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Whatever about possession of handguns do ye think that semi automatic guns should be sold to the general public. Unless your in a war I can't see any reason to own one.
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I think you hit the nail on the head there oll, unless your in a war. The second amendment wasnt provided to give us protection againt burglers, it was protection against the government, just in case it turns to tyranny and the need arises again for another revolution. And you can't go to war, without the guns to do it.

The real question here is, what is wrong with semi-automatic weapons such as the AR-15? A gun is not evil. A gun is not dangerous. regardless of what kind of action it is, a gun can only do 2 things-function, or fail. People kill people, not guns.
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Anyone know that more people were killed in America by hammer last year than by guns? Are we to outlaw these too?


Hello 1Peterlight,

I have read this claim many times in the recent past ( with a smile ). The hammer to gun ratio is concerning rifles only.

For instance in 2011 there were 8583 gun murder victims which included 323 rifle cases. Hammers etc were used in 496 murder instances.

http://www.fbi.gov/a...e-data-table-11

FYI :D
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Most murders in the US, are commited using weapons of opportunity-knives, hammers, blunt instruments. Just sayin. Mainly, because a lot of murders arnt premeditated.
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Most murders in the US, are commited using weapons of opportunity-knives, hammers, blunt instruments. Just sayin. Mainly, because a lot of murders arnt premeditated.


Hello Pat,

This FBI website lists total murders in USA in 2011 as 12,664.

Of these 8,583 were gun related which leaves 4,081 for all other weapons or methods. This indicates guns are responsible for 67% of all murders in 2011 and therefore the most used tool in murder.

http://www.fbi.gov/a...e-data-table-11

Are these figures incorrect ?
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Whatever about possession of handguns do ye think that semi automatic guns should be sold to the general public. Unless your in a war I can't see any reason to own one....


Cars

In 2011, 32,310 people died in motor vehicle crashes, down 1.7 percent from 2010, according to the U.S. Department of Transportation. In 2010, 32,885 people died in motor vehicle crashes and an additional 2,243,000 people were injured. http://www.rmiia.org..._of_crashes.asp


Too?

Murder Victims by Weapon, 2006–2010

(In 2010 8,775 Died From Firearms ~ Joe) http://www.fbi.gov/a.../10shrtbl08.xls


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Is It Reason?

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. http://www.archives....transcript.html


Or Is It Treason?

In spite of extensive recent discussion and much legislative action with respect to regulation of the purchase, possession, and transportation of firearms, as well as proposals to substantially curtail ownership of firearms, there is no definitive resolution by the courts of just what right the Second Amendment protects. The opposing theories, perhaps oversimplified, are an “individual rights” thesis whereby individuals are protected in ownership, possession, and transportation, and a “states’ rights” thesis whereby it is said the purpose of the clause is to protect the States in their authority to maintain formal, organized militia units. Whatever the Amendment may mean, it is a bar only to federal action, not extending to state or private restraints. The Supreme Court has given effect to the dependent clause of the Amendment in the only case in which it has tested a congressional enactment against the constitutional prohibition, seeming to affirm individual protection but only in the context of the maintenance of a militia or other such public force. ...


And In Whom

Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. Jeremiah 17:5

Should A Body Trust?

Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. Jeremiah 17:7

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On A Personal Note: The Trouble With Those Anti-Islamophobia Lawyers

Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
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Is That They Are Calling Islam's Followers, Liars

Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. Daniel 7:23

And God's Watchmen, Fools

The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Zechariah 12:1-3

May God Have Mercy On Their Souls

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

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Cars

In 2011, 32,310 people died in motor vehicle crashes, down 1.7 percent from 2010, according to the U.S. Department of Transportation. In 2010, 32,885 people died in motor vehicle crashes and an additional 2,243,000 people were injured. http://www.rmiia.org..._of_crashes.asp


Too?

Murder Victims by Weapon, 2006–2010

(In 2010 8,775 Died From Firearms ~ Joe) http://www.fbi.gov/a.../10shrtbl08.xls


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Hello FresnoJoe,

The 32,310 motor vehicle deaths in 2011 is not exclusively murders.

The 2010 figure of 8,775 firearm deaths is exclusively murders.

What is the correlation here ?
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What is the correlation here ?


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What is the correlation here ?


Death


Being consistent and without misrepresentation possibly you should list all firearm deaths including accidental and justifiable homicide.

