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WIP--I think the young people already learned it from Klinton; ok, u can keep on being president. Most of our young people dont even know who swaggart is......but they all knew who klinton was. He took us down the slippery slope even moreso, and kinky sex is more prevalent now, as a result.
Good post wip.
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He is still preaching. We watched him a time or two recently. I think his website is something like www.jsm.org but not sure. :)

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Hi jesusson,

according to Google.com his website is:

http://www.jsm.org/exploreJSM.cfm

It appears to be up and running...

Thank you for the site, that is the  site that I went to in the morning and just now but it doesn't let me in. Thank you though.   :)

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Hi Shalom,

You said:

---the most disheartning about thw whole thing --for me any-how is-- from just a little boy jimmy swaggart had so many experiencies with GOD & had so much knowledge of GOD & GOD'S ANOINTING to preach & influence over so many people & won so many lost sinners to THE LORD & then throw it ALL away BY refusing to get any help & HE NEEDED DELIVERANCE from this ADDICTION---

Very disheartening indeed!
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IMO when you've abused the "glory position" there is forgiveness upon true repentence, but the glory position will not be given by God again. †It is back to the grindstone and a "grunt position".
BTW, Jimmy Swaggart did not commit actual adultery; wanna clear that up. I dont know what JS is doing now. Anybody know?
Jim Bakkar did and now he has a much smaller ministry. He's doing fine I understand, and is happily remarried.
I agree with WIP, to discuss this in detail would not be edifying and serves no purpose other than gossip. †Both men have repented, and thats whats important.
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May I ask what adultery in your eyes is? Please define your view on adultery. If he sinned he sinned, it is that simple. We can not compromise; we have to pray for him so that God will give him repentance if he hasnít already and restore him to the body of Christ but not to the pulpit.

Jesusson, actually this is very old news from back 15 yrs ago.
He repented and is still very much in the pulpit. He did not commit actual adultery.
As a woman, there is a big difference to me if my husband merely "looked" or if he committed actual adultery.
And yes, i know what the bible says.......but to a wife, there IS a difference.
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:) Gossiping would not be edifying... But, truth for the sake of "example" is why we are to follow Church examples left for us...

There seems to be confusion on specifics that 1 Corinthians 5:11-13, explains

† 1 Cr 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: †
† †
† †1Cr 5:10 † Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. †
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† †1Cr 5:11 † But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. †
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† †1Cr 5:12 † For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? †
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† †1Cr 5:13 † But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Vs 12 specifically deals with JUDGING SIN within the Church.. THE SIN...not the person. For it is by correct punishment that they will be brought to repentance.

Example of not correcting the sin, is the sons of ELI. Therefore ALL were dealt with by the Lord.

There is a way that the Church is to cast out those who WILL not accept their rehabilitation (other position). For them to continue in pride is between them and the Lord. But there is examples of this also in King Saul.

Casting them out positions them for the Lord to send adversity that will open their eyes to their condition. If the Church continues to harbor them when they are under the frown of the Lord, the Church will begin to suffer also for the failure to follow the Word of the Lord.

I'm glad to see that Swaggart is doing well. To the best of my knowledge is that he did confess ADULTRY, that was him and Jim Bakker both w/Prostitutes! (Bakker confessed Mar 19, 1987) Not gossip.... Not girl watching either...

My Mother used to watch these TV evagelists and was hooked up back in the day. She was praying for a miracle healing and deliverance. (I lived away from the area). When she found out about all their corruption, she turned completly away from God. Yes, I have a hard time understanding how they could continue and not realize how many have been injured by their "merchandising" people. I fogive them because I know the Lord works through our forgiveness, but also I would like to see them accountable to scripture for this breach.
While my Mother was in the nursing home, I would try to get her calm by turning on the TV evangelist (TBN). She would literally throw things at the TV. I found out later from my Dad about her adversion to TV evagelists and the reason behind it.
The Lord made a way for my Mother's salvation (even though she died with dementia) But what about all the others that turned away from God through this showcase?

