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Does God have a world view? If so what is it?


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World-View: Origin, German, Weltanschauung,
a comprehensive conception or image of the universe and of humanity's relation to it.


This has come up in two threads recently I've read now. I realize the controversial and difficult nature of this topic. However, I think it is something that should be discussed in its own thread. Looking forward to a good discussion. :thumbsup:

Please discuss the subject and not the person. Realize that it is possible to disagree with someone without insulting them. Also, realize that just because someone disagrees with you they are not attacking you as a person. Please respect each other in the love of God.

God bless,
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John 3:16 - For God so loved the "world" that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.


It has always been God's plan from the beginning that man would live forever in a world where evil did not exist. But of course we all should know that Satan who rebelled against God was lifted up in pride wanted to set himself up as God. Satan entered into the garden lied to Eve and she believed his lies ate of the forbidden tree and Adam followed. From that time Satan has held man captive as man no longer was innocent in God's eyes. Sin entered into the world and physical death followed as a result. Every person that would ever be born would be born in sin and a captive prisoner of Satan. God's view of his created world was corrupted by sin and it has been from that time till now to purge out the evil in the world. As God will create a new heaven and a new earth where evil is abolished forever. Not only is the evil purged but all the suffering that man has had to endure because of sin will be taken away. No more death, sorrow, pain, crying as God himself will wipe our tears away never to come again because of evil.

It has been God's plan before the foundation of the world that all men would be saved. God sent his only begotten Son as the sacrifice as the body of Jesus and his shed blood on the cross was the way, the truth and the life. Jesus was the light of the world as the world was in darkness. It is not God's view for those he created to live in his world to perish but have everlasting life through faith by grace in Jesus Christ God's only Son. All of God's entire creations was put under a curse because sin entered into the world the woman, the man, the serpent and the earth. Since that time until now all of creation groaneth for the curse of sin to be taken away. God's view of his world is to be without the knowledge of evil and this earth as we know it now will be purged with fire and a new heaven and earth will be created. Imagine living in a new world were evil will never enter within it's gates. This is God's view for his creation it is his will and it will come to pass and it's biblical thus being the truth.

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So to re-focus the discussion...

So how do we make sure that our worldview lines up with God's worldview?

What if our or other people we know worldview is different than what is in the Bible?



It is up to each individual to accept the will of God and his will and his world views are recorded in the Word of God the bible. We have to make our calling and election sure. If the people born into this world rejects the plan of God they are in for a very rude awakening when the truth is finally revealed according to the more sure word of prophecy that shall come to pass.

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Does God have a world view? If so what is it?


Definition

World-View: Origin, German, Weltanschauung,
a comprehensive conception or image of the universe and of humanity's relation to it.


This has come up in two threads recently I've read now. I realize the controversial and difficult nature of this topic. However, I think it is something that should be discussed in its own thread. Looking forward to a good discussion. :thumbsup:

Please discuss the subject and not the person. Realize that it is possible to disagree with someone without insulting them. Also, realize that just because someone disagrees with you they are not attacking you as a person. Please respect each other in the love of God.

God bless,
GE




John 3:16 - For God so loved the "world" that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.


It has always been God's plan from the beginning that man would live forever in a world where evil did not exist. But of course we all should know that Satan who rebelled against God was lifted up in pride wanted to set himself up as God. Satan entered into the garden lied to Eve and she believed his lies ate of the forbidden tree and Adam followed. From that time Satan has held man captive as man no longer was innocent in God's eyes. Sin entered into the world and physical death followed as a result. Every person that would ever be born would be born in sin and a captive prisoner of Satan. God's view of his created world was corrupted by sin and it has been from that time till now to purge out the evil in the world. As God will create a new heaven and a new earth where evil is abolished forever. Not only is the evil purged but all the suffering that man has had to endure because of sin will be taken away. No more death, sorrow, pain, crying as God himself will wipe our tears away never to come again because of evil.