Otherwise, the data is propaganda.
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Otherwise, the data is propaganda....


Yes Dear One, Yes It Is

Amendment II


A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. http://www.archives....transcript.html


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Otherwise, the data is propaganda....


Yes Dear One, Yes It Is

Amendment II


A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. http://www.archives....transcript.html


Ok :D
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Actually, what I would like to see more then numbers, is percentages. what percentage of car owners die in auto related deaths (all inclusive) compared to what percentage of people die from firearms (all included)
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All deaths by guns:
2011: 32,163
2010: 31,672
2009: 31,347
2008: 31,593
2007: 31,224
2006: 30,896
2005: 30,694
2004: 29,569
2003: 30,136
2002: 30,242
2001: 29,573
2000: 28,663
1999: 28,874

All death by automobiles: (I would of used a different resource, but I found none broken down already)

Year .......Deaths
1999.......41,717
2000.......41,945
2001.......42,196
2002.......43,005
2003.......42,643
2004.......42,836
2005.......43,443
2007.......41,059
2008.......37,261
2009.......33,808
2010.......32,885
2011.......32,367
2011.......34,367
2012.......34,767
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What I would like to know is how far we should go in allowing weapons to be in the hands of citizens. When I look at the second amendment I see it as allowing any and all weapons to be in the hands of average citizens, and any infringement on the availability of state of the art weaponry is unconstitutional as originally intended by the founders. As several already indicated, part of the reason for the second amendment is to protect citizens from government, and how can we adequately protect ourselves from government if we are not allowed to have the same weaponry as they do?

I think it is clear from GOP supporters that hand guns shouldn't be banned, and neither should semi-automatic weapons, and perhaps even full-auto weapons. But what about mini guns, should I be able to prop up a mini-gun on top of my house or car? Should I be able to have a stockpile of grenades and land mines in my house and around my property? My grandpa and uncle used to fly planes, had their own hangers and a variety of aircraft from helicopters to planes, should they and others be allowed to equip hell-fire missiles to their craft? Should they be allowed to have an F-22 fully equipped and loaded with military grade weapons? How about stealth aircraft? Should I be able to have rpg's and anti-air weapons on my land ready to go? If you live near water should you be able to have battleships and submarines capable of major destruction? What about tanks? Should we, as average citizens, be allowed to have chemical weapons, and should there be any restrictions on chemical weapons? Should we be able to have missiles, and launch them from our yard? What about the big one, nuclear weapons, should we allow citizens to buy/make nuclear weapons with the means to use them, even strapping them on long-range missiles?

If you do draw a line somewhere and say no, we shouldn't have X in the hands of citizens, please explain why we shouldn't and why you want to hinder our second amendment right. Also, if you do draw a line, are you against the constitution by making that declaration?
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And The National Protectors Of The Children Take A Long Holiday

In 1996, a total of 1,221,585 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC, representing a slight increase of 0.9% from the number reported for 1995 (6) (Table 1). From 1970 through 1982, the reported number of legal abortions in the United States increased every year (Table 2; Figure 1); the largest percentage increase occurred from 1970 to 1971. From 1976 through 1982, the annual increase declined and reached a low of 0.2% during 1980-1981 and during 1981-1982. From 1983 through 1990, the number of abortions increased again, although moderately (less than or equal to 5% from year to year). However, despite the slight increase in the number of abortions in 1996 compared with 1995, during 1990-1995, the annual number of abortions decreased each year.

The national legal induced abortion ratio (number of legal abortions per 1,000 live births) increased from 1970 through 1980, peaked at 364 per 1,000 live births in 1984, and began to decline steadily in 1987, from 356 per 1,000 to 311 per 1,000 in 1995 (Figure 1; Table 2). From 1995 to 1996, the national abortion ratio increased slightly, from 311 to 314. The national legal induced abortion rate increased from five abortions per 1,000 women aged 15-44 years in 1970 to 25 per 1,000 in 1980. From 1981 through 1992, the rate remained stable at 23-24 abortions per 1,000 women, then declined to 22 in 1993, to 21 in 1994, and to 20 in 1995. In 1996, the abortion rate remained stable at 20 abortions per 1,000 women.