We are supposed to learn from the mistakes, not sweep them under the rug.

In Christ, Karen

BTW~I am a member with the AG who was affiliated w/them.:inlove:

Karen--As I read verse 12, it does not say "judge the sin and not the sinner".  The verse says "judge THEM".
I think we need to quit trying to separate that which cannot be separated--the sin from the sinner.  They in fact are one and the same.
Even Jessuson here is saying "if THEY have sinned, THEY should not preach again".
In the End, God is going to judge THEM, the Sinners.  That means THEY who have sinned.  He doesnt say he is going to judge the SIN, but the SINNER.  Sinners are the people themselves.  Yeah, actual People.
There is no way to only judge "sins"--without also judging the SinnER.

Jesusson--I thought I made my point quite clear.  Swaggard "looked".  Do you know the difference between "looking" and "doing"?  
And I said, to a wife, there is a big difference.  And I said, yes I know the bible says they are both the same--To ME it is NOT.
I could easily forgive a husband who only looked......all you guys look and u know it!  Naked or clothed, u all still look; whats the difference?
But a husband who actually "did" would be a lot more difficult for me to "forgive".  
Any other women here who have a personal comment on that?

I think whether they preach again, is up to God. He's the only one who calls them in the first place.
If God wants them to preach again, then thats all that matters.

Lets remember Paul was a murderer of christians, and preached plenty.  If a  man has truly repented, and turned from his ways, then to God it is the same as if it never happened.  Are you gonna hold it against them forever?
Is it up to us to "punish" one in the first place?
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jesusson:

I am not sure if this thread will go in an appropriate direction. †Yes, Swaggart DID commit adultery in 1987 and publicly admitted to it from his pulpit in 1988. †The reason for the delay is sketchy but, according to the "exposers", they were caught in a confusing web of several ministers including Swaggart's entire association trying to "hush" the exposure even with some physical threats (Real Christ-like eh?) and, some from another side of the camp who just wanted to take him down and gain from the fallout (again; Real Christ-like, eh?).

It is reported that he was caught yet again but, I have no sources or even care to have. †The real question is not in a man's past but, what and where is that man today in Jesus Christ. †Many want to "make rules" about when a man can preach and, when he is no longer able to. †They place themselves in the place of God justifying by some extracated reasoning from the Word. †But, in all Truth, God choses whom He will regardless of their past. †And, Christ said that a man can be forgiven "...Until seventy times seven.". †And, we know that when God forgives our sins, He no longer remembers them, they are not held against us nor, held to our "account". †And, many forget that the "Gifts and Callings of God are without repentence." †In other Words, regardless whether a man remains in Righteousness, or backsides and returns, or even goes into apostacy, God does not remove His calling and Gifts from that man.

I pray that JS has Truely repented. †The following (I am only quoting page 1 of 8) is the most fairly written article from a Christ-centered approach that I have found:

from: Prime Time: The fall of Jimmy Swaggart - by Randall Balmer

he Family Life Center lies on the edge of Baton Rouge just down the road from the newly opened Mall of Louisiana. The parking lot for the shopping mall is burgeoning on a Sunday, while the acres of parking for the Family Life Center are nearly empty. Such a juxtaposition might occasion yet another commentary on spiritual apathy, misplaced priorities, and the false gods of consumerism, until one remembers that the preacher behind the pulpit at the Family Life Center on this Sunday--as well as most Sundays--is a man named Jimmy Swaggart.

To suggest that Swaggart is behind the pulpit, however, is somewhat misleading; he has never submitted easily to the constraints of pulpits--or, for that matter, to any other conventional boundaries. Instead, he bobs and weaves and shouts and cries and spins his own magic. "Preaching is like an orchestra," Swaggart told me. "You have to be loud one moment and quiet the next. You've got to keep the people's attention. You've got to keep the people's attention." Throughout a raucous and controversial career now in its fourth decade, Jimmy Swaggart has rarely had trouble keeping people's attention.