It has been God's plan before the foundation of the world that all men would be saved. God sent his only begotten Son as the sacrifice as the body of Jesus and his shed blood on the cross was the way, the truth and the life. Jesus was the light of the world as the world was in darkness. It is not God's view for those he created to live in his world to perish but have everlasting life through faith by grace in Jesus Christ God's only Son. All of God's entire creations was put under a curse because sin entered into the world the woman, the man, the serpent and the earth. Since that time until now all of creation groaneth for the curse of sin to be taken away. God's view of his world is to be without the knowledge of evil and this earth as we know it now will be purged with fire and a new heaven and earth will be created. Imagine living in a new world were evil will never enter within it's gates. This is God's view for his creation it is his will and it will come to pass and it's biblical thus being the truth.


God's view of his world is to be without the knowledge of evil and this earth as we know it now will be purged with fire and a new heaven and earth will be created.



You've made a huge Theological mistake with this statement. God knows full well that we now have the knowledge of both Good and Evil. Our new nature in Christ does not supercede this issue. It's not the knowledge of Good and Evil that are and were the problem. The problem was that we were innocent and did not have the Wisdom to overcome this new nature in which we realized sin. We also were not made for it. Being made of mere earthly quality's we were not transcendent but God is. Evil is derived from having the choice to not choose God. Evil is the absence of God in reality and in our worldview. God gave us the right to choose and yet He is still merciful. This speaks of His Love and Mercy and God is Transcendent. He is not bound by the same limitations as we are and He has the Wisdom that we need to overcome evil. God is not bound by sin, hell, death, and the Grave. We are and still He let us choose.

That knowledge will not cease because we will not cease should we lay hold of His promise. Just because we know about evil doesn't mean that we have to commit it. Christ is our goal and He wasn't without knowledge of evil. He simply overcame it!

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Does God have a world view? If so what is it?


Definition

World-View: Origin, German, Weltanschauung,
a comprehensive conception or image of the universe and of humanity's relation to it.


This has come up in two threads recently I've read now. I realize the controversial and difficult nature of this topic. However, I think it is something that should be discussed in its own thread. Looking forward to a good discussion. :thumbsup:

Please discuss the subject and not the person. Realize that it is possible to disagree with someone without insulting them. Also, realize that just because someone disagrees with you they are not attacking you as a person. Please respect each other in the love of God.

God bless,
GE




John 3:16 - For God so loved the "world" that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.


It has always been God's plan from the beginning that man would live forever in a world where evil did not exist. But of course we all should know that Satan who rebelled against God was lifted up in pride wanted to set himself up as God. Satan entered into the garden lied to Eve and she believed his lies ate of the forbidden tree and Adam followed. From that time Satan has held man captive as man no longer was innocent in God's eyes. Sin entered into the world and physical death followed as a result. Every person that would ever be born would be born in sin and a captive prisoner of Satan. God's view of his created world was corrupted by sin and it has been from that time till now to purge out the evil in the world. As God will create a new heaven and a new earth where evil is abolished forever. Not only is the evil purged but all the suffering that man has had to endure because of sin will be taken away. No more death, sorrow, pain, crying as God himself will wipe our tears away never to come again because of evil.

It has been God's plan before the foundation of the world that all men would be saved. God sent his only begotten Son as the sacrifice as the body of Jesus and his shed blood on the cross was the way, the truth and the life. Jesus was the light of the world as the world was in darkness. It is not God's view for those he created to live in his world to perish but have everlasting life through faith by grace in Jesus Christ God's only Son. All of God's entire creations was put under a curse because sin entered into the world the woman, the man, the serpent and the earth. Since that time until now all of creation groaneth for the curse of sin to be taken away. God's view of his world is to be without the knowledge of evil and this earth as we know it now will be purged with fire and a new heaven and earth will be created. Imagine living in a new world were evil will never enter within it's gates. This is God's view for his creation it is his will and it will come to pass and it's biblical thus being the truth.