In 1996, as in previous years, most legal induced abortions were performed in California, New York City, Texas, and Florida; the fewest were performed in Wyoming, South Dakota, Idaho, and North Dakota (Table 3) (6). For women whose state of residence was known, approximately 92% had obtained the abortion within the state in which they resided. The percentage of abortions obtained by out-of-state residents ranged from approximately 50% in the District of Columbia to less than 0.5% in Hawaii. For 1996, eight reporting areas could not provide data concerning abortions obtained by out-of-state residents.


Women aged 20-24 years obtained approximately one third (32%) of all abortions; women aged less than 15 years obtained less than 1% of all abortions (Table 4). Abortion ratios were highest for the youngest women (i.e., 723 abortions per 1,000 live births for women aged less than 15 years and 415 per 1,000 for women aged 15-19 years) and for the oldest women (376 per 1,000 live births for women aged 40-44 years). The ratio was lowest for women aged 30-34 years (165 per 1,000 live births) (Figure 2; Table 4). Among adolescents, the abortion ratio was highest for those aged less than 15 years and lowest for those aged 19 years (Table 5).

In contrast to abortion ratios, abortion rates were highest for women aged 20-24 years (38 abortions per 1,000 women) and lowest for women at the extremes of reproductive-age (i.e., two abortions per 1,000 women aged less than 15 years [i.e., 13-14 years] and two per 1,000 women aged 40-44 years) (Table 4).

For women in most age groups, the abortion ratio increased from 1974 through the early 1980s and declined thereafter, particularly for the youngest and oldest reproductive-aged women (Figure 3). Abortion ratios for women aged less than 15 years have been and remain higher than those for the other age groups. Although abortion ratios increased slightly for women aged less than 15 and 15-19 years from 1995 to 1996, these ratios remained among the lowest ever recorded for these age groups. The abortion ratio for women aged 20-34 years (i.e., the group with the highest fertility rate) (7) has remained stable since the mid-1980s.

In 1996, approximately 54% of reported legal induced abortions were obtained at less than or equal to 8 weeks of gestation, and approximately 87% at less than 13 weeks (Table 6). Approximately 16% of abortions were performed during the earliest weeks of gestation (less than or equal to 6 weeks), approximately 17% at 7 weeks, and approximately 21% at 8 weeks (Table 7). Few abortions were provided after 15 weeks of gestation -- approximately 4% of abortions were obtained at 16-20 weeks, and 1.5% were obtained at greater than or equal to 21 weeks (Figure 4; Table 6).
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Actually, what I would like to see more then numbers, is percentages. what percentage of car owners die in auto related deaths (all inclusive) compared to what percentage of people die from firearms (all included)


I did some very rough estimates using unverified data.

32,163 total death by gun ( Onelights figures)
75,000,000 Gun owners in USA ( http://cnsnews.com/n...unters-5-1-2011 )

= 0.043 % deaths per gun owner.


32,367 total car deaths ( Onelights figures )
196,165,666 total licensed drivers ( http://cnsnews.com/n...unters-5-1-2011 )

= 0.0165% deaths per licensed driver.


Therefor the rate of death by gun per gun owner is 0.043/0.0165 = 2.6 times or 260 % more than death by car per licensed driver.

( these stats are extremely unsound and don't mean very much )

Now death by gun while driving is another matter :D
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What has the amount of road deaths got to do with gun deaths. It has nothing to do with the issue. Statistics can be used to back up nearly any argument. My question still stands, unless in war, why would anyone need a semi automatic rifle.
"Guns don't kill people, people do". Yes the person is doing the killing but I guarantee he has more of a chance of succeeding with a gun.
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It's illegal to own guns in Mexico! How many people have died and who is doing the killing?
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What has the amount of road deaths got to do with gun deaths. It has nothing to do with the issue. Statistics can be used to back up nearly any argument. My question still stands, unless in war, why would anyone need a semi automatic rifle.
"Guns don't kill people, people do". Yes the person is doing the killing but I guarantee he has more of a chance of succeeding with a gun.

Anyone who is hunting wild pigs....
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Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.

"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent.

I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!

My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"
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yes! that is the plain and simple truth of the matter, If they took away all the guns hate filled hearts would find alternative means such as poisons and explosives or even a simple house filled with gas fumes has proven to be a dangerous weapon, shall we now regulate how much gas you can use in your furnace.................there won't be enough laws to stop evil in the hearts of men
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