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There Isn't "Plenty of Time for Evolution

Evolution With Foresight

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There were many equally trained doctors, lawyers, scribes, etc in Jesus day who were all wrong about what they believed and taught. Seminary is a place to go and get ruined. The Holy Mount at the feet of Jesus is where the truth is.

Day one is what it says. Gaps are only necessary to fit lies into. Read the black ink on the white page without adding too (gaps) or taking away from and you will be fine. Using the imagination one can come up with a great many different teachings. A mans imagination is wicked from his youth according to God.

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Yes, that is all well and good, but it still does not change the fact that the Bible never says the heavens and earth were created on day 1, merely in the beginning. People "assume" it's all wrapped up in day 1. Personally, I believe in the Time Gap Theory. You can't refute the TGT biblically, as Genesis does not provide adequate information to the contrary.

The only thing created on day 1 was light, but not in the sense of a light emitting object. The Hebrew is actually referring to illumination/enlightenment, and God is the source of it. The sun/moon were not created until day 4.

I won't be arguing about this. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I used to be an old hard line, die hard, KJV only Southern Baptist...then God opened my eyes.


Well Bless Those Old Fashion Bible Believing Jesus Loving God Fearing Fried Chicken Eating Folk

Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Jeremiah 6:16

And For What Did You Leave These Dear Folk

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?Isaiah 29:16

Some Philosopher's Stone?

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2:8

And What Book

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.

And the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:1-5

Did

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:11

God

And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. Luke 6:5

Use

And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Ephesians 3:9

To Open

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:5-7

Your Eyes Beloved?

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160

And Where Is Your Hope To Be Found?

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:15-17

For Bible Believers Know This Wicked Sin Soaked Cosmos Will Soon To Past Away

Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. Luke 21:33

And Only The New Heavens And The New Earth

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2 Peter 3:10-13

And New Jerusalem Will Remain

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Revelation 21:1-5

So

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
John 14:1-3

Where Is Your Hope?

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 2 Corinthians 15:22

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Its doctrines are holy, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions immutable.

Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, and practice it to be holy.

It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you.

It is the traveler's map, the pilgrim's staff, the pilot's compass, the soldier's sword, and the Christian's charter.

Here Paradise is restored, Heaven opened, and the gates of hell disclosed.

Christ is its grand subject, our good its design, and the glory of God its end.

It should fill the memory, rule the heart and guide the feet.

Read it slowly, frequently and prayerfully.

It is a mine of wealth, a Paradise of glory, and a river of pleasure.

It is given to you in life, will be open in the judgment, and be remembered forever.

It involves the highest responsibility, rewards the greatest labor, and condemns all who trifle with its holy precepts.


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There were many equally trained doctors, lawyers, scribes, etc in Jesus day who were all wrong about what they believed and taught. Seminary is a place to go and get ruined. The Holy Mount at the feet of Jesus is where the truth is.

Day one is what it says. Gaps are only necessary to fit lies into. Read the black ink on the white page without adding too (gaps) or taking away from and you will be fine. Using the imagination one can come up with a great many different teachings. A mans imagination is wicked from his youth according to God.


Spot On Dear Brother For Way Too Often, The Seminarian's Path Becomes

Yea, hath God said, Genesis 3:1(c )

The Shortest Distance For A Prestige Hungry Child

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. Hebrews 3:12

To End Up In The Cemetery

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Hebrews 6:4-6

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There were many equally trained doctors, lawyers, scribes, etc in Jesus day who were all wrong about what they believed and taught. Seminary is a place to go and get ruined. The Holy Mount at the feet of Jesus is where the truth is.

Day one is what it says. Gaps are only necessary to fit lies into. Read the black ink on the white page without adding too (gaps) or taking away from and you will be fine. Using the imagination one can come up with a great many different teachings. A mans imagination is wicked from his youth according to God.


Spot On Dear Brother For Way To Often The Seminarian's Path Becomes

Yea, hath God said, Genesis 3:1(c )

The Shortest Distance For A Prestige Hungry Child

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. Hebrews 3:12

To End Up In The Cemetery

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Hebrews 6:4-6


Amen, my brother who loves me! Now my attempt to speak in tongues as the Spirit gives me utterance to speak Joeishly. He would not have us to study all of the Hath God said questions in search of that which God has said, but to sit and listen for that still small voice to teach us and guide us into all truth.

