Split from this discussion.... What do you think about breastfeeding? Cover or no cover?
This is worth discussing I beleive in it's own seperate thread. In particular this thread deals with our attitudes: blameshifting, critisizing, controlling, insecurity, jealousy, etc.
I don't think it is helpful to keep introducing what unsaved women do. Somewhere along the line, a Christian woman has to realize that woman could be very well be her if she were not saved.
My SIL cut out the underwear pages in the Sears catalog...I went to order something and borrowed my parents copy (she and my brother were living in their home temporarily). I said to my mom "Where are all the underwear pages?" She replied that my SIL had removed them because she did not want her husband, my brother, to look at those women.
IMO, the person doing the removing of the pages had the problem. With all the magazines out there that have women displayed like goods in a store, did my SIL really believe she had cut off access to what she perceived as my brother's uncontrollable lust? (he was just a normal guy...no uncontrollable lust) Well, while this anecdote is kind of funny (and I had to go shopping in person LOL!) it demonstrates how foolish people can get when they attempt to control the people and the environment around them.
She and I actually had a long talk and she finally admitted to having a problem. The woman was simply jealous. My brother, a good looking guy, would have women try to get his attention... constantly harassing him about something he had no control over, caused problems in their marriage.
Peoples insecurities reveal themselves when someone wants to control everyone and everything around them. They make life difficult for those they love and blame others for what is actually their problem.
I just think I'll mention this verse again: 12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.” I Cor. 5
So Paul's response is simply a Christian can only deal with their own sin and their own response. You cannot point at the unsaved and declare that YOUR attitude is THEIR fault.
Actually, once you take that to heart, life gets a whole lot easier. You may very well also do a better job at loving the unsaved rather than criticizing them.
Hello? They are NOT saved. That, is what their problem is. If a woman is dressing inappropriately in the congregation, then a couple of women WHO ARE NOT JUDGING, ONLY CORRECTING, should speak with her and explain what scripture states. If it continues anyway, then she should be handed a blouse or sweater or something to cover up the offending body parts.
IMO, women accusing other women may actually be a bigger problem then a man looking at what is natural for him to look at.
Oh...don't get me wrong...I really do understand what is being said in this thread and why it just keeps on going and seems to have a life of its own..
The thing is, each and every person has to make an effort to apply the word of God FIRST to them self and if a person has a problem with wanting to manage everyone else's business, or if they are insecure, understand that YOU have something to work on...not the good looking woman that other men stare at...in my experience, you don't need to have a low cut anything to have unwelcome attention...I have known women who were just plain beautiful and other women hate them for it.
I hope no one takes this at being addressed to them personally. I think it is good advice for anyone who just cannot get over how OTHER people dress. We don't care about that, OK? We care about how to apply the word in a practical manner and not have just a bunch of head knowledge that we think we can sling at others.
Sorry if I offend someone. That is not my intention. I am kind of ...well, not quite incredulous...but taken aback...by how this thread is being brought around again and again in a manner that seems to suggest women have nothing in mind but to snare the attention of a man. Do you really believe that? I don't...and I'm a woman. Insecurity reveals itself in many ways and interestingly, sometimes, even revealing clothing is saying "Please notice me" It is not saying Please hate me.
When did we decide that the outside is more important than the inside?
Edited by GoldenEagle, 19 August 2013 - 04:11 PM.
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