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by Dave Hunt of "The Berean Call".

Christmas as generally celebrated today is one of many carry-overs from Roman Catholicism that survived the Reformation. Historian Will Durant reminds us that Roman Catholicism grew out of the merger between paganism and Christianity which took place under Constantine in the early 300s. Commenting upon the resulting "Christianization" of the Roman Empire, which Reconstructionists such as Coalition on Revival (COR) director Jay Grimstead look back to fondly as a model of what they hope to achieve, Durant wrote:
Paganism survived...in the form of ancient rites and customs condoned...by an often indulgent Church....Statues of Isis and Horus were renamed Mary and Jesus...the Saturnalia [Festival of Saturn in celebration of the winter solstice] was replaced by Christmas celebration... ncense, lights, flowers, processions, vestments...which had pleased the people in older [pagan] cults were domesticated and cleansed in the Ritual of the Church....

In spite of its pagan/Roman Catholic origins and crass commercialization, we can rejoice that Christmas annually brings a reminder of the Savior's birth. Unfortunately, however, Christmas festivities generally perpetuate the confusion concerning who Jesus Christ really is, why He came and what He accomplished. This is not surprising, considering the misunderstandings even among His own disciples at the first advent—and the far greater confusion which the Bible warns will precede His second coming. Indeed, the whole world—including millions of "Christians"—will follow and worship the Antichrist, convinced that he is the true Christ.
Christmas celebrations remind us that the same misunderstandings which prevented so many from recognizing Christ when He came to earth will prevail when He returns. The causes of confusion 1,900 years ago remain the key issues today: What is the Messiah's true mission—and the nature of His kingdom? When, how and by whom will the Kingdom be established—and what is its relationship to Israel and the church? Many "Christians" today are blind in the same way as those early "disciples" who turned from Christ because He didn't meet their false messianic expectations.

Even John the Baptist became so disillusioned that he demanded of Christ, "Art thou he that should come, or look we for another?" (Mat:11:3). Such doubts seem impossible for the one whom God had sent to "prepare the way of the Lord"! Already filled with the Holy Spirit as a six-month old embryo, John had leaped in the womb of his mother Elizabeth upon hearing the voice of the virgin Mary, who had just learned that she would give birth to the Son of God. Called and inspired of God to be the "forerunner of the Messiah," John testified, "He that sent me to baptize...said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he...and I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God" (Jn:1:33-34). Confident in that supernatural revelation, John boldly declared," Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world! " (Jn:1:29). Yet the day came when, in despair, he sent two disciples to ask Christ whether He really was the Messiah after all!
Although given supernatural revelation as to His identity, John totally misunderstood Christ's mission. Hadn't the prophets said that the Messiah would set up His kingdom and reign in Jerusalem? Then why was he , the herald of the Messiah, in prison! John did not understand that Christ had come to die for our sins so that both Jew and Gentile, united in one church, could go to heaven. Nor did he comprehend that there had to be a Second Coming.

So it was with the disciples in the Garden of Gethsemane. Amazed, they watched the One whom they thought had all power, as, seemingly powerless, He was arrested, bound and led away. Obviously Jesus of Nazareth couldn't be the Messiah after all! Dreams shattered, they fled for their lives. Likewise the two on the road to Emmaus: "We trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel...[but they] crucified him!" (Lk 24:19-24). His death, which we recognize today is the very heart of the gospel and without which we have no life, convinced Christ's contemporaries that He could not possibly be the Messiah, the Savior of the world.
"If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him!" (Mat:27:40-44) was the jeering taunt of the bloodthirsty mob and the religious leaders gloating at the foot of His cross. "If thou be the Christ, save thyself and us!" echoed one of the thieves hanging beside him. Whom He came to save, from what, to what, and how was clearly not understood at the time by anyone—not even by His closest disciples.

When Christ tried to explain that He must die for the sins of the world, Peter rebuked Him for being so "negative." Yet Peter, only moments before, had declared by revelation from the Father that Jesus was the Christ (Mat:16:16-17). Obviously he didn't understand the Messiah's mission, even though he knew who He was. "Get thee behind me, Satan!" (Mat:16:22-23). Christ had retorted quickly to Peter, showing the importance He put upon correcting such a gross misunderstanding of His mission.