God's view of his world is to be without the knowledge of evil and this earth as we know it now will be purged with fire and a new heaven and earth will be created.



You've made a huge Theological mistake with this statement. God knows full well that we now have the knowledge of both Good and Evil. Our new nature in Christ does not supercede this issue. It's not the knowledge of Good and Evil that are and were the problem. The problem was that we were innocent and did not have the Wisdom to overcome this new nature in which we realized sin. We also were not made for it. Being made of mere earthly quality's we were not transcendent but God is. Evil is derived from having the choice to not choose God. Evil is the absence of God in reality and in our worldview. God gave us the right to choose and yet He is still merciful. This speaks of His Love and Mercy and God is Transcendent. He is not bound by the same limitations as we are and He has the Wisdom that we need to overcome evil. God is not bound by sin, hell, death, and the Grave. We are and still He let us choose.

That knowledge will not cease because we will not cease should we lay hold of His promise. Just because we know about evil doesn't mean that we have to commit it. Christ is our goal and He wasn't without knowledge of evil. He simply overcame it!




The knowledge of evil did not exist at all in the earth until Satan entered into the garden and with his lies tempted Eve. At this point a distinction was made between good and evil in the earth concerning the beginning of the human race was concerned. God already had this knowledge for he created both good and evil and knows the difference between the two. God put the tree of the knowledge of both good and evil in the garden and commanded that it should not be eaten from. The effect of partaking with evil brought physical death upon the entire human race in the earth. From the fall in the garden both good and evil began to abound or spread throughout the earth. Whereas before the fall man never experienced evil but only good in an innocence state where they would live forever. But Satan through his subtlety brought temptation into the earth. Satan literally had to use trickery (temptation) to cause the fall of man in the earth. For God does not use temptation to trick man into doing evil if any man be tempted it is not from God.

When Satan comes and tempts us into doing evil man does have the ability to choose between both good and evil. But when man in temptations is lured into doing evil because he is drawn away in weakness by his own lust or desire to be a partaker with evil. This is exactly what happened to Eve in the garden. Satan brought temptation into the earth and went to Eve tempted her with his lies. Satan convinced her that if she ate from the forbidden tree that she surely wouldn't die. Satan through temptation also convinced her that she would be a god. She would be like her Creator (God) who knew the distinction between good and evil and could thus make her own choices regarding the two. Eve was tricked into thinking God was keeping something from her. God has knowledge of everything that happens in this world from the beginning of time to the end of time as we know time.

God worldview is ultimately is to destroy Satan and his kingdom and this will happen according to his plan. When Satan is thrown into the lake of fire in his final destruction the temptation to partake of evil will be done away with forever and ever. Temptation will never be in or be a part of the new heaven and earth.

It is through Christ and only through him that we are made a new creature. In Christ man is set free and no longer a captive (prisoner) of Satan's. Man is freed to walk in the Spirit in fellowship with God. Those who are not in Christ have broken fellowship with God and need to be reconciled to God.

God's purpose and worldview is found in sequence in....

1 Corinthians 15:21-28 - For since by man came death, by man (Jesus) came also the resurrection of the dead...For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive...But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; -afterwards- they that are Christ's at his coming... -Then- cometh the end, -when-he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; -when- he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power...For he must reign
-till- he hath put all enemies under his feet...The last enemy -that shall- be destroyed is death...For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, -it is manifest that he is excepted,- which did put all things under him...And -when- all -things- shall be subdued unto him,
-then- shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, -that God may be all in all-...

This is God's worldview in order of event but the ultimate plan is to subdue all things under him. God is doing through his Son Jesus Christ unto whom he gave all authority and reign. When Christ has subdued all things in the earth then Christ himself will subject himself to God, even the Father. This is the plan of God who is knowledge and wisdom.


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Does God have a world view? If so what is it?


