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WN: More evidence of 'death panels' in Obamacare - WND

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The foundations for health-care rationing and even so-called death panels may have already been quietly laid in largely unreported sections of President Obama's health-care legislation, WND has found.

http://www.worthynew...-in-obamacare-/

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Another WND article that doesn't actually match the title. They count on the fact that most won't read the full article and.....they're usually right. I DID read it; it's about RESEARCH and not funding treatments which don't prolong the life of the patient. It's NOT about a panel making direct health care decisions.

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not only does it not match it, it's really totally opposite..... another situation where WND makes conservatives look like radical idiots.

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maybe it opened up the wrong article for you two? it matched it for me, perfectly when I read it, I especially like this paragraph "Obamacare contains largely unreported text that allows the health secretary to limit any “alternative treatments” of the elderly, disabled or terminally ill if such treatments are not recommended by the new research institute." speaks to the title very well if you ask me. Maybe you should read the article all the way through, just because it doesnt have "death panel" every other word, and it goes through and lists the different areas and wording, doesnt mean thats not what is about.

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Wake Up the hour is Late and Obamacare will be used against us in ways no one could imagine. It's already being used to persecute Christians.

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Dave, if you don't mind could you give me a backdrop on how it is being used to persecute the saints?

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maybe it opened up the wrong article for you two? it matched it for me, perfectly when I read it, I especially like this paragraph "Obamacare contains largely unreported text that allows the health secretary to limit any “alternative treatments” of the elderly, disabled or terminally ill if such treatments are not recommended by the new research institute." speaks to the title very well if you ask me. Maybe you should read the article all the way through, just because it doesnt have "death panel" every other word, and it goes through and lists the different areas and wording, doesnt mean thats not what is about.


Maybe YOU should read it again; those statements refer to RESEARCH on those types of treatments.

I reiterate: " I DID read it; it's about RESEARCH and not funding treatments which don't prolong the life of the patient. It's NOT about a panel making direct health care decisions. " Would you prefer that money by invested in treatments that benefit no one? Where does that money come from?

There's no reason to be snarky, Patriot. :lightbulb2:

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Wake Up the hour is Late and Obamacare will be used against us in ways no one could imagine. It's already being used to persecute Christians.


What?? How??

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Dave, if you don't mind could you give me a backdrop on how it is being used to persecute the saints?


Wake Up the hour is Late and Obamacare will be used against us in ways no one could imagine. It's already being used to persecute Christians.


What?? How??



This maybe?

"This controversy is about the fact that the government is forcing pro-life business owners to pay for chemical abortions."



That's a quote from the Hobby Lobby story.

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maybe it opened up the wrong article for you two? it matched it for me, perfectly when I read it, I especially like this paragraph "Obamacare contains largely unreported text that allows the health secretary to limit any “alternative treatments” of the elderly, disabled or terminally ill if such treatments are not recommended by the new research institute." speaks to the title very well if you ask me. Maybe you should read the article all the way through, just because it doesnt have "death panel" every other word, and it goes through and lists the different areas and wording, doesnt mean thats not what is about.


Maybe YOU should read it again; those statements refer to RESEARCH on those types of treatments.

I reiterate: " I DID read it; it's about RESEARCH and not funding treatments which don't prolong the life of the patient. It's NOT about a panel making direct health care decisions. " Would you prefer that money by invested in treatments that benefit no one? Where does that money come from?

There's no reason to be snarky, Patriot. :lightbulb2:


Im not being snarky, im pointing out that the title is what the article is about.

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maybe it opened up the wrong article for you two? it matched it for me, perfectly when I read it, I especially like this paragraph "Obamacare contains largely unreported text that allows the health secretary to limit any “alternative treatments” of the elderly, disabled or terminally ill if such treatments are not recommended by the new research institute." speaks to the title very well if you ask me. Maybe you should read the article all the way through, just because it doesnt have "death panel" every other word, and it goes through and lists the different areas and wording, doesnt mean thats not what is about.



Alternative treatments is what this is talking about, not treatments in general. Think about that Alternative is....... you have one treatment and someone wants to do some other. If they have researched it and found that it does not work for the patient, then it will not be paid for by the government. Even in some cases, treatments that cost a half million dollars will only keep people alive for less than three or four months....... it doesn't make a lot of sense to spend that much to live for three months. Call that cold is you will, but it's crazy to do so...... get yourself ready and meet your maker.

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Dave, if you don't mind could you give me a backdrop on how it is being used to persecute the saints?



Hobby Lobby and the Catholic Church.

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maybe it opened up the wrong article for you two? it matched it for me, perfectly when I read it, I especially like this paragraph "Obamacare contains largely unreported text that allows the health secretary to limit any “alternative treatments” of the elderly, disabled or terminally ill if such treatments are not recommended by the new research institute." speaks to the title very well if you ask me. Maybe you should read the article all the way through, just because it doesnt have "death panel" every other word, and it goes through and lists the different areas and wording, doesnt mean thats not what is about.



Alternative treatments is what this is talking about, not treatments in general. Think about that Alternative is....... you have one treatment and someone wants to do some other. If they have researched it and found that it does not work for the patient, then it will not be paid for by the government. Even in some cases, treatments that cost a half million dollars will only keep people alive for less than three or four months....... it doesn't make a lot of sense to spend that much to live for three months. Call that cold is you will, but it's crazy to do so...... get yourself ready and meet your maker.


