiciously. What's that supposed to mean anyway? Of course Zimmerman is guilty and a racist. I mean, it wasn't like he was hired as a Security Officer for the community or anything like that. Afterall, he did make a big deal out of Martins race when he reported the incident, :44: as was required by law. He deserves not only a broken nose, a huge gash to his head, and a threat to his life, but also to lose his livelyhood and reputration for the rest of his life, as well as, to be summarily jailed. :duh::doh::crosseyed:

In fact, forget the law! We need Social Justice and we need it now! I am my brothers Savior!

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I would ask you, how do you know who started the fight?

With one of the two parties dead, we'll never know for sure. One has to judge simply on the credibility of Zimmerman's testimony.

This is very true. When judging the credibility of Zimmerman's testimony, does that mean that one must also judge the credibility of Zimmerman?

Could you be a bit more specific?

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I would ask you, how do you know who started the fight?

With one of the two parties dead, we'll never know for sure. One has to judge simply on the credibility of Zimmerman's testimony.

This is very true. When judging the credibility of Zimmerman's testimony, does that mean that one must also judge the credibility of Zimmerman?

Could you be a bit more specific?

In your opinion, are Zimmerman's actions both before and after the event but not tied directly to that night fair game in determining his credibility

How much before? That's like saying if he told a lie when he was 10 years old, it means he's lying now.

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The media slandared Zimmerman and purposesly tried to paint it has a race incident before any evidence was in, and one person tried to doctor the 911 recording to that end. NBC should have book thrown at them. What they did was essentially slander and libel. Martin wasn't some innocent black kid skipping down the street eating skittles and it was Martin who started the brawl.

You just did the exact same you blame the media for with lines like your last sentence. What Martin was or wasn't has no bearing on anything. And it is your assumption that Martin started anything. But lets keep it on track. You are correct that the media tried to make it into a racial killing when it wasn't one. That was the biggest issue, and what made the story swell. It should have never been a race issue.

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I heard that Martin was just jogging through a Gated Community for exercise just like alot of folks do. I mean sure, he was wearing a dark colored hoodie, there had been previous break-ins in the community, and he was acting suspiciously. What's that supposed to mean anyway? Of course Zimmerman is guilty and a racist. I mean, it wasn't like he was hired as a Security Officer for the community or anything like that. Afterall, he did make a big deal out of Martins race when he reported the incident, :44: as was required by law. He deserves not only a broken nose, a huge gash to his head, and a threat to his life, but also to lose his livelyhood and reputration for the rest of his life, as well as, to be summarily jailed. :duh::doh::crosseyed:

In fact, forget the law! We need Social Justice and we need it now! I am my brothers Savior!

Eh...what is this about. You do realize that Martin had every right to be there because his fathers girlfriend lived there right? Or have you overlooked that fact?

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no im not making the same assumption, nor am I saying who was in the right. Im saying, the media took it, left off half the facts, and twisted the ones left to make Zimmerman to look like this big, racial murderer who killed martin just because he was black. Add into that the lousy police investigation, and it turns into a mess. Im saying, regardless of whether or not zimmerman was guilty or not, the media has turned it into such a fiasco it would be difficult for Zimmerman to get a fair trial, regardless, and that thats not right-the media, in all their stupidity, has pretty much trampled over Zimmermans rights, which are he is innocent until proven guilty, and he has a right to a fair trial by a jury of his peers.

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I heard that Martin was just jogging through a Gated Community for exercise just like alot of folks do. I mean sure, he was wearing a dark colored hoodie, there had been previous break-ins in the community, and he was acting suspiciously. What's that supposed to mean anyway? Of course Zimmerman is guilty and a racist. I mean, it wasn't like he was hired as a Security Officer for the community or anything like that. Afterall, he did make a big deal out of Martins race when he reported the incident, :44: as was required by law. He deserves not only a broken nose, a huge gash to his head, and a threat to his life, but also to lose his livelyhood and reputration for the rest of his life, as well as, to be summarily jailed. :duh::doh::crosseyed:

In fact, forget the law! We need Social Justice and we need it now! I am my brothers Savior!

Eh...what is this about. You do realize that Martin had every right to be there because his fathers girlfriend lived there right? Or have you overlooked that fact?

I personally think Zimmerman should hang. He's obviously a racist pig. :whistling:

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I heard that Martin was just jogging through a Gated Community for exercise just like alot of folks do. I mean sure, he was wearing a dark colored hoodie, there had been previous break-ins in the community, and he was acting suspiciously. What's that supposed to mean anyway? Of course Zimmerman is guilty and a racist. I mean, it wasn't like he was hired as a Security Officer for the community or anything like that. Afterall, he did make a big deal out of Martins race when he reported the incident, :44: as was required by law. He deserves not only a broken nose, a huge gash to his head, and a threat to his life, but also to lose his livelyhood and reputration for the rest of his life, as well as, to be summarily jailed. :duh::doh::crosseyed:

In fact, forget the law! We need Social Justice and we need it now! I am my brothers Savior!

