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  1. 1. Was Jesus God?

    • Yes, Jesus was and is God.
    • No, Jesus was a man.

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From discussion in this original thread: http://www.worthychr.../page__st__20

This thread has two questions:

A. Was Jesus God?

B. Was Jesus 100% man and 100% God?

Interesting to read your thoughts. Bliblical backing is always welcomed. Looking forward to a good discussion. :thumbsup:

God bless,

GE

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A) Of course Jesus is God. Was He? NO, because He still is! :)

Deuteronomy 6:4

"Hear O Israel: The LORD our GOD, The LORD is one!"

He is not 3 but one! We are made in the Image of God, as there are three parts to Him, there is likewise in us. Jesus Christ represents the Body of God, God in physical form.

John 4:1-10

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins."

If one does not believe that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh of God then they are taking away from the fullness of Him.

1 John 2:22-23

"Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either, he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also."

You cannot deny the Father, Son relationship.

B) I think John 1 sums this up nicely.

John 1:1-4

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men." Then verse 14 says: "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

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Yes, and IS......

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That's why the Jews killed Him .... He claimed 100% God and they saw 100% man...

The pathetic aspect-> Living in His Creation and all its complexities and then doubting

the possibility That God could do this thing...dumb founds me! Love, Steven

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Yes, and IS......

I agree Jesus was and is God. :)

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This thread has two questions:

A. Was Jesus God?

B. Was Jesus 100% man and 100% God?

Interesting to read your thoughts. Bliblical backing is always welcomed. :thumbsup:

God bless,

GE

The answer to (A) is: Yes...Jesus is, was, and always shall be God.

John 1:1 & 1:14 testifies to this, as well as 1 Timothy 3:16:

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. (emphasis mine).

To name just a few.

I also believe that Jesus was 100% human as well as 100% divine.

I think one of the most compelling arguments for His humanity comes from the OT law and role of the Kinsman Redeemer (goel), and the fact that Jesus fulfilled the law.

One of the duties of the Kinsman Redeemer was to buy back his near kin who had sold themselves into slavery, as well as to buy back property that had been sold by his near kin.

Under Levitical Law the Kinsman Redeemer had to be:

1) A man

2) An Israeltie

3) The nearest male family member

Jesus fulfilled the Law when He by His sacrifice "purchased" us out of our slavery to sin...redeemed us...and He did that for "whosoever" (Jn 3:16 et.al).

How then could Jesus be our Kinsman Redeemer if He was not of our family: e.g. A Human being? If He was not fully human, then He could not have filled that role.

Again Galatians 4:3-5 says: Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world. But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. (Emphasis mine)

And Romans 5:14-15 states: Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. (emphasis mine)

1 Timothy 2:5 puts it this way: For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

So all things taken together I think testify that Jesus Christ is fully God, and was also fully man.

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nope, He is God.

yep, to the nth degree.

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Did Jesus operate on Earth as a God, or a man filled with the Holy Spirit being an example to us.

Both.

He operated as God in many ways, for example forgiving sins.

But, being confined to a human body with a human brain, His essence had human restrictions.

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A. Was Jesus God?

This is a sample of Jesus's names...

Wonderful (Is. 9:6)

King of Kings and Lord of Lords (Rev. 17:14)

The Word (John 1:1)

The Light (John 12:35)

The Rock (Matt. 16:18)

The Chief Corner-Stone (1 Pet. 2:6)

The Foundation (1 Cor. 3:11)

The Righteous (1 John 2:1)

The Messiah, also called the Christ (John 4:25)

The Lamb of God without blemish or spot (John 1:29, 1 Pet. 1:9)

The Lamb – The Overcomer (Rev. 17:14)

The Redeemer (Is. 59:20)

The Truth (John 14:16)

The Righteous Judge (Acts 17:31, 2 Tim. 4:8)

The Just One (1 Pet. 3:18, Acts 7:52)

The Gift of God (John 3:16, 4:10)

The Holy Child Jesus (Acts 4:27)

The Bridegroom (Matt. 9:15, Rev. 21:9)

The Way (John 14:6)

The Good Shepherd – that laid down His Life (John 10:11)

The Sacrifice and Offering (Eph 5:2)

The Deliverer (Rom. 11:26)

The True Vine (John 15:1, 15)

The Bread of God (John 6:33)

The Bread of God that came down from Heaven (John 6:41)

The King of Glory (Ps. 24:10)

The King of Peace and Righteousness (Heb. 7:2)

God bless,

GE

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A. Was Jesus God?

B. Was Jesus 100% man and 100% God?

What does the Bible say about Jesus’s identity?