So it was with those in Jerusalem (Jn:2:23-25) who "believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did." They believed He was the Messiah but had a false view of what that meant. "Jesus did not commit himself unto them" because He knew what was in their hearts and that they would not believe the truth. We see the same error in those in John 6, who, because Christ had healed and fed them, wanted to "take him by force to make him [their] king" (Jn:6:15). There were many who called themselves His "disciples" (today they would be called "Christians") who had a false view of the Messiah, and when He tried to explain the truth to them, would not hear it but "went back and walked no more with him" (Jn:6:66).
We learn from Christ how to handle the multitudes who want to follow Him for the wrong reasons. We must do today what He did then. Many came "forward" to tell Jesus they believed in Him and would follow Him faithfully. Contrary to today's methods, Christ didn't have His disciples quickly sign up such persons as "church members" before they changed their minds, and get them involved in the choir or some committee in order to keep them active in the church. "The foxes have holes and the birds have nests, but I have nowhere to lay my head" (Mat:8:20). Jesus told the eager would-be converts. "Are you certain you really want to follow me?" Such "negativism"!

"So you want to follow Me?" Christ would say. "Then let Me tell you where we're going. I'm heading for a hill outside Jerusalem called Calvary where they'll nail Me to a cross. So if you would be faithful to Me to the end, you might as well make up your mind: take up your cross right now, and follow Me, because that's where we're going!"

Today we're far too sophisticated to present the gospel in such negative terms. We've studied success motivation, psychology and Dale Carnegie courses in "How to Win Friends and Influence People" and consider such new techniques to be ideal for "winning people to Christ." So we fill the churches with multitudes who imagine that Christ's mission is to make them feel good about themselves by building up their self-esteem, answering their selfish prayers and fulfilling their self-centered agendas.
The Reconstruction/Kingdom/Dominionists are more confused than John the Baptist, though their error is similar. They refuse to walk in the rejection of Christ, bearing the reproach of His cross, because that would be "defeatism." They imagine we're in the millennial kingdom already and are supposed to act like "King's kids." They think it is our task to establish that Kingdom through taking "dominion" over the media, educational institutions and political leadership. The "signs and wonders" promoters, from Oral Roberts to John Wimber, imagine they are in the process of taking dominion over all disease and even over death itself without the resurrection and return of Christ.

It is all very positive, and ecumenical. Christian lobbyists such as Bob Grant of Christian Voice and the American Freedom Coalition in Washington, D.C. are willing to work with Moonies and Mormons and all others who are in favor of bringing traditional values back to America. And at Christmas time once again, being able to publicly display a cross or a creche in public becomes a rallying point—a very low common denominator indeed for ecumenical agreement. In defense of such folly, Christian leaders stoutly defend the correctness of working with all those "who call Jesus Lord." Seemingly forgotten are the words of Christ: "Many will say to me... Lord, Lord, have we not...in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me..." (Mat:7:22-23). There are multitudes, such as Mormons and Catholics (to say nothing of many Baptists, Lutherans, Methodists, et al.) who call Jesus "Lord" but are not saved.

On October 17, Paul and Jan Crouch welcomed three Catholics to their "Praise the Lord" program, two priests and a woman lay leader. Paul displayed his usual naiveté and incredible ignorance of theology by smoothing over any differences between Protestants and Catholics as "simply matters of semantics." In his eager embrace of Transubstantiation, a heresy so great that thousands died at the stake rather than accept it, he declared: "Well, we [Protestants] believe the same thing. So you see one of these things that has divided us all of these years [Transubstantiation] shouldn't have divided us all along because we were really meaning the same thing but just saying it a little differently....I[am] eradicating the word "Protestant" even out of my vocabulary. ...I'm not protesting anything anymore...it is....time for Catholics and non-Catholics to come together as one in the Spirit and one in the Lord." But Catholics have a different gospel of salvation by works and ritual through the essential mediation of that Church.