Eh...what is this about. You do realize that Martin had every right to be there because his fathers girlfriend lived there right? Or have you overlooked that fact?

I personally think Zimmerman should hang. He's obviously a racist pig. :whistling:

Wow Dave very mature of you. Hope we actually discuss this without the outlandish sarcasm, or am I expecting too much. Once again. You do realize that Martin had every right to be there because his Father's girlfriend lived there right?

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no im not making the same assumption, nor am I saying who was in the right. Im saying, the media took it, left off half the facts, and twisted the ones left to make Zimmerman to look like this big, racial murderer who killed martin just because he was black. Add into that the lousy police investigation, and it turns into a mess. Im saying, regardless of whether or not zimmerman was guilty or not, the media has turned it into such a fiasco it would be difficult for Zimmerman to get a fair trial, regardless, and that thats not right-the media, in all their stupidity, has pretty much trampled over Zimmermans rights, which are he is innocent until proven guilty, and he has a right to a fair trial by a jury of his peers.

I can agree with this.

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however, the sarcasm brings outa good point-yes martin had a right to be there, however, zimmerman-didnt know this, point 1. Point 2, martin, did have a history of drugs and violence. Point 3, zimmerman, had a right to be there as well. Point 4, zimmerman was assaulted-the evidence does point to that. Now, we dont know he was assaulted first, but the fact is zimmerman HAD a gun, if he just wanted to shoot the guy, then there would have been no evidence of zimmerman being attacked-no scrapes along the back of the head.

Now, its night, martin was not dressed like most people of the neighborhood, and was by all reports-acting a little suspicious, so its very possible that Zimmerman actually thought he was up to no good. The argument isnt who had a right to be there, but who threw the first punch-which, even without the medias intervention is hard to say because the police did such a lousy investigation (which just fueled the controversey) they didnt even confiscate the gun-which is rule number one ANY time theres a shooting, regardless of the situation.

My honest opinion, Zimmerman was out doing his neighborhood watch thing-and was a little zealous, and saw this guy acting suspicious and started following him. Martin, especially with his past, saw he was being followed, got jumpy and started trying to evade not knowing who zimmerman was. Then zimmerman called the cops-not a bad thing, thats what your supposed to do if you feel somethings up, but then he made the mistake of getting out of the car. If he hadnt, and let the cops deal with it, this wouldnt of happened-the cops wouldve dealt with it, but instead he chose to be over zealous, and get out of the car-and martin, already paranoid thinks zimmermans after him, but instead of calling the police himself, assaults him, which leads to him being shot. That is my personal opinion from what Ive seen, I dont know all the evidence, Im sure it hasnt all been released, and in the end thats what the judge and jury will decide. That is my opinion, in any case. Im not convinced either one had it in for the other, it was a combination of zimmerman being overzealous and martin being overly paranoid.

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however, the sarcasm brings outa good point-yes martin had a right to be there, however, zimmerman-didnt know this, point 1. Point 2, martin, did have a history of drugs and violence. Point 3, zimmerman, had a right to be there as well. Point 4, zimmerman was assaulted-the evidence does point to that. Now, we dont know he was assaulted first, but the fact is zimmerman HAD a gun, if he just wanted to shoot the guy, then there would have been no evidence of zimmerman being attacked-no scrapes along the back of the head.

Point 1) Doesnt matter if zimmerman didn't know. Martin was walking home, and somehow zimmerman took this as suspicious. So he did the right thing at first, then wrong things afterwards.

Point 2) doesnt matter. HIs history had no bearing that night, he was walking home minding his own business.

Point 3) Not valid. Too many people try to harp on this "gated community theory".

Point 4) We did see pictures, but long after an already terrible investigation But lets say those pictures are valid, they show also that Zimmerman disregarded neighborhood watch protocol. But as you say we don't know how the scuffle began, but we do know there was one.

Now, its night, martin was not dressed like most people of the neighborhood, and was by all reports-acting a little suspicious, so its very possible that Zimmerman actually thought he was up to no good. The argument isnt who had a right to be there, but who threw the first punch-which, even without the medias intervention is hard to say because the police did such a lousy investigation (which just fueled the controversey) they didnt even confiscate the gun-which is rule number one ANY time theres a shooting, regardless of the situation.

I'm not sure how many of you all have stayed in Flordia, but a hoodie in Feburary is not out of the ordinary. The only reports are by Zimmerman who said that he was suspicious, so that proves nothing. Him walking home in a hoodie does not make him suspicious. Actually, Martins right to be there is huge. As I said, this seems to be a major harping point from many who love to overlook that.