The Son (1John 4:14)

The Son of God (John 1:34)

The Son of the living God (Matt. 16:16)

His only begotten Son (John 3:16)

The Son of the Father (1John 1:3)

The only begotten of the Father (John 1:14)

The only begotten Son (John 1:18)

The first-born of every creature (Col. 1:15)

His own Son (Rom. 8:32)

A Son given (Isa. 9:6)

One Son - His beloved (Mar. 12:6)

My Son (Ps. 2:7)

His dear Son (or the Son of his love) (Col. 1:13)

The Son of the Highest (Luke 1:32)

The Son of the Blessed (Mar 14:61)

God bless,

GE

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Allofgrace from:

http://www.worthychr...#entry1913555

I think on this one Mike is right that Jesus did not always know what one was thinking.

Lol!!! I will take this as a rare compliment. My name is Mike, and I agree with all of Allofgrace's Message!!

Golden Eagle, you are dodging scriptures brother. Jesus was tempted, God can't be tempted. Can you sort that out?

We don't need a Jesus is God thread. John Called him God, and Thomas Called him God, and Jesus did not correct Thomas for doing so.

God his Father, also called him God. Good enough for me. Jesus Is God!!!

question.

Did Jesus operate on Earth as a God, or a man filled with the Holy Spirit being an example to us. Even we are told things ahead of time by the Holy Spirit, that don't make us God All knowing.

Jesus Is Lord.

Are these the passages you are referring to from this post? http://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/161299-matt-85-13-jesus-heals-a-centurion%e2%80%99s-servant/page__st__20#entry1912864

Golden Eagle:

Okay here you say Jesus is 100% God. Is God Omniscient? I would say yes. Would you?

WoW Golden Eagle. I hope you have more depth than this. Using what I said, to fling fourth a doctrine of yours, while ignoring the other scriptures, I gave. Look, I don't have to be right, or try to prove you wrong. If in anyway I can get you to see something, then it's worth continuing. I'll try one more time.

Is God Omniscient? You would say yes, and of Course I should say yes. I have learned through the years to stick 100% with scriptures, allow no contradictions. If it's not in the Word, then not interested.

AMP with footnote: I could not find the footnote in my other amplified bibles but this came up in search.

Pro_2:5 Then you will understand the reverent and worshipful fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of [our omniscient] God.(A)

You bring a word in here that has no Greek or Hebrew equivalent. We have to accept the Non bible understanding as being a bible understanding. We should never do that. We stick only with the Word.

Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

I won't go into this further, I can clearly show you passages where God did not know something. You have to add and twist to make the scriptures say different. The question is was Jesus God, and if God, would he have not known what the Centurion was going to ask ahead of time.

If Jesus was God then..................

Jas_1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

God can not be tempted, won't even cross his mind. Jesus was tempted, and tempted in about every thing like we are tempted to do wrong, yet Jesus did not sin.

So, was Jesus God?

If so why was he tempted?

I'll let you ponder this one.

Jesus Is Lord.

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not only was Jesus God, He still is God

Rev 1:8

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Rev 1:11

Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Rev 1:18

I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

when did the Almighty. Alpha and Omega, the First and Last, die? when Jesus Christ was hanging on the cross

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Thought I might help you out a bit GE and move my response to here.

Golden Eagle:

Okay here you say Jesus is 100% God. Is God Omniscient? I would say yes. Would you?

WoW Golden Eagle. I hope you have more depth than this. Using what I said, to fling fourth a doctrine of yours, while ignoring the other scriptures, I gave. Look, I don't have to be right, or try to prove you wrong. If in anyway I can get you to see something, then it's worth continuing. I'll try one more time.

Is God Omniscient? You would say yes, and of Course I should say yes. I have learned through the years to stick 100% with scriptures, allow no contradictions. If it's not in the Word, then not interested.

AMP with footnote: I could not find the footnote in my other amplified bibles but this came up in search.

Pro_2:5 Then you will understand the reverent and worshipful fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of [our omniscient] God.(A)

You bring a word in here that has no Greek or Hebrew equivalent. We have to accept the Non bible understanding as being a bible understanding. We should never do that. We stick only with the Word.

Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

I won't go into this further, I can clearly show you passages where God did not know something. You have to add and twist to make the scriptures say different. The question is was Jesus God, and if God, would he have not known what the Centurion was going to ask ahead of time.

If Jesus was God then..................

Jas_1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

God can not be tempted, won't even cross his mind. Jesus was tempted, and tempted in about every thing like we are tempted to do wrong, yet Jesus did not sin.

