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I started with the post on America under judgement from God because we no longer take Him serious. From there I got to an article by a preacher named Greg Laurie. Laurie talks a lot about the RFID chip which he says we are currently using in our pets. He admits we're a way's off from putting them in us. I think 1 of his main points is the technology to make the things happen, prophesied in the Bible now exists. I agree. In fact I didn't even buy a PC until 1999, because deep down in my soul and spirit, I felt the bad things prophesied could never happen without the technology of the microchip. I still believe that, even though I now own a PC. And even though I survived the Sandy super storm, I still have sores on 2 of my toes from the flood waters.

So yes, I'm scared, because I just lived through a small sample of what God can do to this Earth when and if He chooses to. But I'm also more serious than I ever was about obeying God. Which are you?

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I fully agree that the US is under judgement. I was on the Tom Horn website and listened to Tom and Steve Quayle being interviewed on the Hagmann and Hagmann BlogTalkRadio. There are so many things that are coming that the people of the church are unaware and those who even start to listen or read stop for fear of what the future holds. How much we as Christians will have to experience I cannot imagine and pray we do not yet is to be forewarned not to be forearmed? This is only the beginning. The US has turned it's back on Israel and every time the leadership speaks against that land - God's land, there is a response from God. Why do they not learn? Or do they that arrogant not to heed God's warning? Yet the people suffer. I just read that only 20% of the people of the US put their trust in the Bible - how sad indeed.

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Get yourself into the position with God that He will 'place a difference' between you and the world, just as during the severest judgments on Egypt He 'put a difference' between Israel and the Egyptians."

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both brother. both.

serious as a heart attack, with a fear rooted in awe and reverence.

love to you.

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So yes, I'm scared, because I just lived through a small sample of what God can do to this Earth when and if He chooses to. But I'm also more serious than I ever was about obeying God. Which are you?

Amen~!

God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies. The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.

He rebuketh the sea, and maketh it dry, and drieth up all the rivers: Bashan languisheth, and Carmel, and the flower of Lebanon languisheth.

The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein. Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.

But with an overrunning flood he will make an utter end of the place thereof, and darkness shall pursue his enemies. Nahum 1:2-8

Amen~!

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever. Psalms 111:10

And Amen~!

Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him. Job 13:15

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I fully agree that the US is under judgement. I was on the Tom Horn website and listened to Tom and Steve Quayle being interviewed on the Hagmann and Hagmann BlogTalkRadio. There are so many things that are coming that the people of the church are unaware and those who even start to listen or read stop for fear of what the future holds. How much we as Christians will have to experience I cannot imagine and pray we do not yet is to be forewarned not to be forearmed? This is only the beginning. The US has turned it's back on Israel and every time the leadership speaks against that land - God's land, there is a response from God. Why do they not learn? Or do they that arrogant not to heed God's warning? Yet the people suffer. I just read that only 20% of the people of the US put their trust in the Bible - how sad indeed.

I'm not sure why you think the U.S. is under judgment any more than any other country......in fact, I'd say that Canada and Mexico would be more likely candidates than America, at least for first judgment. How about Europe? Africa? Asia? The Middle East? All of whom persecute Israel; the U.S. is the ONLY country that comes close to giving Israel the support they deserve. Let's be real here instead of repeating what others say.

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Heres the thing. Technology, in and of itself, is not evil. The microchip, is simply a tool, something that can be used for good or bad, its not a sign of judgement at all, what may or may not be a sign of judgement, is what people use it for. Are RFID chips used in pets? yes, my dog even has one. Could they be used in humans? the technology is there, yes. However, Im going to put a couple things in perspective. Number 1 there are no current plans to put them in humans and track them this way. Its not in Obamacare, thats a farce, and there are no other bills out there, even with the UN, that suggests we use them.

Point number 2. Even if the US were to implement RFID chips in human, its NOT the mark of the beast. From my understanding, the mark of the beast is something that will be worldwide. We as christians, get so focused on prophecy, but so focused, on our immediate world, and we forget theres an entire world out there outside the US. While the US, right now, certainly has the capability and technology, to implement RFID chips in everybody, there are literally dozens of countrys, that are nowhere near capable of doing such a task, and are a LONG ways off from doing so. In fact, you would have to have a one world government implemented first, before one could even feasibily, think about implementing such a system.

Point number 3. Correct me if Im wrong, but the mark of the Beast, when it comes, is something that cannot be removed. An RFID chip, can be removed with something as brutal as a pocketknife, or fried with a electric shock. So, in my mind, that makes RFID chips an unlikely candidate for the mark of the beast.