I'll leave the opinions of the other stuff alone. I have my feelings that I made known when it was being discussed here. As far as the media goes. The blew the whole incident out of proportion I wonder if this wasn't initially made into a race issue if people would still have the same feelings about how Zimmerman conducted him self.

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Point 1 is valid. If your driving home, and you see a strange man you dont know-dressed like a ganster, especially in an area where you don't see many people dressed like that, it could very well be suspicious. I agree, he should have just called the cops and stayed back-the cops could then come in, and check the guys ID and story, and if hes got a right to be there, no harm done, if he is up to something wrong then again, the cops can handle it. We can both agree, Zimmerman should have never gotten out of the car. Call the cops, and let them deal with it-thats not a violation of anyones rights, and it is playing safe, thats what the police are there for.

Point 2 it does matter because it goes to frame of mind. A honest person with no criminal history, when seeing someone follow them will flee the scene, and call the cops. Someone with a criminal past, often hate cops, and prefer to handle situations themselves, even if they arnt doing anything wrong that day. This guy did initially try to shake zimmerman-which could have raised zimmermans suspicions, but then chose to confront zimmerman when he got out of the car. If he had tried to flee, and zimmerman did want to kill him, then martin would have been shot in the back and there would be no scrapes or bruises, and if zimmerman was honest and he tried to flee, we wouldnt be having this discussion. Its pretty apparent, that martin would rather confront danger himself then do what the average citizen would do, and call the cops, its a pretty common mindset among people with his criminal history-I used to work in a correctional center, I know a lot of people like that. Im not necessarily judging him-but it is a general mindset, they think the cops are all out to get them.

excuse me, but point 3 is valid-this is a free country, if martin had a right to be there, then so did zimmerman. End of story. This isnt about "gated community" or any of that nonsense. Martin had the right to be there-but so did zimmerman, and zimmerman also had the right to call the cops if he saw anything suspicious, his mistake, was getting out of the car.

Point 4, ive already agreed the police investigation was lousy from the start, those officers should be fired for their lousy investigation. There were scrapes, and signs of a struggle however. So this wasnt just a zimmerman jump out and kill a guy-something more went on. I still hold to my theory that it was a case of a over zealous self appointed neighborhood watchman, who made a few mistakes, combined with a overly paranoid person, that led to a fight, and then a death.

And hoodies may indeed be popular in florida-theyre popular everywhere, but look where he was. Even where I live there are people who wear hoodies-but for example, in downtown you see a lot of them, its pretty common. You see some dude at night with a hoodie in some of our richer neighborhoods however, it looks suspicious-in fact, in the neighborhood by our golf course which is the richest in town-you see anyone walking around at night, it tends to look a little suspicious, it doesnt happen very often. The point is, something about martin aroused suspicion on zimmermans part-because there is no evidence to date that zimmerman knew the guy-and zimmerman, first called the cops-which he had the right to do, and then got out of the car, which was stupid, no matter how you look at it. Even if martin was up to no good, stepping out of the car just puts you in harms way for no good reason-martin wasnt actively threatening anyone at the time.

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Point 1 is valid. If your driving home, and you see a strange man you dont know-dressed like a ganster,

Now he is dressed like a gangster. LOL. Wearing a hoodie, does not mean one is dressed like a gangster. I wear one to work. All black too. .

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it does matter because it goes to frame of mind. A honest person with no criminal history, when seeing someone follow them will flee the scene, and call the cops

Then Zimmermans violent history comes into play as well. I see you excluded that from any of your points.

excuse me, but point 3 is valid-this is a free country, if martin had a right to be there, then so did zimmerman. End of story. This isnt about "gated community" or any of that nonsense. Martin had the right to be there-but so did zimmerman, and zimmerman also had the right to call the cops if he saw anything suspicious, his mistake, was getting out of the car.

Your point in not valid because no one is arguing Zmmermans right to be there. Martins right to be there is the only one that has come into question, and his right to be there is often still ignored.

Point 4, ive already agreed the police investigation was lousy from the start, those officers should be fired for their lousy investigation. There were scrapes, and signs of a struggle however. So this wasnt just a zimmerman jump out and kill a guy-something more went on. I still hold to my theory that it was a case of a over zealous self appointed neighborhood watchman, who made a few mistakes, combined with a overly paranoid person, that led to a fight, and then a death.

We both agree on the terrible police investigation, so its hard to actually believe they did their job and took pictures. We can say for a fact that Zimmerman was overzealous, but we cant say that Martin was paranoid. Heck, I'm no criminal, and if a car turns the same direction I am going more than once my radar goes up.

And hoodies may indeed be popular in florida-theyre popular everywhere, but look where he was.

This is a poor excuse. It is February in Florida He had on a hoodie to keep him self warm. Notice what you stated in the beginning he was looking like a gangster. That is outlandish and plain ridiculous. I would probably look dangerous under these assumptions.

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