Christmas, with its emphasis upon "baby Jesus," tends to perpetuate another serious Catholic heresy: the pernicious myth of Christ's subservience to His mother which Roman Catholicism has deliberately promoted for centuries. Mary certainly should be called "blessed" as the mother of our Lord—but she is not "Co-Mediatrix and "Co-Redemptrix" as Romanism teaches. In Catholic cathedrals throughout the world, for example, one quickly notices that the paintings, statuary and stained glass give Mary the dominant role. She is even at times shown on the cross as our Redeemer. Jesus is either a helpless babe on His mother's breast, a small child between her knees, or a lifeless victim of the Cross in her arms. Never is she in subjection to Him, and rarely if ever is He shown in the triumph of His resurrection. She is the "Queen of Heaven," where Jesus remains a child subject to her direction.
Typical is the beautiful thirteenth-century stained-glass window we recently observed in a church in France. At the top are the words Le Pergatoire , indicating that it is a depiction of "purgatory." Mary and Jesus are shown on a cloud (i.e., in heaven), with the tormented souls in the flames of purgatory below them, arms extended upward in supplication. Are they crying out to Christ for help? No, they are appealing to Mary. She wears the regal crown.

And Jesus, the Lord of Glory, who triumphed over Satan at the Cross and now sits at the right hand of the Father—how is He depicted? As a child about seven years old, standing between the "Queen of Heaven's" knees! No wonder the souls in "purgatory" do not appeal to Him for help. At the bottom of the beautiful stained-glass depiction of this abomination are the words: Mère Marie, sauvez nous! ("Mother Mary, save us!")
Such heresy does not originate in the imaginations of the artists but in tradition and dogma not only tolerated but promoted by the Roman Catholic Church. The fear of purgatory is very real to a Catholic, and "Mary" has provided an escape for those faithful to her. She allegedly appeared to St. Simon Stock on July 16, 1251 and gave him what is known as "The Great Promise": "Whosoever dies wearing this Scapular [two pieces of brown cloth containing Mary's promise on one, her picture with "Baby Jesus" on the other, worn one in front, one in back, connected over the shoulder by two strings] shall not suffer eternal fire." Like the Mormon's magic underwear, the Catholic's scapular will supposedly accomplish what the death, burial and resurrection of Christ could not. In 1322, Pope John XXII received a further promise from "Mary" known as "The Sabbatine Privilege": "I, the Mother of Grace, shall descend on the Saturday after their death and whomsoever I shall find in Purgatory [who died wearing the scapular], I shall free." St. Simon Stock's famous prayer ends thus: "O Sweet Heart of Mary, be our [i]salvation
!"

Christmas offers a rare opportunity to share the true gospel of Jesus Christ and to expose and correct the ecumenical and confused picture it presents annually to the world. Millions are seduced into thinking they are Christians because they have a sentimental feeling for the "baby Jesus." Let us remember what Christ said to those who believed on Him: "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Jn:8:31-32). It is that truth which we are called upon to proclaim in clarity and power.



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Hey,

Could you by chance enhance the font size?

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Christmas as generally celebrated today is one of many carry-overs from Roman Catholicism that survived the Reformation. Historian Will Durant reminds us that Roman Catholicism grew out of the merger between paganism and Christianity which took place under Constantine in the early 300s. Commenting upon the resulting "Christianization" of the Roman Empire, which Reconstructionists such as Coalition on Revival (COR) director Jay Grimstead look back to fondly as a model of what they hope to achieve, Durant wrote:
Paganism survived...in the form of ancient rites and customs condoned...by an often indulgent Church....Statues of Isis and Horus were renamed Mary and Jesus...the Saturnalia [Festival of Saturn in celebration of the winter solstice] was replaced by Christmas celebration... ncense, lights, flowers, processions, vestments...which had pleased the people in older [pagan] cults were domesticated and cleansed in the Ritual of the Church....

In spite of its pagan/Roman Catholic origins and crass commercialization, we can rejoice that Christmas annually brings a reminder of the Savior's birth. Unfortunately, however, Christmas festivities generally perpetuate the confusion concerning who Jesus Christ really is, why He came and what He accomplished. This is not surprising, considering the misunderstandings even among His own disciples at the first advent—and the far greater confusion which the Bible warns will precede His second coming. Indeed, the whole world—including millions of "Christians"—will follow and worship the Antichrist, convinced that he is the true Christ.
Christmas celebrations remind us that the same misunderstandings which prevented so many from recognizing Christ when He came to earth will prevail when He returns. The causes of confusion 1,900 years ago remain the key issues today: What is the Messiah's true mission—and the nature of His kingdom? When, how and by whom will the Kingdom be established—and what is its relationship to Israel and the church? Many "Christians" today are blind in the same way as those early "disciples" who turned from Christ because He didn't meet their false messianic expectations.