Rom 16:19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all [men]. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.

The Secret Service train to identify counterfeit currency by continuously familiarizing themselves with that which is true. They spend hours upon hours feeling, looking and studying that which is true and then when a counterfeit comes into their hands or sight they immediately know something is wrong with it even if they don't know exactly what, they know it is wrong.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

The one two punch. The Word of God and the Spirit of God equal the Voice of God.

Luk 10:39 And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.

So let us all come to Jacob's well for a refreshing drink each hour of every day. As we tarry in the house of God.

Gen 28:17 And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful [is] this place! this [is] none other but the house of God, and this [is] the gate of heaven.

Jhn 4:12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?

Psa 78:5 For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:

And unto those who do not yet know as they are still wandering around in the congregation of the dead, we say.

Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

And babies need fed so that they might grow!

1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

And one day Christian, if one is diligent in his quest for righteousness....

2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Oh the love of God dwelling in our hearts by faith! How sweet that love courses through our veins. There is a fountain filled with blood, drawn from immanuels veins!

How is it we say? Oh...Believe and be Blessed dear Loved of the Lord!


Love you Joe,

Gary

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This is where I specialize (and what my theology/divinity studies are geared for). Biblical interpretation, and the application of hermeneutics.

There is one, crucial thing that people are overlooking...

No where does it say that the heavens and the earth were created on the first day. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

The time lapse between "in the beginning" and the start of creation on earth as we interpret it, could be an infinite amount of time. The Bible does not say. It is called the Time Gap Theory. It also shoots holes in the Young Earth Theory.

Just something to think about.

I agree with you, Vanguard that the Earth was not created on the first day, but that that it was simply was "without form, and void", that is all I'm saying.

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Amen, my brother who loves me! Now my attempt to speak in tongues as the Spirit gives me utterance to speak Joeishly. He would not have us to study all of the Hath God said questions in search of that which God has said, but to sit and listen for that still small voice to teach us and guide us into all truth.

Rom 16:19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all [men]. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.

The Secret Service train to identify counterfeit currency by continuously familiarizing themselves with that which is true. They spend hours upon hours feeling, looking and studying that which is true and then when a counterfeit comes into their hands or sight they immediately know something is wrong with it even if they don't know exactly what, they know it is wrong.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

The one two punch. The Word of God and the Spirit of God equal the Voice of God.

Luk 10:39 And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.

So let us all come to Jacob's well for a refreshing drink each hour of every day. As we tarry in the house of God.

Gen 28:17 And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful [is] this place! this [is] none other but the house of God, and this [is] the gate of heaven.

Jhn 4:12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?

Psa 78:5 For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:

And unto those who do not yet know as they are still wandering around in the congregation of the dead, we say.

Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

And babies need fed so that they might grow!

1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

And one day Christian, if one is diligent in his quest for righteousness....

2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Oh the love of God dwelling in our hearts by faith! How sweet that love courses through our veins. There is a fountain filled with blood, drawn from immanuels veins!

How is it we say? Oh...Believe and be Blessed dear Loved of the Lord!


Love you Joe,

Gary


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Wonderful Beloved, Wonderful~!

As cold waters to a thirsty soul, so is good news from a far country. Proverbs 25:25

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

Love, Your Brother Joe

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As I Read It Now

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.

And the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:1-5

Is The Reason I Believe That The God Of Abraham, Isaac And Jacob
The God Of The Bible, My God
Did It In Six Days

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Genesis 1:31

And If Man Gets It Wrong

He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. Ecclesiastes 3:11

Well, It Won't Be The First Time You Know

Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? John 10:36

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Trust In The Word

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160

And Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

Love, Your Brother Joe

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I think that it would be safe to say that God doesn't make anything "empty and void", for those adjective to work it necessitates for a object to already exist, a box can't be empty unless it exists.

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Yes, that is all well and good, but it still does not change the fact that the Bible never says the heavens and earth were created on day 1, merely in the beginning. People "assume" it's all wrapped up in day 1. Personally, I believe in the Time Gap Theory. You can't refute the TGT biblically, as Genesis does not provide adequate information to the contrary.

