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German Publisher Included in Wiesenthal List of Top Anti-Semites

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thomas t

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Dear friends,

there is an ongoing debate in Germany these days about whether the Simon Wiesenthal Centre (Los Angeles) included German publisher Jakob Augstein for good reason.
Jakob Augstein is the son of SPIEGEL's founding editor Rudolf Augstein and writes on SPIEGEL ONLINE. SPIEGEL is one of the most important media in Germany.
The list can be found here: http://www.wiesentha...}/TT_2012_3.PDF


I think, anybody can read that Augstein dispersed anitisemite slogans. BTW the list quotes Augstein transmitting thanks to Günther Grass, who wrote a strongly antisemite poem not long ago (i). So, I ask, why the outcry in Germany? Is it only because Augstein is placed in the same category as Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood or Iranien President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Augstein received backing by the vice-President of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, Salomon Korn, as well as from deputy leader of the governing CDU, Julia Klöckner.

One of the leading German newspapers, namely "Die Zeit", that also published an interview given by Wiesenthal's Abraham Cooper (ii), cannot understand how Augstein could be included in the list. In contrast to Klöckner, that argued that Augstein only made use of his right to freedom of speech (iii), "Die Zeit" goes as far as blaming Israel of destroying the prospect of a two-state solution by building new settlements (iiii). I think that "die Zeit" is referring to the newly envisaged "E1" settlement.

Angela Merkel also does not like the E1 settlement, either. However, her criticism did not go beyond a polite "agree to disagree" style during her meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu some weeks ago, this is at least how she is reported to have said in "Die Welt" (v).

Have a good day,
Thomas

(i) http://www.guardian....srael-poem-iran
(ii) http://www.zeit.de/g...-cooper/seite-2
(iii) http://www.zeit.de/g...ismus-vorwuerfe
(iiii) http://www.zeit.de/2...itismus-vorwurf
(v) http://www.welt.de/p...nter-Druck.html

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thomas t

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Dear friends,
here is the link for what Salomon Korn said: http://www.zeit.de/g...eidigt-augstein - just for you so you could verify if you know to read some German.

But now I would like to discuss what Die Zeit had to say about Jewish settlements

Die Zeit said that Israel "is about to prevent a two-state solution by new settlements" (the link for the source is the same as (iiii) from the above posting.). Their argument is that the west bank would be devided into two parts (i). But let's have a look at the map:

http://www.google.de...iw=1280&bih=859

I think it's clear that E1 won't cut the west bank into two...

Thomas

(i) http://www.zeit.de/p...kampf-besatzung

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You're welcome Joe,

meanwhile, the Simon Wiesenthal Center explained a bit how the criticism against Augstein has been meant. They meant the quotations only, not the person (how friendly), says Abraham Cooper according to Die Zeit (i). However, if he failed to apologize correctly, he would be deemed an anti-semite? Abraham Cooper layed out according to Die Zeit that they had a close look on how he would react now. Interesting.... waiting for things to come.

According to the same article, the President of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, Dieter Graumann, condemned what Augstein has declared.

Greetings,
Thomas

(i) http://www.zeit.de/g...smus-wiesenthal




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