Even John the Baptist became so disillusioned that he demanded of Christ, "Art thou he that should come, or look we for another?" (Mat:11:3). Such doubts seem impossible for the one whom God had sent to "prepare the way of the Lord"! Already filled with the Holy Spirit as a six-month old embryo, John had leaped in the womb of his mother Elizabeth upon hearing the voice of the virgin Mary, who had just learned that she would give birth to the Son of God. Called and inspired of God to be the "forerunner of the Messiah," John testified, "He that sent me to baptize...said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he...and I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God" (Jn:1:33-34). Confident in that supernatural revelation, John boldly declared," Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world! " (Jn:1:29). Yet the day came when, in despair, he sent two disciples to ask Christ whether He really was the Messiah after all!
Although given supernatural revelation as to His identity, John totally misunderstood Christ's mission. Hadn't the prophets said that the Messiah would set up His kingdom and reign in Jerusalem? Then why was he , the herald of the Messiah, in prison! John did not understand that Christ had come to die for our sins so that both Jew and Gentile, united in one church, could go to heaven. Nor did he comprehend that there had to be a Second Coming.

So it was with the disciples in the Garden of Gethsemane. Amazed, they watched the One whom they thought had all power, as, seemingly powerless, He was arrested, bound and led away. Obviously Jesus of Nazareth couldn't be the Messiah after all! Dreams shattered, they fled for their lives. Likewise the two on the road to Emmaus: "We trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel...[but they] crucified him!" (Lk 24:19-24). His death, which we recognize today is the very heart of the gospel and without which we have no life, convinced Christ's contemporaries that He could not possibly be the Messiah, the Savior of the world.
"If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him!" (Mat:27:40-44) was the jeering taunt of the bloodthirsty mob and the religious leaders gloating at the foot of His cross. "If thou be the Christ, save thyself and us!" echoed one of the thieves hanging beside him. Whom He came to save, from what, to what, and how was clearly not understood at the time by anyone—not even by His closest disciples.

When Christ tried to explain that He must die for the sins of the world, Peter rebuked Him for being so "negative." Yet Peter, only moments before, had declared by revelation from the Father that Jesus was the Christ (Mat:16:16-17). Obviously he didn't understand the Messiah's mission, even though he knew who He was. "Get thee behind me, Satan!" (Mat:16:22-23). Christ had retorted quickly to Peter, showing the importance He put upon correcting such a gross misunderstanding of His mission.

So it was with those in Jerusalem (Jn:2:23-25) who "believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did." They believed He was the Messiah but had a false view of what that meant. "Jesus did not commit himself unto them" because He knew what was in their hearts and that they would not believe the truth. We see the same error in those in John 6, who, because Christ had healed and fed them, wanted to "take him by force to make him [their] king" (Jn:6:15). There were many who called themselves His "disciples" (today they would be called "Christians") who had a false view of the Messiah, and when He tried to explain the truth to them, would not hear it but "went back and walked no more with him" (Jn:6:66).
We learn from Christ how to handle the multitudes who want to follow Him for the wrong reasons. We must do today what He did then. Many came "forward" to tell Jesus they believed in Him and would follow Him faithfully. Contrary to today's methods, Christ didn't have His disciples quickly sign up such persons as "church members" before they changed their minds, and get them involved in the choir or some committee in order to keep them active in the church. "The foxes have holes and the birds have nests, but I have nowhere to lay my head" (Mat:8:20). Jesus told the eager would-be converts. "Are you certain you really want to follow me?" Such "negativism"!

"So you want to follow Me?" Christ would say. "Then let Me tell you where we're going. I'm heading for a hill outside Jerusalem called Calvary where they'll nail Me to a cross. So if you would be faithful to Me to the end, you might as well make up your mind: take up your cross right now, and follow Me, because that's where we're going!"