Despite the dearth of congregants, my presence at Family Life Center was not entirely welcome. I had made the mistake of chatting with the women at the welcome booth and, in the process, disclosed naively that I was in town to write about Jimmy Swaggart Ministries ten years after his celebrated--and very public--downfall. I had just settled into my seat in the sanctuary, already awash in klieg lights, when one of the ushers, dressed in a burgundy sport coat, sat down beside me. "I understand you're a reporter," he said. I allowed that that was close enough. "First of all," he barked, "no pictures in here." As I looked around, I understood why.

The last time I had seen Swaggart on television, which was several years ago, it had occurred to me that all the camera angles had been rather narrow, suggesting that they were trying to cover up for the fact that the congregation was small. Indeed, the entire wraparound balcony of the octagonal building was closed, shrouded in darkness, and huge sections of the main floor had been cordoned off by dark, burgundy curtains, which matched the carpeting and the blazers worn by the ushers. "And the other thing," the usher announced brusquely, "I'm pretty sure Don and Jimmy don't want you here. In fact, I'll check with Donnie right now."

Within minutes Donnie Swaggart, Jimmy's son, a stocky man with an athletic build, dressed nattily in a dark, double-breasted suit, came bounding from the backstage area, almost running toward me. "What are you doing here?" he demanded. When I explained that I was writing an article for Christianity Today, Donnie Swaggart's eyes flashed. "I don't like the press," he bellowed. "How come you didn't tell us you were coming?" I explained that I had called the office several times over the preceding weeks to inquire about dates and that I had made no attempt to hide my purpose for visiting. "Well you didn't talk to me," he said, his tone softening slightly.

"Listen, I've seen characters like you before," he continued, resuming the bluster and wagging his finger in my direction, "and you know what? It's the so-called Christians who are the worst." Ten o'clock was fast approaching, and Donnie had to assume his place on the stage. "Just remember," he continued, "blood is thicker than water. Do whatever you want to me, just don't touch my parents or my kids. If you do, I'm coming after you, you understand?"


There is eight pages to that article so, I suggest reading with "discernment" and compassionate leading of the Holy Spirit. †Of all the articles I have read (which are few on JS), I really feel Randall Balmer gave the most Christian credible approach.

God Bless.