Point 4. There is no reason to live in fear of technology. Whatsoever. Its just a tool. Yes, a tool used by evil, but its also used by good, but even if it was, we serve an almight God, and in the end, our God wins and we will spend eternity living with him. We need to remember Gods promise to us in the Bible, that we dont have to live in fear, there is nothing to be afraid of.

2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

So instead of being afraid of the things of this world, and running away from them, we need to be running towards the world to reach the unsaved before its to late. And technology is there, why not use it to help reach the lost, instead of avoiding it.

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Hi Morning Glory,

Well of course God's judgement is coming on the whole world. I'm not even sure if I think America is going to get it worse than everyone else. But if we do it's because we call ourselves a Christian country. And since we do that, God will expect to see us being more Holy than a country who doesn't even know Him. Or at least a country that doesn't know Jesus. I thought the Bible said this directly, but maybe not. I did find John 9:41 which says: "Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains." And in John 15:22 Jesus said " If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin."

So from these 2 verses alone, I think it's safe to say God will expect more from America than a pagan nation. I seem to recall once hearing that more Bibles are sold, in this country, than any other book. We probably also have more churches than most other nations. My understanding in the Bible leads me to believe that the more a person, or a nation, knows about God, that then all the more will God expect from that person or nation. That's the lesson Jesus was teaching in Matthew 25, about the man going on a journey, and he leaves his money (or talents) with his servants. The more God gives you, the more He expects back from you. As a nation, don't you think God has blessed us immensely? I do. But what are we giving Him back? Gay Boy Scouts, a president that may not even have been born in America. Which is one of the most essential prerequisites a presidential candidate is supposed to have. Legalizing homosexual unions, as well as abortions. The list is never ending.

Let me ask you something, why do you think Canada and Mexico would be more deserving of God's judgement? I really don't know.

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Technology is taking over.People are now using their iPhones to buy groceries.It is coming.Their will be a time in the near future where the chip will be in place.And that will be in a person's body.People will love it.

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I'm old school -

I still use a PC whereas most people I know use their iPhones to do practically everything..

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Here is an interesting question. I see all these people saying that this supposed RFID chip, which isnt even rumored to close to implementation yet, is the mark of the beast and prophesied. Well, heres two questions for you. What is the mark of the beast? where is it prophesied in the Bible? and secondly, what happens first?

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It's in the book of Revelation. And since that book is so highly symbolic I don't try to get specific about what it says. But Mr. Patriot, you have to understand something. I'm only 60 but when I first heard of this mark of the beast, the micro chip didn't exist and many people felt such a thing had to be 100 or more years off. But once we had credit cards with magnetic strips on them, this mark started to sound feasible. And now with this RFID chip, the mark of the beast is very possible. I think that before we have to worry about it we need a one world government, and a power mad dictator. And that would still make it far off. The main thing the Bible says about this mark is no one can buy or sell without it, and that accepting it puts you in league with the devil. So it's scary. It's scary, and we now have the technology to make it happen, which we didn't 30 years ago.

But you need to understand that all my posts have one main message, which is that Christians need to repent and start to obey God like we never have before.

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its a dead link. And I dont want to hear someones opinion on it, I want scriptural support. I want to hear why you think it, not why someone else does. Like I have stated previously, first there is no legislation in action right now to implement a RFID chip. Second, even if there was, it wouldnt be the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast, would have to be a world wide thing-and it would have to be implemented by a one world government. While I can see were on path to that, were not there yet, there is no one world government yet. So, to be scared of a nonexistent RFID chip, makes no logical sense.

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its a dead link. And I dont want to hear someones opinion on it, I want scriptural support. I want to hear why you think it, not why someone else does. Like I have stated previously, first there is no legislation in action right now to implement a RFID chip. Second, even if there was, it wouldnt be the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast, would have to be a world wide thing-and it would have to be implemented by a one world government. While I can see were on path to that, were not there yet, there is no one world government yet. So, to be scared of a nonexistent RFID chip, makes no logical sense.

This is scriptural support.I am sorry it did not work.I will resend it.

http://www.gotquestions.org/mark-beast.html

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The RFID chip can't be the mark of the beast until the world goes into a cashless society. There will be people who would buy and sell with money instead of the chips.

Now once we do go into a global cashless society, literally anything at all could be the mark. For they can just freeze everyone's accounts until you worship the beast and have his mark put on you, and it seems that this is a mark of servitude to the beast.

Mark is to be the name of the beast, his mark or his number. The RFID chip is simply your ID, not the beasts. And anyway, you have to worship the first beast or die, so if you are a Christian, you are not going to worship the beast and will be killed, not offered the mark.