Today we're far too sophisticated to present the gospel in such negative terms. We've studied success motivation, psychology and Dale Carnegie courses in "How to Win Friends and Influence People" and consider such new techniques to be ideal for "winning people to Christ." So we fill the churches with multitudes who imagine that Christ's mission is to make them feel good about themselves by building up their self-esteem, answering their selfish prayers and fulfilling their self-centered agendas.
The Reconstruction/Kingdom/Dominionists are more confused than John the Baptist, though their error is similar. They refuse to walk in the rejection of Christ, bearing the reproach of His cross, because that would be "defeatism." They imagine we're in the millennial kingdom already and are supposed to act like "King's kids." They think it is our task to establish that Kingdom through taking "dominion" over the media, educational institutions and political leadership. The "signs and wonders" promoters, from Oral Roberts to John Wimber, imagine they are in the process of taking dominion over all disease and even over death itself without the resurrection and return of Christ.

It is all very positive, and ecumenical. Christian lobbyists such as Bob Grant of Christian Voice and the American Freedom Coalition in Washington, D.C. are willing to work with Moonies and Mormons and all others who are in favor of bringing traditional values back to America. And at Christmas time once again, being able to publicly display a cross or a creche in public becomes a rallying point—a very low common denominator indeed for ecumenical agreement. In defense of such folly, Christian leaders stoutly defend the correctness of working with all those "who call Jesus Lord." Seemingly forgotten are the words of Christ: "Many will say to me... Lord, Lord, have we not...in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me..." (Mat:7:22-23). There are multitudes, such as Mormons and Catholics (to say nothing of many Baptists, Lutherans, Methodists, et al.) who call Jesus "Lord" but are not saved.

On October 17, Paul and Jan Crouch welcomed three Catholics to their "Praise the Lord" program, two priests and a woman lay leader. Paul displayed his usual naiveté and incredible ignorance of theology by smoothing over any differences between Protestants and Catholics as "simply matters of semantics." In his eager embrace of Transubstantiation, a heresy so great that thousands died at the stake rather than accept it, he declared: "Well, we [Protestants] believe the same thing. So you see one of these things that has divided us all of these years [Transubstantiation] shouldn't have divided us all along because we were really meaning the same thing but just saying it a little differently....I[am] eradicating the word "Protestant" even out of my vocabulary. ...I'm not protesting anything anymore...it is....time for Catholics and non-Catholics to come together as one in the Spirit and one in the Lord." But Catholics have a different gospel of salvation by works and ritual through the essential mediation of that Church.

Christmas, with its emphasis upon "baby Jesus," tends to perpetuate another serious Catholic heresy: the pernicious myth of Christ's subservience to His mother which Roman Catholicism has deliberately promoted for centuries. Mary certainly should be called "blessed" as the mother of our Lord—but she is not "Co-Mediatrix and "Co-Redemptrix" as Romanism teaches. In Catholic cathedrals throughout the world, for example, one quickly notices that the paintings, statuary and stained glass give Mary the dominant role. She is even at times shown on the cross as our Redeemer. Jesus is either a helpless babe on His mother's breast, a small child between her knees, or a lifeless victim of the Cross in her arms. Never is she in subjection to Him, and rarely if ever is He shown in the triumph of His resurrection. She is the "Queen of Heaven," where Jesus remains a child subject to her direction.
Typical is the beautiful thirteenth-century stained-glass window we recently observed in a church in France. At the top are the words Le Pergatoire , indicating that it is a depiction of "purgatory." Mary and Jesus are shown on a cloud (i.e., in heaven), with the tormented souls in the flames of purgatory below them, arms extended upward in supplication. Are they crying out to Christ for help? No, they are appealing to Mary. She wears the regal crown.

And Jesus, the Lord of Glory, who triumphed over Satan at the Cross and now sits at the right hand of the Father—how is He depicted? As a child about seven years old, standing between the "Queen of Heaven's" knees! No wonder the souls in "purgatory" do not appeal to Him for help. At the bottom of the beautiful stained-glass depiction of this abomination are the words: Mère Marie, sauvez nous! ("Mother Mary, save us!")
Such heresy does not originate in the imaginations of the artists but in tradition and dogma not only tolerated but promoted by the Roman Catholic Church. The fear of purgatory is very real to a Catholic, and "Mary" has provided an escape for those faithful to her. She allegedly appeared to St. Simon Stock on July 16, 1251 and gave him what is known as "The Great Promise": "Whosoever dies wearing this Scapular [two pieces of brown cloth containing Mary's promise on one, her picture with "Baby Jesus" on the other, worn one in front, one in back, connected over the shoulder by two strings] shall not suffer eternal fire." Like the Mormon's magic underwear, the Catholic's scapular will supposedly accomplish what the death, burial and resurrection of Christ could not. In 1322, Pope John XXII received a further promise from "Mary" known as "The Sabbatine Privilege": "I, the Mother of Grace, shall descend on the Saturday after their death and whomsoever I shall find in Purgatory [who died wearing the scapular], I shall free." St. Simon Stock's famous prayer ends thus: "O Sweet Heart of Mary, be our [i]salvation
!"