sorry i got in on this subject a little late but i just found the topic soooooooo, i'll try to put my $0.02cents in try NOT to OFFEND anyone [I HOPE]--- according to all the info i have found jimmy was aADDICTED to pornography fo MANY YEARS
& that was what was going on in the motel with the HOOKER,
supposedly-- she POSED????? FOR js--i SAW THE PUBLIC repentence ,it NEARLY BROKE MY HEART& HERE IS WHY--
jimmy swaggart was taught from a very little boy by his grand-mother a SPIRIT-FILLED,TONGUE SPEAKING PRAYING WOMAN OF GOD--HE would sit for hours AS she PRAYED & the GLORY OF GOD would fall on BOTH of them --HE was PROPHECIED OVER by SPIRIT FILLED PREACHERS & HIS grandmother &
other GODLY women that he [JIMMY S.] that he would have a world-wide ministry---his cousins--jerry lee lewis & mickey gilley all lived close together & played together most of their lives untill mickey & jerry lee  went into playing  the piano in bars & clubs-- jimmy started preaching as a teen-ager & would often use  his hell-RAISING cousins as EXAMPLES in his sermons--[on what -NOT to be like]which got back to both
and caused a slight PARTING of the ways--so--to--speak--
Both jerry lee & mickey would call jimmy to come & get them
out of the clubs[SLIGHTLY DRUNK] And crying-- this kind of stuff went on for YEARS-- UNTILL jimmy was caught with the hooker-- OOOOPPPSSSS--- JIMMY CAUGHT IN ACTUAL--SIN--
jimmy's sIN was --PREACHING against HIS cousins SINFUL--WAYS & preaching VEHEMENTLY AGAINST PORNOGRAPHERS
WHILE INDULGING IN THIS VERY SIN--LOOKING AT PORNO-BOOKS & MOVIES --[I THINK] tHE BOOKS i KNOW FOR SURE-- THE MOVIES?? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THO--i saw the interview by the media on tv with the hooker-- here's the BIG problem with swaggert[with me anyway] we [my wife & I ]
supported his ministry with regular monthly gifts--$$$$$--for several years & even after his public confession--untill HIS SECOND EPISODE  WITH A HOOKER IN LOS-ANGELES WHILE HE WAS CONDUCTING A CRUSADE----OOOOOPPPPSSSSS--
A SECOND TIME --HIS problem was he REFUSED to STEP DOWN FROM THE MINISTRY AND GET HELP FOR HIS ADDICTION-- AT FIRST he was going to turn the ministry over to his son donnie untill he had received counseling--- OOOPPPSSS --again--- i think he was afraid he would wind up like jim bakker--- no ministry to go back to-- soooo he just stayed in the ministry & got caught the second time --- that was the end of his world--wide ministry-- i saw the interview on TBN by paul & jan CROUCH after the first fall & it was a DISASTER -- with my OWN LITTLE EARS --i heard JIMMY SWAGGERT STATE --[I  BUILT THE ASSEMBLIES OF GOD]
WITH HIS TEN PERCENT OF ALL HIS DONATIONS TO THE AG GENERAL ASSEMBLIES] i turned the TBN off as well as jimmy swaggart not for his two falls but because of ALL the PROSPERITY GOSPEL--WORD--OF-- FAITH --NAME--IT --& CLAIM IT --GARBAGE EVERY SINGLE MEMBER ON TBN--PROMOTE--DIDN'T KNOW DONNIE COULD BE SO VINDICTIVE THO-- THANKS--    :) ---the most disheartning about thw whole thing --for me any-how is-- from just a little boy jimmy swaggart had so many experiencies with GOD & had so much knowledge of GOD & GOD'S ANOINTING to preach & influence over so many people & won so many lost sinners to THE LORD & then throw it ALL away BY refusing to get any help & HE NEEDED DELIVERANCE from this ADDICTION---
AHHHHHHH WELL that's my $0.02cents worth anyhow
                                        SHALOM
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Shadow--Thanks for the posting. It seems you are the only other one who gleened the same thing from his first "sinning episode" as I did, correct? That there was only looking and not doing?
I have never seen anything about the second episode in LA. When did that happen and why did the media not make a big whooptedo about that one too?

BTW, I almost have to laught at the 8 page article written by a heathen; he criticizes Donnie saying he was "nattily" dressed--they criticize every little thing they can stretch for--they are usually criticized for wearing "$1000 suits" --now its "cheap suits".  
LOL, ya just cant please those folks, huh.  :)

I know where Donnie is coming from; these heathen reporters just cant help themselves; they just have to twist a word here, exagerate a word there, to put a negative slant on any preacher they write about. Remember Falwell, Robertson, Tammy and her makeup and hair, and on and on.
The Media made more out of JS's one motel episode, but narry a negative word about the pope who had done zilch about these priests he has known about since he sat in the hot seat.  They just merely "report" without negative personal comment--oh my, we wouldnt DARE talk against the pope,  :)
In the end, they are full of double standard, and not an appropriate source of the whole truth.
(Beware of them the world speaks well of --cause they are of no effect)
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Went to the swaggart website.  I see he's doing just fine; so is his son. Im happy for them.
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:) Gossiping would not be edifying... But, truth for the sake of "example" is why we are to follow Church examples left for us...

There seems to be confusion on specifics that 1 Corinthians 5:11-13, explains

† 1 Cr 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: †
† †
† †1Cr 5:10 † Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. †
† †
† †1Cr 5:11 † But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. †
† †
† †1Cr 5:12 † For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? †
† †
† †1Cr 5:13 † But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Vs 12 specifically deals with JUDGING SIN within the Church.. THE SIN...not the person. For it is by correct punishment that they will be brought to repentance.

