We are told that we don't know what we should pray for as we ought, but the SPIRIT HIMSELF MAKES INTERCESSION FOR US with groanings which cannot be uttered.. Romans 8:26-27. We are also told to "PRAY ALWAYS with all prayer and supplication IN THE SPIRIT". EPHESIANS 6:16 And again,---- BUILDING YOURSELF UP on your most holy faith, PRAYING IN THE HOLY SPIRIT, keep yourselves in the love of God,-- Jude 20-21 (1Cor. 14:4 explains that he who speaks in a tongue edifies or builds up himself. v2 also says that he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God.). Finally Paul stated that he was thankful that he spoke with tongues more than you all. 1 Cor. 14:18. NKJV
There are other uses of praying in the Spirit than it being a sign to unbelievers. We are encouraged in several places in the Bible to pray in the Spirit.
This is most often done in private since it was to edify ones self, to intercede or to implore as well as to bless God from our hearts, rather than to be used in the church, ( unless someone could interpret.)
Perhaps tongues have ceased among some church members, but if so it is sad. Evidently Paul greatly valued this gift and found it profitable. It is better to build up the church if one has to choose. But God don't make no junk.
Tongues has accompanied most great awakenings and movements (from the dark ages to anabaptists to methodist), but has also encountered abuses as at the church at Corinth. It is not estatic utterances as some claim, (because many very calm logical people pray in this manner), but instead it is according to the person's personality.
Some traditions quench the Spirit or make excuses for disregarding parts of God's Word, but those individuals who take God's Word most litterally with faith like a little child often find gifts still operating. Perhaps we should all pray "Lord I believe, help my unbelief."
It is sad that so many people find tongues to be a stumbling block when it should be a blessing. But seeing souls saved is the greatest miracle and blessing. It all just needs to be kept in perspective. As long as people are still coming to repentance and confessing Jesus as Lord and Savior, and then being disciipled, the church is healthy and growing. That is what is important.
There is a misconception here. In Romans 8:26-27, it is not the Holy Spirit that is groaning! This is evident if you looked at the previous verses in the context, that is, Romans 8:22 &23. The Holy Spirit only makes known to God what a person is groaning for without expressing in words. Similarly, in Ephesians 6:18 (not 16 as indicated by you) you are taking help of the Holy Spirit--the word used is supplication in KJV--to pray, not that the Holy Spirit prays to God on your behalf! We do not see anywhere in the Bible the Holy Spirit praying to God, let alone for mortals! The Holy Spirit is our Helper to discern the truth, and not sent to pray directly for us!
Similarly, Jude 20 indicates praying with the help of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, a person will continue to pray on his own and praying also for the help of the Holy Spirit in this matter. Please refer KJV Bible that is more authoratative.
Paul is referring to speaking in tongue in prayer is between person and God. That is for personal edification. There is no problem in that. Paul did that personally and separately, never in a church.
Therefore, claim of praying in Spirit is not Bible supported. Of course, one can pray taking the help of the Holy
Spirit. Always one prays with his spirit.
Sorry, IMO Paul never greatly valued this method of praying. In fact, he lists at the end, and advised not to desire this but seek the gift of prophesying. Why one should seek lower grades? Ana Baptists and Methodists were not there at the time Corinthian church.
Edited by GoldenEagle, 16 August 2013 - 08:56 AM.
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