Christmas offers a rare opportunity to share the true gospel of Jesus Christ and to expose and correct the ecumenical and confused picture it presents annually to the world. Millions are seduced into thinking they are Christians because they have a sentimental feeling for the "baby Jesus." Let us remember what Christ said to those who believed on Him: "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Jn:8:31-32). It is that truth which we are called upon to proclaim in clarity and power.



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Good read.

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I was wondering when someone would post something like this for this years Christmas. Never heard this before. :29:

1 Cor 10:23

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forgive me if it wasn't as edifying as you hoped it would be Brother Mike, although i didn't at all feel it was a regurgitated concept. a different perspective is always interesting in my opinion.

i pray it reaches those readers whom may perhaps be less familiar with these realities.
love to you, and God bless.

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very true good read most off today has been spent on my own reflecting what god has done in my life while many celebrate christmas with their familys i have been able to thank god and alow him to heal me and its just amazing how he has been able to show me how much he loves me

not once had i felt sorry for my self instead i find my self praying for my wife daughter mother in law and the familys who are suffering in the philippines and other third world countries i should be in the philippines with my wife and daughter but since i gave up working as a security guard and have gone back to working as a cleaner and with the extra shifts given to me i am not complaining

coming here today also helps just reading through the topics

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very true good read most off today has been spent on my own reflecting what god has done in my life while many celebrate christmas with their familys i have been able to thank god and alow him to heal me and its just amazing how he has been able to show me how much he loves me

not once had i felt sorry for my self instead i find my self praying for my wife daughter mother in law and the familys who are suffering in the philippines and other third world countries i should be in the philippines with my wife and daughter but since i gave up working as a security guard and have gone back to working as a cleaner and with the extra shifts given to me i am not complaining

coming here today also helps just reading through the topics


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Praying~!

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There is so much in that article, it is hard to know where to begin? If I am understanding it correctly, the main concern is people not understanding who Jesus really is, and his purpose for coming to earth? It is coming from the assumption that people will look at our celebration of Christmas, and not see anything but a baby in a manger. It is coming from the assumption that if you are actively trying to change the culture away from paganism, and willing to work with anyone who shares a similar vision, even if they are not Christian, you do so thinking this is how we will save the world.

There are people that are ignorant. There is no question about it. There are ministries that feed us lies, and that don't care about sound doctrine. The article mentions one. There are people that know of Jesus, but don't really know Jesus because they don't read their Bible. There are conservatives that think we can take over the government, and that is the permanent solution. At the same time, not everyone that celebrates Christmas or works to try to fix the government is in that category.

I celebrate Christmas every year, yet I know that Jesus is more than a baby in a manger. I understand the plan of salvation, and that he came to die for our sins. I also work to elect conservative leaders, and will work with anyone who is on the same side, regardless of religious affiliation. That is just good strategy. At the same time, I know that all we can do is delay the evil. No government formed by man will every be perfect, and eventually, corruption will enter in. The only long term fix is when Jesus returns and sets up his Kingdom on earth, and even that will only last for 1000 years before a rebellion occurs. Then will come the true fix, a new heaven and a new earth. There is a lot of ignorance, but don't make the assumption that everyone that celebrates Christmas has no understanding, or that those who are politically active in trying to make this nation a better place, and even willing to work with unbelievers truly thinks this is the ultimate solution? Liberals look to government as a type of god, and I recognize there are some deceived conservatives that think that if only they control things, they can make things a kind of heaven on earth by fashioning the perfect government. It won't happen. We just recognize that we can get to a better place than we are at today, just like you can see the difference in Judah under a Hezekiah or Josiah as compared to a Manneseh before his conversion.