Who determines whether it works or not? (You guy's have got to remember who it is that you are dealing with.)

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maybe it opened up the wrong article for you two? it matched it for me, perfectly when I read it, I especially like this paragraph "Obamacare contains largely unreported text that allows the health secretary to limit any “alternative treatments” of the elderly, disabled or terminally ill if such treatments are not recommended by the new research institute." speaks to the title very well if you ask me. Maybe you should read the article all the way through, just because it doesnt have "death panel" every other word, and it goes through and lists the different areas and wording, doesnt mean thats not what is about.



Alternative treatments is what this is talking about, not treatments in general. Think about that Alternative is....... you have one treatment and someone wants to do some other. If they have researched it and found that it does not work for the patient, then it will not be paid for by the government. Even in some cases, treatments that cost a half million dollars will only keep people alive for less than three or four months....... it doesn't make a lot of sense to spend that much to live for three months. Call that cold is you will, but it's crazy to do so...... get yourself ready and meet your maker.


Who determines whether it works or not? (You guy's have got to remember who it is that you are dealing with.)

I can't tell you who will be on the board in the future but right now they are doctors, hospital controller people, patients and some general public along with people in the Pharisaical realm.

I can't tell you that it won't change....... but you really can't tell me that it will either.

But this article even points out that when they are deciding these things they can't put a young person over an older person in the decision making. There are times when older people are much healthier than young, especially if the young is or has been on drugs or alcohol.
Carrying things to the absolute worst just doesn't seem fair to anyone in this whole situation. There are so many things that Obama and Pelosi/Reid can't get the rest of Washington to go along with that it's hard for me to go along with your stand with everything being the absolute worst thing we might think of.

That kind of thinking/talking is hurting the Conservative movement because the people we need to be agreeing with us just think we are a bunch of paranoid nuts.

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maybe it opened up the wrong article for you two? it matched it for me, perfectly when I read it, I especially like this paragraph "Obamacare contains largely unreported text that allows the health secretary to limit any “alternative treatments” of the elderly, disabled or terminally ill if such treatments are not recommended by the new research institute." speaks to the title very well if you ask me. Maybe you should read the article all the way through, just because it doesnt have "death panel" every other word, and it goes through and lists the different areas and wording, doesnt mean thats not what is about.



Alternative treatments is what this is talking about, not treatments in general. Think about that Alternative is....... you have one treatment and someone wants to do some other. If they have researched it and found that it does not work for the patient, then it will not be paid for by the government. Even in some cases, treatments that cost a half million dollars will only keep people alive for less than three or four months....... it doesn't make a lot of sense to spend that much to live for three months. Call that cold is you will, but it's crazy to do so...... get yourself ready and meet your maker.


Who determines whether it works or not? (You guy's have got to remember who it is that you are dealing with.)

I can't tell you who will be on the board in the future but right now they are doctors, hospital controller people, patients and some general public along with people in the Pharisaical realm.

I can't tell you that it won't change....... but you really can't tell me that it will either.

But this article even points out that when they are deciding these things they can't put a young person over an older person in the decision making. There are times when older people are much healthier than young, especially if the young is or has been on drugs or alcohol.
Carrying things to the absolute worst just doesn't seem fair to anyone in this whole situation. There are so many things that Obama and Pelosi/Reid can't get the rest of Washington to go along with that it's hard for me to go along with your stand with everything being the absolute worst thing we might think of.

That kind of thinking/talking is hurting the Conservative movement because the people we need to be agreeing with us just think we are a bunch of paranoid nuts.


Keep telling yourself these things Sam.

I will say that it is telling that the sane rationale is now called paranoid and nuts.

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maybe it opened up the wrong article for you two? it matched it for me, perfectly when I read it, I especially like this paragraph "Obamacare contains largely unreported text that allows the health secretary to limit any “alternative treatments” of the elderly, disabled or terminally ill if such treatments are not recommended by the new research institute." speaks to the title very well if you ask me. Maybe you should read the article all the way through, just because it doesnt have "death panel" every other word, and it goes through and lists the different areas and wording, doesnt mean thats not what is about.




Alternative treatments is what this is talking about, not treatments in general. Think about that Alternative is....... you have one treatment and someone wants to do some other. If they have researched it and found that it does not work for the patient, then it will not be paid for by the government. Even in some cases, treatments that cost a half million dollars will only keep people alive for less than three or four months....... it doesn't make a lot of sense to spend that much to live for three months. Call that cold is you will, but it's crazy to do so...... get yourself ready and meet your maker.


This is the problem I have with socialized medicine, or anything that the government pays for, really.

If I pay, I get to decide on the treatment. If the government's footing the bill, they have control. They may decide to give me some choices, and from what I know of folks that depend on government-provided healthcare, they do have some choice in things, but not like if it was private-pay, and from what I know of the Affordable Healthcare Act, the trend doesn't seem to be headed towards the direction of more choices for the patient. Of course many people can't afford to self-pay and are forced to just take what the government is willing to give them.

On the other hand, government-provided healthcare is funded by taxpayers. It's really unfair to ask them to pay untold amounts on treatments that may not work, or may not do much good, like in your example. I suppose this is why folks keep going on about these "death panels". It's only logical that there's going to have to be someone or a group that looks out for the program's bottom line and assesses cost to benefit ratio. This is one of the eventualities in the way this bill is set up that leads me to the conclusion that the approach is totally wrong.




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