Definition

World-View: Origin, German, Weltanschauung,
a comprehensive conception or image of the universe and of humanity's relation to it.


This has come up in two threads recently I've read now. I realize the controversial and difficult nature of this topic. However, I think it is something that should be discussed in its own thread. Looking forward to a good discussion. :thumbsup:

Please discuss the subject and not the person. Realize that it is possible to disagree with someone without insulting them. Also, realize that just because someone disagrees with you they are not attacking you as a person. Please respect each other in the love of God.

God bless,
GE




John 3:16 - For God so loved the "world" that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.


It has always been God's plan from the beginning that man would live forever in a world where evil did not exist. But of course we all should know that Satan who rebelled against God was lifted up in pride wanted to set himself up as God. Satan entered into the garden lied to Eve and she believed his lies ate of the forbidden tree and Adam followed. From that time Satan has held man captive as man no longer was innocent in God's eyes. Sin entered into the world and physical death followed as a result. Every person that would ever be born would be born in sin and a captive prisoner of Satan. God's view of his created world was corrupted by sin and it has been from that time till now to purge out the evil in the world. As God will create a new heaven and a new earth where evil is abolished forever. Not only is the evil purged but all the suffering that man has had to endure because of sin will be taken away. No more death, sorrow, pain, crying as God himself will wipe our tears away never to come again because of evil.

It has been God's plan before the foundation of the world that all men would be saved. God sent his only begotten Son as the sacrifice as the body of Jesus and his shed blood on the cross was the way, the truth and the life. Jesus was the light of the world as the world was in darkness. It is not God's view for those he created to live in his world to perish but have everlasting life through faith by grace in Jesus Christ God's only Son. All of God's entire creations was put under a curse because sin entered into the world the woman, the man, the serpent and the earth. Since that time until now all of creation groaneth for the curse of sin to be taken away. God's view of his world is to be without the knowledge of evil and this earth as we know it now will be purged with fire and a new heaven and earth will be created. Imagine living in a new world were evil will never enter within it's gates. This is God's view for his creation it is his will and it will come to pass and it's biblical thus being the truth.


God's view of his world is to be without the knowledge of evil and this earth as we know it now will be purged with fire and a new heaven and earth will be created.



You've made a huge Theological mistake with this statement. God knows full well that we now have the knowledge of both Good and Evil. Our new nature in Christ does not supercede this issue. It's not the knowledge of Good and Evil that are and were the problem. The problem was that we were innocent and did not have the Wisdom to overcome this new nature in which we realized sin. We also were not made for it. Being made of mere earthly quality's we were not transcendent but God is. Evil is derived from having the choice to not choose God. Evil is the absence of God in reality and in our worldview. God gave us the right to choose and yet He is still merciful. This speaks of His Love and Mercy and God is Transcendent. He is not bound by the same limitations as we are and He has the Wisdom that we need to overcome evil. God is not bound by sin, hell, death, and the Grave. We are and still He let us choose.

That knowledge will not cease because we will not cease should we lay hold of His promise. Just because we know about evil doesn't mean that we have to commit it. Christ is our goal and He wasn't without knowledge of evil. He simply overcame it!




The knowledge of evil did not exist at all in the earth until Satan entered into the garden and with his lies tempted Eve. At this point a distinction was made between good and evil in the earth concerning the beginning of the human race was concerned. God already had this knowledge for he created both good and evil and knows the difference between the two. God put the tree of the knowledge of both good and evil in the garden and commanded that it should not be eaten from. The effect of partaking with evil brought physical death upon the entire human race in the earth. From the fall in the garden both good and evil began to abound or spread throughout the earth. Whereas before the fall man never experienced evil but only good in an innocence state where they would live forever. But Satan through his subtlety brought temptation into the earth. Satan literally had to use trickery (temptation) to cause the fall of man in the earth. For God does not use temptation to trick man into doing evil if any man be tempted it is not from God.