Example of not correcting the sin, is the sons of ELI. Therefore ALL were dealt with by the Lord.

There is a way that the Church is to cast out those who WILL not accept their rehabilitation (other position). For them to continue in pride is between them and the Lord. But there is examples of this also in King Saul.

Casting them out positions them for the Lord to send adversity that will open their eyes to their condition. If the Church continues to harbor them when they are under the frown of the Lord, the Church will begin to suffer also for the failure to follow the Word of the Lord.

I'm glad to see that Swaggart is doing well. To the best of my knowledge is that he did confess ADULTRY, that was him and Jim Bakker both w/Prostitutes! (Bakker confessed Mar 19, 1987) Not gossip.... Not girl watching either...

My Mother used to watch these TV evagelists and was hooked up back in the day. She was praying for a miracle healing and deliverance. (I lived away from the area). When she found out about all their corruption, she turned completly away from God. Yes, I have a hard time understanding how they could continue and not realize how many have been injured by their "merchandising" people. I fogive them because I know the Lord works through our forgiveness, but also I would like to see them accountable to scripture for this breach.
While my Mother was in the nursing home, I would try to get her calm by turning on the TV evangelist (TBN). She would literally throw things at the TV. I found out later from my Dad about her adversion to TV evagelists and the reason behind it.
The Lord made a way for my Mother's salvation (even though she died with dementia) But what about all the others that turned away from God through this showcase?

We are supposed to learn from the mistakes, not sweep them under the rug.

In Christ, Karen

BTW~I am a member with the AG who was affiliated w/them.:inlove:

Karen--As I read verse 12, it does not say "judge the sin and not the sinner". †The verse says "judge THEM".
I think we need to quit trying to separate that which cannot be separated--the sin from the sinner. †They in fact are one and the same.
Even Jessuson here is saying "if THEY have sinned, THEY should not preach again".
In the End, God is going to judge THEM, the Sinners. †That means THEY who have sinned. †He doesnt say he is going to judge the SIN, but the SINNER. †Sinners are the people themselves. †Yeah, actual People.
There is no way to only judge "sins"--without also judging the SinnER.

Jesusson--I thought I made my point quite clear. †Swaggard "looked". †Do you know the difference between "looking" and "doing"? †
And I said, to a wife, there is a big difference. †And I said, yes I know the bible says they are both the same--To ME it is NOT.
I could easily forgive a husband who only looked......all you guys look and u know it! †Naked or clothed, u all still look; whats the difference?
But a husband who actually "did" would be a lot more difficult for me to "forgive". †
Any other women here who have a personal comment on that?

I think whether they preach again, is up to God. He's the only one who calls them in the first place.
If God wants them to preach again, then thats all that matters.

Lets remember Paul was a murderer of christians, and preached plenty. †If a †man has truly repented, and turned from his ways, then to God it is the same as if it never happened. †Are you gonna hold it against them forever?
Is it up to us to "punish" one in the first place?
cd

What do you mean he didn't do it??? he was cayght in a room with that girl,you mean he was in a room just looking??? that is very sad, the fact is he was involved and that is final. but what he is doing now thats what it matters, I think we have to realize that Jimmy did sin and, I am sure God is dealing with him till this day. We have to pray for him and for other preachers so that they wont be the victim of their preaching. well if I typed anything wrong forgive me, something is wrong with my computer screen so I can not see what I am writing. God bless. And C.D looking and actualy commiting a sin are different but remember what Jesus said. I am a man and my wife will not like it if I looked at woman but, the main thing here is not looking but, that Jimmy did actually have sexual experiance and I have even heard that for years he was in that sin. He was preaching and living the odd of  what he was preaching. I am sorry that I I brogt this convirsation up, I know it is a very old story and also a fact but, I just wanted to learn more and see some views on this issue. God bless




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