So, was Jesus God?

If so why was he tempted?

I'll let you ponder this one.

Jesus Is Lord.

Remember that Jesus being fully GOD, is also fully Man. It is obvious, and true that His physicality was tempted, but looking deeper into this, He had to be tempted. Above all else we learn that He was lead to do so by the spirit, for this was a fulfillment of Hebrews 4:15 "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin." He needed and had to be tempted in every way, for in this He has sympathy upon His people, knowing the trials it brings upon us and how hard it can be! Now, Christ being sinless, did not take upon this temptation rather rebuked Satan, by this I mean, that the sin did not take seed, had it, He would not have been sinless.

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Taking that a step further, from what I have found, the word being used as "tempt" is translated as put under trial. Food for thought.

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A & B = Absolutely yes.

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Jesus was tempted, God can't be tempted. Can you sort that out?

Oh Oh! Pick me! Pick me!

Jesus was tempted means he was put in situations that proved him, they proved that he could not be tempted by sin as if he might chose to do so. We are admonished not to tempt the Lord our God who is the same God that can't be tempted. God has no desire to do that which is sinful and therefore cannot be tempted to sin.

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The Holy Spirit working through David makes the following statement

A Psalm of David.

110

The Lord said to my Lord,

“Sit at My right hand,

Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

God the Lord is speaking to Jesus and calls Him Lord.

Then Jesus quotes the same passage in Mark

Mark 12:36

New King James Version (NKJV)

36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,

“Sit at My right hand,

Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”’

That pretty much settles it - Don't you think? They are One yet 3, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

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Jesus was tempted, God can't be tempted. Can you sort that out?

Oh Oh! Pick me! Pick me!

Jesus was tempted means he was put in situations that proved him, they proved that he could not be tempted by sin as if he might chose to do so. We are admonished not to tempt the Lord our God who is the same God that can't be tempted. God has no desire to do that which is sinful and therefore cannot be tempted to sin.

I agree Gary! :thumbsup:

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The Holy Spirit working through David makes the following statement

A Psalm of David.

110

The Lord said to my Lord,

“Sit at My right hand,

Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

God the Lord is speaking to Jesus and calls Him Lord.

Then Jesus quotes the same passage in Mark

Mark 12:36

New King James Version (NKJV)

36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,

“Sit at My right hand,

Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”’

That pretty much settles it - Don't you think? They are One yet 3, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Excellent passage I agree Little. :thumbsup:

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I think the problem is an assumption's being made that, if Jesus was/is God, He wouldn't be able to do things that Scripture states God doesn't do. I have seen no basis for this assumption.

Jesus was fully man and fully God, having a dualistic nature. This is why He could be tempted(human nature) but resist all temptation every time(divine nature). This is why He could forgive sin(divine nature) and He also slept(human nature). This is also why He was omniscient(divine nature) but also needed to eat and drink(human nature).

Neither nature interfered with nor impeded the other.

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I think the problem is an assumption's being made that, if Jesus was/is God, He wouldn't be able to do things that Scripture states God doesn't do. I have seen no basis for this assumption.

Jesus was fully man and fully God, having a dualistic nature. This is why He could be tempted(human nature) but resist all temptation every time(divine nature). This is why He could forgive sin(divine nature) and He also slept(human nature). This is also why He was omniscient(divine nature) but also needed to eat and drink(human nature).

Neither nature interfered with nor impeded the other.

This is why the gnostics error was revealed- what God/Christ created in the beginning was not

flawed but the sin within that creation was... Not only has Christ so shown us in example but will return

and show us in millennial rule as He brings back the world from utter destruction, due to sin, to garden like status!

Then people will still follow after satan... wow He, The Lord Christ, our only stay! Love, Steven

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The answer that I have come up with, is based primarily (though not exclusively) on Philippians 2:5-11

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Is this: Jesus never "gave up" or "surrendered" any attributes of God (for then He would not be God), but rather that Jesus willingly chose to operate within the constraints or limitations inherent in living as a human being...

He got hungry, tired, and thirsty...felt pain, wept, was tempted...all the things we as people experience.

We have I think a tendency to look at His transfiguration on the mount as a miracle...I think the real miracle is that He kept all that glory hidden within Him the rest of the time!

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Lol!!! I will take this as a rare compliment. My name is Mike, and I agree with all of Allofgrace's Message!!

Golden Eagle, you are dodging scriptures brother. Jesus was tempted, God can't be tempted. Can you sort that out?

Jesus's humanity was tempted and Jesus responded in His humanity with the Word of God and the power of the Holy Spirit. He did it that way in order to model for us how to resist temptation.

question.