When Satan comes and tempts us into doing evil man does have the ability to choose between both good and evil. But when man in temptations is lured into doing evil because he is drawn away in weakness by his own lust or desire to be a partaker with evil. This is exactly what happened to Eve in the garden. Satan brought temptation into the earth and went to Eve tempted her with his lies. Satan convinced her that if she ate from the forbidden tree that she surely wouldn't die. Satan through temptation also convinced her that she would be a god. She would be like her Creator (God) who knew the distinction between good and evil and could thus make her own choices regarding the two. Eve was tricked into thinking God was keeping something from her. God has knowledge of everything that happens in this world from the beginning of time to the end of time as we know time.

God worldview is ultimately is to destroy Satan and his kingdom and this will happen according to his plan. When Satan is thrown into the lake of fire in his final destruction the temptation to partake of evil will be done away with forever and ever. Temptation will never be in or be a part of the new heaven and earth.

It is through Christ and only through him that we are made a new creature. In Christ man is set free and no longer a captive (prisoner) of Satan's. Man is freed to walk in the Spirit in fellowship with God. Those who are not in Christ have broken fellowship with God and need to be reconciled to God.

God's purpose and worldview is found in sequence in....

1 Corinthians 15:21-28 - For since by man came death, by man (Jesus) came also the resurrection of the dead...For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive...But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; -afterwards- they that are Christ's at his coming... -Then- cometh the end, -when-he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; -when- he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power...For he must reign
-till- he hath put all enemies under his feet...The last enemy -that shall- be destroyed is death...For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, -it is manifest that he is excepted,- which did put all things under him...And -when- all -things- shall be subdued unto him,
-then- shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, -that God may be all in all-...

This is God's worldview in order of event but the ultimate plan is to subdue all things under him. God is doing through his Son Jesus Christ unto whom he gave all authority and reign. When Christ has subdued all things in the earth then Christ himself will subject himself to God, even the Father. This is the plan of God who is knowledge and wisdom.


God did not create evil.

Temptation will never be in or be a part of the new heaven and earth.


Was Jesus Christ Tempted?

Who will we be like when we are Ressurected? Will we still be men and women?

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God did not create evil


Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."


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Revelation sums up Gods world-view concisely.

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God did not create evil.


The Spirit of the one and true living God spoke these words through the prophet Isaiah in....

Isaiah 45:6-7 - That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else....(7) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and "create evil" I the Lord do all these things.

If God did not create evil then who did? Did God plant and cause to grow the tree of the knowledge of good and "evil" in the midst of the garden of Eden along with the tree of life. If not God then who did?

Was Jesus Christ Tempted?


Yes Jesus Christ was indeed tempted by Satan. It is recorded in several of the gospels one of the accounts is found in...

Matthew 4:1-11 - (emphasis will be on verses 1-4 just to show that Jesus was tempted...)

vs.1...THEN WAS Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be "tempted of the devil"....vs.2..And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungered....vs.3...And when the "tempter" came he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
vs.4...But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Who will we be like when we are Ressurected? Will we still be men and women?


Yes we will still be whatever sex we were created to be at the resurrection of our body. Why wouldn't we be? God isn't going to give our spiritual resurrected body to another being or else you or I personally would not experience the inheritance we have been given in Christ. Because it would be some other creature instead of the male and female creatures he created us to be. Some believe that we will be like the angels in that we will be sexless.

The angels of God were not created male and female they were only male angels created. It is my belief that we will each be individual worshippers of God just as the angels in heaven".

However the saints will sing a song that even the angels in heaven can not sing. For the angel of God do not know about the redemption of man for they were never redeemed and never experienced salvation. For the redeemed of the Lord will sing a new song. The angels can not sing this song but only the redeemed. It is my belief that we will be in heaven just as the angels of God are in heaven. Jesus said that in my Father's house are many mansions for if it were not true I would have told you so. The heavenly city the New Jerusalem which hath twelve foundation and each gate is made of one single solid pearl and the streets are pure gold. This is the inheritance of the saints not the angels.

