Solomon didn't lose the kingdom because of polygamy. He lost the kingdom because of idolatry. Had he continued serving God, even though he had 700 wives and 300 concumbines, the kingdom would have remained in tact. Solomon's example shows what God meant by a king multiplying wives. He didn't mean it was a sin for the king to have more than one wife. He was warning against someone doing as Solomon did. He married many heathen wives to form alliances.
Hellooooo? You are ignoring the scripture where God tells kings of Israel not to multiply wives. Solomon multiplied...direct disobedience = SIN. He lost his kingdom because of disobedience, polygamy being one of the reasons. I know why he married many heathen wives...his only alliance should have been with God...what Solomon did actually emphasizes the problems with polygamy....most men would prob like 2 or 3 (of those who agree with polygamy...or defend it) because they simply cannot afford more. I think that there is probably a spirit of harlotry in such actions....on the man's part.
When someone says they are ok with women dressing in apparel like a man, it sounds warning bells to me. It says to me they have had a feminist influence in their life, and are in rebellion. Sorry, but that is how I see that. When someone says they are ok with new Bible translations, it sounds warning bells to me. I believe they want wiggle room to bend and shape scripture to mean something it was never intended to mean. See, we can all play that game. We all have those warning bells that go off, based on our beliefs
Why are you bringing up women's clothing? How about men's heart attitudes to women? One man...one woman...God's plan right from the beginning.
I am a woman. I do not wear men's apparel. If I am cold and my husband offers me his jacket, that's a sin? That is how you sound at this point.
Yes, well, what you are calling sin regarding women wearing jeans or whatever, is exactly what you express regarding bending scripture...only in
reverse but it has the same effect.
It sounds like you judge by outward appearances. God looks on the heart. That, was why David could be called a man after God's heart....not
because he did not sin, but because of the heart he had for God. You see, it is not about outward things....normal outward things....I am not
discussing cothing deliberately designed to tempt....in either gender.
This is neither here nor there, but I mentioned nothing about new Bible translations..why do you? What bearing does that have on anything being
discussed? At any rate, it does not matter the translation, none of them will say what you are trying to say regarding polygamy or women. Women
are not second class citizens and frankly, with the attitude some men have, I can understand why there has been such a backlash. I am too young
to have been a part of all of that, I have always been able to vote and drive and express an opinion. I think some men would like to change that
back to the way it was. Seriously.
As for being an expert in the original Greek and Hebrew, I don't have to be. I have my KJV Bible, based on the TR. I have my Greek and Hebrew Dictionary. I believe that makes me more of an expert on Biblical truth than anyone that uses modern translations that come from the latest manuscripts dug up in caves. Yes, you can know your Greek and Hebrew backwards and forwards, and you can turn to the manuscripts that exist today, but I put no faith in those manuscripts.
Reading the above, with all those "I's", it seems to me that you place your own opinion over anyone else. Yet, the Bible states 'until WE ALL come into the fullness of Christ, so I am not sure what point you are making since depending on yourself and no one else is not a Christian concept.
Even when someone posts scripture from new translations, I don't accept anything they say until I go back and read it in the KJV Bible. I believe I know as much, if not more, about the Bible, than most of those men who write the commentaries. I believe I have more understanding than most of them. Sound arrogant to you? So what? Those people are just men. They make mistakes all the time, which is evident by the fact the commentaries don't agree with each other. If you ask those men if they are confident in what they say, I guarantee you they will say in full assurance they are
Arrogant? No...a little cultish actually. You are just a man too. Really. You trip yourself up with what you state about men who probably would not even make the type of statement that you say I might find arrogant. You really are saying quite a mouthful here by the way.
I don't put anymore credence in anything they say than what I have learned from personal study, and the Holy Spirit as my guide. I would also suggest you can learn more from simply studying the Bible and seeking God for the correct interpretation, than from seeking a commentary for answers. Those people aren't God. They don't know it all. People assume that because you can get a book in print you are some kind of expert. That is not always the case. Believe what you will, but you haven't convinced me you are right, and you sure aren't going to win me over by asking if I am an expert in Greek and Hebrew?
Actually, you seem to be making the wild assumptions here. Perhaps the people in your circles assume only experts write books, but I certainly do not and frankly you seem to elevate yourself above most people.
I do not believe as I will. My faith is tested and most likely will be more so. It is not willy nilly and I do know where of I speak...which is why I say
a whole lot less than you would know.
You have expressed yourself quite well and thank you.
You are right on one thing though, the Bible is correct.....
I didn't mention clothing or Bible translations to argue those points Sevenseas. You missed my point. I was only saying that we all have those "warning bells." When we read the post of others, we make judgments about them, and their motives. You make judgements about me based on a comment I made about being able to accept a polygamist, and I was merely pointing out that I make judgments about others based on the things they say. I just don't normally take the time to tell them because I figure they are as concerned about my warning bells as I am about theirs, which isn't much.
I am totally convinced that had Solomon continued to stay away from idolatry, he never would have lost the Kingdom. This command to kings not to "multiply wives," had a reason. It was to prevent them from falling into the trap Solomon did. It is like in the New Testament where it says that we should keep our mind on things that are pure, lovely, just, of a good report, things with virtue and praise. This is good to do, but you can't live in the world and avoid things that don't fall into this category. Does that mean you are in sin everytime you look at the evil in the world? Of course not, but when you dwell on evil all the time, it makes you more likely to fall into sin, by being seduced by the evil. Solomon having all those heathen wives led to the sin that cost him the Kingdom, idolatry.
My point on clothing here wasn't to deal with that subject directly, but there is one thing I want to address, and that is the topic of legalism that comes up a lot. I would be accused of legalism for my view on clothing, but I see you as just as much of a legalist as I am, based on your willingness to twist scripture to try to find cause to see polygamy as a sin. I started a thread sometime back on legalism, showing many of the legalistic views all of us have. I mean views that aren't specifically spelled out in scripture as wrong, and the point was to show we are all legalistic to one point or another, and there is nothing wrong in that. I would look at the woman who comes to church in jeans as doing something that is an abomination, but would overlook the man with two wives, and you would likely be ok with the woman in jeans, but think the polygamist was in sin. I have as much scripture to back me up as you do, so we are both making a leap, based on how we personally see things.
You are missing one other point. I am not only elevating myself above the author of the commentaries you site, but I am saying you can know as much or more than they do through personal study with the assistance of the Holy Spirit. I am nothing special. I don't have anymore ability to learn more than most others do. I just happen to have spent a great deal of time in the Bible. It is something I have a great deal of interest in, so naturally I am going to know a lot about it. I used to know a guy who was such a sports fan, he could tell you every player on nearly every team in every sport. I couldn't do that, but it is not because I don't have the ability to learn the information. It is simply because I am just a casual sports fan, and don't care to spend the time knowing those things. I will gladly admit this guy is more of an expert on sports than I am. The same thing applies with scripture. The more time spent in the Bible, the more you will know about it. I don't trust commentaries.
Let me point something else out to you about commentaries. Lets suppose I start out to write a commentary? If I undertake that task, I have to plan on commenting as an expert on everything in the Bible. Naturally, I fully understand some things, but don't others, but I still have to complete the book. I can't write in the book that I don't know the meaning of anything, or you won't have confidence in the rest, so I come up with something to say on everything, right or wrong. Some of the things I say are my own guesses, and some come from the writings of others. As such, all you are getting is one man's opinion. The only thing commentaries are good for is an opinion. It is not much better than asking others at WB their opinion of something. You can't automatically assume that the information is right. That includes anything I may say.