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In spite of its pagan/Roman Catholic origins and crass commercialization, we can rejoice that Christmas annually brings a reminder of the Savior's birth.


This is all I got. Christmas is tied to pagan belief's. What if I celebrate Christmas? What if someone with weak faith is now miserable thinking they may be displeasing to God by celebrating Christmas. The writer being weak in faith even considered such a thing. Is not Christmas vanity? Therefore it is not evil, nor good.

What the bible say about hurting another brother's or Sisters Conscience in those things they allow?


Jesus is Lord.


I do believe you missed the point of the article.

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Man:

I do believe you missed the point of the article.


I understand the Article Brother. My question is that someone with a less foundation, do all understand. The word pagan mixed with Christmas might be all they get past. It's the words that have the most strength in ones understanding that stay.

We have to be careful not to hurt those with less foundation, or weak conscience. It's not that the article is bad, but did the article have to mention Pagan with Christmas to get it's point across?

Jesus Is Lord.


Yes I believe it did.

The church today is steeped in idolatry. That nativity scene that everyone loves is an abomination. The Word of God tells us not to make these things and what do we do...........we make them . There's nothing in the Word that justifies having these images. It's actually a sin.

We have to be careful not to hurt those with less foundation, or weak conscience.


Hiding the truth favors no one but the devil. Weak foundations are made even less stable when we neglect to inform the uninformed.

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How in the world is a nativity scene evil? Christmas is about the celebration of the birth of Christ. I have a nativity scene under my Christmas tree and I assure you I am far from an idol worshiper!!!!

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Great article, Dave Hunt has often Biblically taught on things that need to be preached, and rarely are.
We can't mix salt and fresh water, as MANY are doing today, and that very sadly in the Church.

Most would get past the pagan part RCC of Christmas (Christ Mass), strengthening those that are weak in the faith.

Over the years, I have seen many of the same things the article mentions "in the Church" and as this article has done look to refute it with the Word of God when it comes up!
Over the past few months, the good Lord has allowed me to reach a number of people that believe many of the false things this article comes out against. A few of them preachers. Some listened, most did not. I thank God for the few.

As Christians all we need is the Word of God presented to us rightly divided as a whole. It and it alone can help us to grow in the things of the Lord.
We do not need cults working with us, we do not need man's religious psychology, we do not need false doctrine, we don't need to embrace sodomy with the "Queen James Version" as our guide, we do not need false teachers, we do not need fluff teachings... Your "Best Life Now" with it's millions sold, is in fact not now, but later, in heaven with Almighty God for those that are Born Again through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

These few things stood out:

"In spite of its pagan/Roman Catholic origins and crass commercialization, we can rejoice that Christmas annually brings a reminder of the Savior's birth. Unfortunately, however, Christmas festivities generally perpetuate the confusion concerning who Jesus Christ really is, why He came and what He accomplished."

"We learn from Christ how to handle the multitudes who want to follow Him for the wrong reasons. We must do today what He did then. Many came "forward" to tell Jesus they believed in Him and would follow Him faithfully. Contrary to today's methods, Christ didn't have His disciples quickly sign up such persons as "church members" before they changed their minds, and get them involved in the choir or some committee in order to keep them active in the church."

"Today we're far too sophisticated to present the gospel in such negative terms. We've studied success motivation, psychology and Dale Carnegie courses in "How to Win Friends and Influence People" and consider such new techniques to be ideal for "winning people to Christ." So we fill the churches with multitudes who imagine that Christ's mission is to make them feel good about themselves by building up their self-esteem, answering their selfish prayers and fulfilling their self-centered agendas.
The Reconstruction/Kingdom/Dominionists are more confused than John the Baptist, though their error is similar. They refuse to walk in the rejection of Christ, bearing the reproach of His cross, because that would be "defeatism." They imagine we're in the millennial kingdom already and are supposed to act like "King's kids." They think it is our task to establish that Kingdom through taking "dominion" over the media, educational institutions and political leadership. The "signs and wonders" promoters, from Oral Roberts to John Wimber, imagine they are in the process of taking dominion over all disease and even over death itself without the resurrection and return of Christ."

"Christmas offers a rare opportunity to share the true gospel of Jesus Christ and to expose and correct the ecumenical and confused picture it presents annually to the world. Millions are seduced into thinking they are Christians because they have a sentimental feeling for the "baby Jesus." Let us remember what Christ said to those who believed on Him: "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Jn:8:31-32). It is that truth which we are called upon to proclaim in clarity and power."