Did Jesus operate on Earth as a God, or a man filled with the Holy Spirit being an example to us. Even we are told things ahead of time by the Holy Spirit, that don't make us God All knowing.

Both. Jesus was fully man and fully God with all His attributes of deity fully intact. Jesus was just as all-knowing on earth as He was in heaven.

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Gary:

Jesus was tempted means he was put in situations that proved him, they proved that he could not be tempted by sin as if he might chose to do so. We are admonished not to tempt the Lord our God who is the same God that can't be tempted. God has no desire to do that which is sinful and therefore cannot be tempted to sin.

I get to pick on Gary!!! Praise God!!!

Gary the scripture says he "WAS" Tempted in all ways. So these temptations actually did pull on him. He was in temptation many times. God can not be tempted, won't even give it a thought. So you and Golden Eagle need to read it again.

So His help to us was to actually feel the pressure of doing wrong, constantly nagging at him, constantly going through his mind to do Wrong. He went through that without committing the sin. So, He is able to help us with the same thing, when committing the sin becomes almost unbearable pressure. He knows exactly how we feel, He has a way out, He knows what to do.

Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Jesus did though. He was under pressure far past what any of us have experienced.

Jesus Is Lord.

Once again, Mike, you and I do not see it the same. You believe that to be tested is the same as an inner desire to do that which is evil. You accuse Jesus of wanting to sin but showing restraint. No way. But think what you will. He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh but there was no sin in him to entice him. The devil had to work from without and he could not penetrate because Jesus could not be tempted to sin though he could be tested all day long.

Due to our interaction here, I have gone over all the uses of the word in Greek and have learned some very interesting insights that have solidified my position. You can pick at/on me all day if you like but your still not going to do anything other than help me to understand that Jesus could not or can not be tempted to do evil. Never has, never will. As I am conformed into his image, I am finding that when I am tempted (proved) I am not drawn away by desire as I once was. Some sin that was once very desirable no longer has any appeal. My hope is one day none of it will, by the Grace of God working in me mightily. I suppose if a man has as much trouble with desiring evil things today as he did when he first came to Christ and is only hanging on by a thread, it might seem completely out of reach to think that one could ever stop desiring that which is evil.

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Gary:

Once again, Mike, you and I do not see it the same. You believe that to be tested is the same as an inner desire to do that which is evil. You accuse Jesus of wanting to sin but showing restraint. No way. But think what you will. He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh but there was no sin in him to entice him.

He took on sin when he went to the cross BTW..................

Gary, it's not a temptation if it does not entice you. Not enticement, no temptation.

If I say, Gary, lets go rob us a bank. We need the money. You drive, I'll go in and get the cash. You look at me as if I stepped off a space ship saying. No way. you crazy? Now get out of here Mike and don't come back unless you get some sense about you.

That is not a temptation to rob a bank. You did not give robbing a bank even a second thought.

You don't have to have sin in you to be tempted, you have to have a flesh body, and you have to have your own desire.

Just as God told Satan. You keep trying to entice me to put my hand on Job without cause. There is no reason to hurt Job.

God was not moved a bit by Satan and his nonsense. Satan lies through his teeth, why listen to him anyway?

Now a man at the store accidentally drops 20.00 on the ground and walks away. I spot it, look around, and pick it up. I really could use that 20.00 I think. No, it's not right, I better chase the man down and give it back. I run the man down and hand him his 20.00 he dropped.

I was tempted. I don't have theft in me, because I don't steal, yet at that moment the idea came to keep that money. I still did not sin though, I made the right choice and gave the money back.

Jesus was tempted at all points. He had to make the right choice, though there was some pull on him to do different. There is a difference in the desire of the flesh and strong spirit. Which one wins? Jesus had to deal with being a man, and showed us how that is done, because he went through the same things.

Jesus Is Lord.

Your understanding of temptation is different than what I believe the scriptures teach. When one is tempted to sin and does as you suggest concerning the suggestion of robbing a bank, when the person said no, I resist that temptation and will have no part of it, that is not sin but it is the way saints are to respond every time when tempted to sin, neither give place to the Devil. And you said yourself one has to have their own desire to sin, and Jesus did not have the desire to sin and your reasoning does not equal scripture as proof that He did just because He walked in the flesh. Your illustration about the $20 is the difference in your thinking and the difference in what Jesus would have thought in the first place. And neither of us know His exact thoughts but He is the spotless Lamb of God and when one grows in their sanctification when they see the person drop the $20 dollar bill they will automatically say to him, you dropped your money. One does not have to think, I will keep it.

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