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bopeep, first off, thankyou for fixing the link, secondly, have you read that article? Im going to guess you havent. Because, like man has already stated, that article, is saying exactly what ive been saying. That this supposed RFID chip isnt the mark of the beast. Actual quote from your article

It is important to realize that a medical implant chip is not the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast will be something given only to those who worship the Antichrist.

I dont know how the end times plays out, there are some that think that due to EMPs or whatever, current technology will be wiped out completly, and the mark will be a tattoo, or something similar that you have to have to buy or sell. If technology isnt wiped out, then other one is right in this case-the mark, wont be implemented until we hit a cashless society-and that likely wont happen until after a one world government. And for that to happen, with todays turmoil, It would take a global disaster to bring everyone together under one roof-like say, a rapture or another world war. In either case, you can rest assured that this RFID chip (which doesnt exist yet by the way) is not the mark of the beast.

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bopeep, first off, thankyou for fixing the link, secondly, have you read that article? Im going to guess you havent. Because, like man has already stated, that article, is saying exactly what ive been saying. That this supposed RFID chip isnt the mark of the beast. Actual quote from your article

It is important to realize that a medical implant chip is not the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast will be something given only to those who worship the Antichrist.

I dont know how the end times plays out, there are some that think that due to EMPs or whatever, current technology will be wiped out completly, and the mark will be a tattoo, or something similar that you have to have to buy or sell. If technology isnt wiped out, then other one is right in this case-the mark, wont be implemented until we hit a cashless society-and that likely wont happen until after a one world government. And for that to happen, with todays turmoil, It would take a global disaster to bring everyone together under one roof-like say, a rapture or another world war. In either case, you can rest assured that this RFID chip (which doesnt exist yet by the way) is not the mark of the beast.

I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree on this.I do believe that their will be a literal chip implanted in the body.

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All judement was given to the Son, and He says He judges no one until the last day. So, with the disasters that have been happening with our nation I don't believe it is God's judgement upon America. I believe that is a twisted view of the Father and the nature of reconciliation. There will come a day for judgement, but today isn't that day.

John 12:46 I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

What if the disasters are the result of the devil having more authority? The devil's nature is to kill, steal, and destroy and that is what we are seeing with the disasters hitting America. We will reap the fruit of the king we serve. If America is separating from God and chosing another king, satan, then he has more authority to kill steal and destroy. We know from scripture that satan can cause storms and natural disasters. We see that when Jesus rebuked the storm. We know that the devil is a murderer, we see that in the Sandy school shooting.

1 Samuel 8:10 So Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who asked him for a king. 11 And he said, “This will be the behavior of the king who will reign over you: He will take your sons and appoint them for his own chariots and to be his horsemen, and some will run before his chariots. 12 He will appoint captains over his thousands and captains over his fifties, will set some to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and some to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers, cooks, and bakers. 14 And he will take the best of your fields, your vineyards, and your olive groves, and give them to his servants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and your vintage, and give it to his officers and servants. 16 And he will take your male servants, your female servants, your finest young men, and your donkeys, and put them to his work. 17 He will take a tenth of your sheep. And you will be his servants. 18 And you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, and the Lord will not hear you in that day.”

19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, “No, but we will have a king over us, 20 that we also may be like all the nations, and that our king may judge us and go out before us and fight our battles.”

21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he repeated them in the hearing of the Lord. 22 So the Lord said to Samuel, “Heed their voice, and make them a king.”

1 Samuel 10:17 Then Samuel called the people together to the Lord at Mizpah, 18 and said to the children of Israel, “Thus says the Lord God of Israel: ‘I brought up Israel out of Egypt, and delivered you from the hand of the Egyptians and from the hand of all kingdoms and from those who oppressed you.’ 19 But you have today rejected your God, who Himself saved you from all your adversities and your tribulations; and you have said to Him, ‘No, set a king over us!’ Now therefore, present yourselves before the Lord by your tribes and by your clans."

If the disasters coming upon us are not of God who desires all men to be saved, but of the devil, then we can actually do something about it. We are instructed to pray for all men, and we know that Jesus gave us all authority over the enemy. The only authority the enemy has is through the power of agreement. We are the salt of the earth, salt was used to preserve things, that is why lot and his wife prevented sodom and gamorah from being destroyed until they left the city. I believe instead of coming into agreement with what the devil is doing, if we stand against it through prayer and intercession and live out the ministry weve been given we'll see a change. We have the ministry of reconciliation, not holding the tresspasses against them but reconciling them back to the Father.