The only thing created on day 1 was light, but not in the sense of a light emitting object. The Hebrew is actually referring to illumination/enlightenment, and God is the source of it. The sun/moon were not created until day 4.

I won't be arguing about this. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I used to be an old hard line, die hard, KJV only Southern Baptist...then God opened my eyes.

Well I think its great you won't be arguing about this, because in the greater scheme of things, in your salvation, it matters not one iota how the earth was created. That you believe it was created, and how you walk on it, matters so much more....

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Enough of the nonsense. God has spoken:


Exd 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exd 31:17 It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Do you believe God? If not go argue with him, I am just the messenger. I just go tell it on the mountain. Peace in Christ.

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Enough of the nonsense. God has spoken:


Exd 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exd 31:17 It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Do you believe God? If not go argue with him, I am just the messenger. I just go tell it on the mountain. Peace in Christ.

Do you care to name names of those nonsense talkers, I know I am one, right.

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Enough of the nonsense. God has spoken:


Exd 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exd 31:17 It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Do you believe God? If not go argue with him, I am just the messenger. I just go tell it on the mountain. Peace in Christ.

Do you care to name names of those nonsense talkers, I know I am one, right.


Ronnie, my beloved brother, if you argue against God creating everything including the heaven and the earth in six literal days, you argue against his word as I have presented it here to you. It is clear. All that is in them as well as them themselves. The question becomes why do people need for it to be otherwise?

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The belief in the pre-adamite world and race and that the Earth received judgement is not just a fringe belief and I wouldn't refer to it as nonsense, it deserves consideration, many great believers believe in this doctrine. God didn't created something that was empty and void, why would he? Yes God created the Earth and he created it complete and good, but some believe it was marred and that when he cause the dry land appear and the Sun's rays to reach the Earth again he was just restoring it. I am not dogmatic about this and I don't wish to teach this on Worth (and will not), but I haven't banished the notion of this belief either, only put it on the shelf for keeping.


"We have already seen how in the beginning God created a perfect heaven and earth. Later on—we do not know how long afterwards—the original beautiful earth became waste and void. However, God rose up and remade this world. In six days, He restored this desolate world." -Watchman Nee

Fringe nonsense - hardly.


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One who doesn't believe that that is nonsense had better be able to explain why God said that he did it all in six days. I provided two scripture references that directly oppose the view showing that it is in fact nonsense without any answer other than some statement of human reasoning that tries through the individuals understanding to reason that it is possible. Hath God said, anybody? nonsense.

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"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved (Gk, brooded) upon the face of the waters".

"Although this view has been discredited by many in the past few years, I believe that a great catastrophe took place between 1 and 2. As far as I can see, there is an abundance of evidence for it". -Dr. J. Vernon Mcgee

You have become handy at throwing out curses or condemnations, calling member of this forum pigs and such.


To whom have I cursed? Show the evidence please. I said that there were dogs and pigs who visit the forum, if you disagree that is fine but in my saying so, I have condemned no one. If your conscience condemns you, what has that to do with me?

You still haven't shown a shred of evidence to discredit the verses I presented? Instead you attack my character, why?

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"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved (Gk, brooded) upon the face of the waters".

"Although this view has been discredited by many in the past few years, I believe that a great catastrophe took place between 1 and 2. As far as I can see, there is an abundance of evidence for it". -Dr. J. Vernon Mcgee

You have become handy at throwing out curses or condemnations, calling member of this forum pigs and such.


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Oink~!

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Love Dr. J. Vernon Mcgee


And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! Romans 10:15

And He Was A Dear Bible Loving Teacher Who's Teachings I Thrived On
And I Give Thanks Daily For The Godly Men (And Woman) Like Him God Placed Into My Life

He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep. John 21:17

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My Take On Day One


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:1-3

Includes All The Activities Reported In Day One

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Genesis 1:1-5

And My Take On The Last Day Is, It Is The First Day ~ The Day One For The New Heavens

For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. Isaiah 65:17-19

And The New Earth And The Eternal New City Of Jerusalem

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.