The Lord Jesus Christ came the first time as a Lamb, He is coming back as a Lion.
He is looking for a "spotless bride" when he comes His second time. Eph 5:27 Are we willing to die daily, learn, grow and become this Bride?
Please, those here that embrace anything outside of God's Word, please, repent. Come out of the things that are false, and embrace all the Good found in God and His Word.

May we as a whole, embrace these instructions of our Lord, not only in the upcoming year, but for the rest of our earthly lives :)

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Romans 12:1-5

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How in the world is a nativity scene evil? Christmas is about the celebration of the birth of Christ. I have a nativity scene under my Christmas tree and I assure you I am far from an idol worshiper!!!!


Amen~!

It's All About The Birth Of Messiah Into This World Of Sin And Corruption And Death

Jesus Christ The Bane Of Satan And The Destroyer Of His Flash Mobs

And The The Savior Of All Men, Of All Who Would Call Upon

His Holy Name


Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. Luke 2:14

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Idolatry for the most part stopped being things made of wood a long time ago. The idolatry of the NT that we are warned against doing is changing anything about Jesus by adding to or taking away from the bible as he is the express image of the person of God in the form of man. People are not worshiping the nativity as God. Of course those whose nativity scene has the 3 wise men present have a false image of the nativity scene but not a false image of God. When you start changing Jesus to be one who accepts unrepentant homosexuals, drunks, thieves, liars or whore-mongers into the kingdom of God, then you have yourself an idol to worship and have become and idolater. When you change the image of God into that which is not God, then you have an idol and idolaters will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

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Deuteronomy 4
15. “Take careful heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire,
16. lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure: the likeness of male or female,


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An idol is anything you put above God. It could be money, your job, an actor or musician, a way of life ... if it takes the place of God in your heart, it is an idol.

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Gary:

When you change the image of God into that which is not God, then you have an idol and idolaters will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.


What Image would that be Gary? A Jesus Picture? Or cross on the wall? Make those idols then? I don't have the stuff, but what do you mean?

Jesus Is Lord


God expressed himself when he spoke to us through his Son Jesus who is the express image of his person. It is that image that I am speaking of that men change into an idol and worship in their hearts. God, through the Spirit, moved men to speak and write down that which describes the Living Word in written words and when men pervert those words through personal interpretation they create an idol to worship in their heart.

2Cr 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].

Do Jehovah Witness have an idol or the real deal? Islam? Both have a Jesus. These first are extreme examples of idolatry. We could begin to go into the deeper realm of idolatry in Christiandom but feeling will be hurt when idols that are not the true Jesus are exposed for what they are. Idolatry is simply the worship of a false image of God. God is an invisible spirit so any carved image made to represent God is false but any false witness of his character worshiped in heart is idolatry as well. If one bears witness of God and says that he is a Loving God who will not send anyone to Hell, then that one has a false image of God in their hearts and are simply idolaters. Their idolatry will show up in their works/deeds as it did the Israelites in the wilderness whom Paul, when speaking of their idolatry, pointed out that they ate, drank and rose up to play without ever mentioning the golden calf. Heresy is the direct result of Idolatry and is the manifestation of such in perverted works/deeds.

We must understand these words:


1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


1Jo 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

Do not worship idols but the true Son of God, Jesus Christ as found in the Holy Scriptures. Worship in word and in deed.

Tts 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

This we must not do.

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We could begin to go into the deeper realm of idolatry in Christiandom but feeling will be hurt when idols that are not the true Jesus are exposed for what they are. .


That's the reason we tiptoe around this area. Peoples feelings might be hurt. Idolatry has been given a free pass because we don't want to hurt anyones feelings.

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An idol is anything you put above God. It could be money, your job, an actor or musician, a way of life ... if it takes the place of God in your heart, it is an idol.


Including this.

Posted Image

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An idol is anything you put above God. It could be money, your job, an actor or musician, a way of life ... if it takes the place of God in your heart, it is an idol.


Including this.

Posted Image


I have seen the picture of that guy around a lot but have no idea who he is.

Isa 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, [there is] no beauty that we should desire him.




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