1 Timothy 2:1Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, 7 for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ[a] and not lying—a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

2 Corinthians 5:18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Luke 10:18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather[f] rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”

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bopeep, first off, thankyou for fixing the link, secondly, have you read that article? Im going to guess you havent. Because, like man has already stated, that article, is saying exactly what ive been saying. That this supposed RFID chip isnt the mark of the beast. Actual quote from your article

It is important to realize that a medical implant chip is not the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast will be something given only to those who worship the Antichrist.

I dont know how the end times plays out, there are some that think that due to EMPs or whatever, current technology will be wiped out completly, and the mark will be a tattoo, or something similar that you have to have to buy or sell. If technology isnt wiped out, then other one is right in this case-the mark, wont be implemented until we hit a cashless society-and that likely wont happen until after a one world government. And for that to happen, with todays turmoil, It would take a global disaster to bring everyone together under one roof-like say, a rapture or another world war. In either case, you can rest assured that this RFID chip (which doesnt exist yet by the way) is not the mark of the beast.

I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree on this.I do believe that their will be a literal chip implanted in the body.

Your missing the point. First off, what evidence do you have of this RFID chip being implemented soon? theres no legislation in play about it right now, none whatsoever, that Ive seen. Your making invalid assumptions, based on zero evidence. And, as both me and other one has pointed out, even if there was legislation to do so right now so what. Its not the mark of the beast. According to both the Bible, and the very link you gave us. So what would be so evil about this RFID chip? the only thing I can see is invasion of privacy. If you want to believe in it fine, but I think we as christians spend to much time living in fear of things like this, without even knowing why we believe in them. You have presented no evidence that this RFID chip even exists, not alone that its anything to be afraid of, and if there is no evidence, why do you believe it? So I encourage you, to thoroughly research this-as is evident you have not yet-before automatically deciding Im wrong.

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Get yourself into the position with God that He will 'place a difference' between you and the world, just as during the severest judgments on Egypt He 'put a difference' between Israel and the Egyptians."

Amen!

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I started with the post on America under judgement from God because we no longer take Him serious. From there I got to an article by a preacher named Greg Laurie. Laurie talks a lot about the RFID chip which he says we are currently using in our pets. He admits we're a way's off from putting them in us. I think 1 of his main points is the technology to make the things happen, prophesied in the Bible now exists. I agree. In fact I didn't even buy a PC until 1999, because deep down in my soul and spirit, I felt the bad things prophesied could never happen without the technology of the microchip. I still believe that, even though I now own a PC. And even though I survived the Sandy super storm, I still have sores on 2 of my toes from the flood waters.

So yes, I'm scared, because I just lived through a small sample of what God can do to this Earth when and if He chooses to. But I'm also more serious than I ever was about obeying God. Which are you?

In light of your living through Tribulation how does that effect your Eschaetalogical view? Are you a holder of the pre-tribulation rapture theory?

As brother Leonard has stated, a cursory look at scripture will reveal that God is fully capable of protecting and providing for His own, in and through Tribulation. Noah, the Israelites in Egypt, Joseph in slavery and worse, and the three Hebrew youths in Daniel all come to mind.

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Okay, first Patriot you're right that these other things you mentioned have to come before the mark of the beast. And to you it seems like these things can't happen very fast. But you weren't here when Sandy struck. I've been living in this area 55 years, and I never saw anything even close to Sandy. What's more, people 20 and 30 years older than me, never saw anything like Sandy. We're still not back to normal. Some people are still living in tents. If storms like Sandy as well as Earthquakes happen so close together that they ravage the globe, all these things can happen very quickly.

However, Joshua is also right. If all true believers started to pray, as in sack cloth and ashes (a modern day version of that) we can probably hold this back. I'm actually convinced that the reason Jesus said no one knows the time He'd be coming back, is because what we do will effect it. Problem is, I don't see people trying to go back to living moral lives.

I'll just focus on 1 thing, because it's one of the biggest and worst sins we have. Sex. When I was a teen and a young man, abortion was illegal, and many of us worried about that a great deal. The result was that casual sex, so common nowadays,almost didn't exist. And I think things were better back then. Porn was also illegal, and very hard to come by. But then, all very quickly, things changed. As a young man who didn't take God seriously, part of me thought it was good, or fun. But another part of me feared where it was leading to. And I was right. It's actually gone beyond where I feared, because I never thought I'd see the day when homosexuality is so common, and so accepted, that a straight person has to apologize for being straight. But I have heard girls apologize, and even guys.

If we want to delay God's judgement of the Earth, all this has to change. And this is just one thing. There are many more.

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