And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Revelation 21:1-5

And Jesus Is Able Oh So Able, For It Was Jesus

For with God nothing shall be impossible. Luke 1:37

Who Face To Face Told It To Moses

Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. John 6:46

So Every Sabbath, Mark Seven

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exodus 20:8-11

And You Will Be Giving To God

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Revelation 4:11

The Credit He So Richly Deserves

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING


The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.


And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

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For Thirty Years Or So
I Believed In Evolution And It's Time Lines


Yea, hath God said, Genesis 3:1(c )

Until My Favorite Science Fiction Writers Became
More And More Hateful Toward Jesus, Even Within Their Stories


But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Matthew 15:18-19

So I Opened Up My Bible To See If Time Constrained The Creator

Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. Isaiah 66:8

And Found It Was All Of Jesus After All

And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Ephesians 3:9

So I Dumped The Liars

Sing, O ye heavens; for the LORD hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel.

Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish; That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof: Isaiah 44:23-26

And Turned Back

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? Isaiah 29:16

To Truth

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

Beloved, Thank You For Listening

Love, Your Brother Joe

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I haven't been here in a week and this is still going? I said I wasn't going to argue about it, and I am not. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

It's just that some of those literal, word for word opinions happen to be WRONG, especially when they don't understand the Hebrew or the Greek, and quickly forget that they are reading a translation that is biased, based on the positions of the authors.

Want to know how the verse actually reads in Hebrew? "In the beginning God created the sky and the earth."

I'll check back in a week or so, lol.

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I haven't been here in a week and this is still going? I said I wasn't going to argue about it, and I am not. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

It's just that some of those literal, word for word opinions happen to be WRONG, especially when they don't understand the Hebrew or the Greek, and quickly forget that they are reading a translation that is biased, based on the positions of the authors.

Want to know how the verse actually reads in Hebrew? "In the beginning God created the sky and the earth."

I'll check back in a week or so, lol.


lol

Sorry Earth Lovers

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
1 John 2:15-17

It Will Rage On Until Jesus Pulls The Plug On This Old Earth And Cosmos

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:7-11

And Creates The New Earth And Heavens

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Revelation 21:5

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So?

Would You Believe Six Days?

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exodus 20:8-11

Yes?

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. Genesis 1:1-5 (NASB)

No?

In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth -- the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness is on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters, and God saith, 'Let light be;' and light is. And God seeth the light that it is good, and God separateth between the light and the darkness, and God calleth to the light 'Day,' and to the darkness He hath called 'Night;' and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day one. Genesis 1:1-5 (Young's Literal Translation)

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I said I wasn't going to argue about it, and I am not.


Glad we can trust you when you speak. Oh but wait...

It's just that some of those literal, word for word opinions happen to be WRONG, especially when they don't understand the Hebrew or the Greek, and quickly forget that they are reading a translation that is biased, based on the positions of the authors.


Calling people out as WRONG and declaring your 'arguments' as to why it is so. I'd be careful about declaring that your not going to do something in the same post that you also do it. It doesn't help your argument ;)

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I haven't been here in a week and this is still going? I said I wasn't going to argue about it, and I am not. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

It's just that some of those literal, word for word opinions happen to be WRONG, especially when they don't understand the Hebrew or the Greek, and quickly forget that they are reading a translation that is biased, based on the positions of the authors.

Want to know how the verse actually reads in Hebrew? "In the beginning God created the sky and the earth."

I'll check back in a week or so, lol.


Do you know Hebrew and Greek?

I am not a master of the Hebrew language, but I do have access to a lexicon ( http://www.bluelette...ngs=H8064&t=KJV ), and it says that the word translated as "heaven" is the Hebrew "shamayim", which means:

1) heaven, heavens, sky

a) visible heavens, sky

1) as abode of the stars

2) as the visible universe, the sky, atmosphere, etc

b) Heaven (as the abode of God)

As I understand it, either "heaven" or "sky" is a possible translation for "shamayim".

The people who translated the Scriptures were masters of Hebrew and Greek, and unless you have similarly mastered these languages, it is not your place to challenge their translations if you do not provide adequate substantiation for your claims.




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