Revelation 14:1-5 - The 144,000 that were redeemed during the tribulation will sing a song that no one in heaven will be able to learn.

Revelation 5:9 - Those who were redeemed by the blood out of all kindreds, and tongue, and people will sing a new song to the Lamb who redeemed us to God.

1 Peter 1:3-12 - vs.12 - the angels desire to look into the grace of God but they can't understand the redemption of the saints.






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.... Who will we be like when we are Resurrected? Will we still be men and women?


.... Yes we will still be whatever sex we were created to be at the resurrection of our body....


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For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me. Job 19:25-27

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God did not create evil


Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

 

 

 

'Matthitjah' timestamp=post='1927502'

God did not create evil.


The Spirit of the one and true living God spoke these words through the prophet Isaiah in....

Isaiah 45:6-7 - That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else....(7) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and "create evil" I the Lord do all these things.

If God did not create evil then who did? Did God plant and cause to grow the tree of the knowledge of good and "evil" in the midst of the garden of Eden along with the tree of life. If not God then who did?

 

 

 

I realize this thread has been innactive for some time. However, these particular posts I believe needs to be addressed.

 

A. Hebrew

 

The Hebrew word in this passage is “Rah.” In the KJV Bible for examples it occurs 663 and 431 times it is translated as evil. The other 232 times it is translated “wicked”, “bad, “hurt”, “ill”, “sorrow”, “mischief”, “displeased”, “adversity”, “affliction”, “trouble”, “calamity”, “grievous”, “misery”, and “trouble.”

This word is translated as “calamity” in the NASB and NKJV. It is translated as “disaster” in the NIV.

See: http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/7451.htm

 

B. Context

The context of this passage is in speaking of natural phenomena.

 

Isaiah 45:5-7

I am the Lord, and there is no other;
There is no God besides Me.
I will gird you, though you have not known Me,
That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me.
I am the Lord, and there is no other;
I form the light and create darkness,
I make peace and create calamity;
I, the Lord, do all these things.

 

The context of the verse is dealing with who God is – Our God who speaks through natural phenomena such as the sun, light, dark. God is the One who causes peace and calamity. So in context this verse is dealing with natural disasters and human comfort issues. This passage is not speaking of moral evil but rather dealing with calamity, distress, catastrophes, hardships, etc.

 

Also Isaiah is presenting contrasts by mentioned “light” then “darkness” as well as “peace” and “calamity.” This does not have to do with evil from the perspective of ontology, but instead evil experienced by people in the way of calamity.

 

C. Other Passages

 

This concept is consistent with other passages in the Bible. As examples:

 

Exodus 4:11
11 So the Lord said to him, “Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes the mute, the deaf, the seeing, or the blind? Have not I, the Lord?

 

Amos 3:6
If a trumpet is blown in a city, will not the people be afraid?
If there is calamity in a city, will not the Lord have done it?

 

These two passages demonstrate that God is involved in calamity and the everyday issues of mankind’s state. Exodus 4:11 speaks of the condition of frailty we experience. Amos 3:6 speaks of woes to a city.

 

D. God is Pure and Not Evil

 

It is clear throughout Scripture that God is pure and cannot approve of evil.

 

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, His work is perfect;
For all His ways are justice,
A God of truth and without injustice;
Righteous and upright is He.

 

Hab. 1:13
You are of purer eyes than to behold evil,
And cannot look on wickedness.
Why do You look on those who deal treacherously,
And hold Your tongue when the wicked devours
A person more righteous than he?

 

 

So the Hebrew word “Rah” can mean a variety of things in Scripture. Contextually the passage is speaking of natural disasters or calamity. Scripture points to this in other passages. And further God is shown in Scripture to be pure/good and not evil.

 

God bless,

GE






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