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A growing number of websites are trying everything from deploying moderators to forcing people to use their real names in order to shut down internet trolls.

NEW YORK — Mix blatant bigotry with poor spelling. Add a dash of ALL CAPS. Top it off with a violent threat. And there you have it: A recipe for the worst of online comments, scourge of the Internet.

Blame anonymity, blame politicians, blame human nature. But a growing number of websites are reining in the Wild West of online commentary. Companies including Google and the Huffington Post are trying everything from deploying moderators to forcing people to use their real names in order to restore civil discourse. Some sites, such as Popular Science, are banning comments altogether.

 

The efforts put sites in a delicate position. User comments add a lively, fresh feel to videos, stories and music. And, of course, the longer visitors stay to read the posts, and the more they come back, the more a site can charge for advertising.

What websites don't want is the kind of off-putting nastiness that spewed forth under a recent CNN.com article about the Affordable Care Act.

"If it were up to me, you progressive libs destroying this country would be hanging from the gallows for treason. People are awakening though. If I were you, I'd be very afraid," wrote someone using the name "JBlaze."

YouTube, which is owned by Google, has long been home to some of the Internet's most juvenile and grammatically incorrect comments. The site caused a stir last month when it began requiring people to log into Google Plus to write a comment. Besides herding users to Google's unified network, the company says the move is designed to raise the level of discourse in the conversations that play out under YouTube videos.

One such video, a Cheerios commercial featuring an interracial family, met with such a barrage of racist responses on YouTube in May that General Mills shut down comments on it altogether.

"Starting this week, when you're watching a video on YouTube, you'll see comments sorted by people you care about first," wrote YouTube product manager Nundu Janakiram and principal engineer Yonatan Zunger in a blog post announcing the changes. "If you post videos on your channel, you also have more tools to moderate welcome and unwelcome conversations. This way, YouTube comments will become conversations that matter to you."

 

for more of the article...

http://news.msn.com/...-nasty-comments

Should people be required to use their real names to post online?

 



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It's really not that difficult to find out who a 'real' person is as everyone has an identifying internet address.

 

I run a WP blog and and any comments are moderated automatically through WP (I'm the mod though)...I also use a well known auto responder for those who sign up 

for the blog or follow....all the info is right there...of course I'm not doing anything with it other than than a newsletter once in a while or specials on my work

 

Spamming and cyber attacks are on the increase more and more.  I'm not surprised that measures are being taken to make sure that real people are answering...further,

IMO, if you would not say something using your real name, then why hide your rudeness behind a supposed fake ID?

 

I guess my opinion might not be popular with everyone, but that's how I see it

 

I'm not sure a person's real name should be required, but some kind of sifting of comments as per a mod might be in order...there are some crazy people out there who

spend their time trying to hurt others or get a kick out of saying in public what they would not want to be caught saying in public

 

I guess if people were not so busy being bullies, rude, ugly sarcastic and nasty, there would be no need for some kind of 'policing'

 

I'm sure we are far from seeing how far this will go



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I can't imagine being a mod on YouTube simply because of the sheer volume of comments out there among the thousands and thousands of videos.  The moderating team would need to be immense.   Frankly, I think they should just disable the comments altogether and just let people hit the thumbs up or thumbs down icons.  Most of the comments are so inane and meaningless, that the comment feature is a waste of bandwidth.  I would say the same for news sites as well.  Just post the article and no comments. 



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I don't say anything here that I wouldn't say to your face.....      it is easier to say things face to face in a loving way though.....  

My facebook account is my name....   makes it easier to keep up with people.   I don't have friends who don't use thier names, and I have defrended several people this year over profanity......   and one for porn.   and some lady in the Philippines looking for a husband  LoL



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It's really not that difficult to find out who a 'real' person is as everyone has an identifying internet address.

 

I run a WP blog and and any comments are moderated automatically through WP (I'm the mod though)...I also use a well known auto responder for those who sign up 

for the blog or follow....all the info is right there...of course I'm not doing anything with it other than than a newsletter once in a while or specials on my work

 

Spamming and cyber attacks are on the increase more and more.  I'm not surprised that measures are being taken to make sure that real people are answering...further,

IMO, if you would not say something using your real name, then why hide your rudeness behind a supposed fake ID?

 

I guess my opinion might not be popular with everyone, but that's how I see it

 

I'm not sure a person's real name should be required, but some kind of sifting of comments as per a mod might be in order...there are some crazy people out there who

spend their time trying to hurt others or get a kick out of saying in public what they would not want to be caught saying in public

 

I guess if people were not so busy being bullies, rude, ugly sarcastic and nasty, there would be no need for some kind of 'policing'

 

I'm sure we are far from seeing how far this will go

 

Hiding your IP address is pretty easy and completely untraceable...  Somebody planning to do a serious attack would most likely be spoofing their IP.

 

The problem with real names are the damage that can be done to an individual.  With a name and very little information it's possible to find your home address, families addresses, etc...  Not to mention identity theft.

 

There's several stories I can recount that didn't end well...  One in particular is about a World of Warcraft moderator named Bashiok.  When WOW started a RealID thing giving out people's full names he was like 'Look guys it's just your name and it's in the phonebook- my name is blah blah...  Not a few minutes later they had his homephone, address, and all kinds of stuff you don't want public.  He had to have his number changed and WOW right away changed their real ID.

 

As for forcing people to use their real names- well that's a disaster waiting to happen.  You don't have to be outlandish or controversial to gain unwarranted attention.  Just saying I'm a Christian on Youtube will bring in a hate squad to my video.  As a long time Youtuber I've had my share of run ins and threats.  One guy said he was going to sign me up for every porn magazine pretending he had my name...  Luckily I knew he didn't because I never give it out!



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I can't imagine being a mod on YouTube simply because of the sheer volume of comments out there among the thousands and thousands of videos.  The moderating team would need to be immense.   Frankly, I think they should just disable the comments altogether and just let people hit the thumbs up or thumbs down icons.  Most of the comments are so inane and meaningless, that the comment feature is a waste of bandwidth.  I would say the same for news sites as well.  Just post the article and no comments. 

 

I agree. Sometimes though I think there's a large number of people who like to read inane, profane, etc comments and that's why they're there. Like rubber neckers at a traffic accident.



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Youtube is the worst in comments.

This is why I choose to not be a part of any social networking sites.

People are animalistic, lol.

Too much random nonsense in the world.

And the atheism on cnn article comments is hilarious..

it just reveals that we are getting closer to the end.

 

Daniel 12:4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”



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It's really not that difficult to find out who a 'real' person is as everyone has an identifying internet address.

 

I run a WP blog and and any comments are moderated automatically through WP (I'm the mod though)...I also use a well known auto responder for those who sign up 

for the blog or follow....all the info is right there...of course I'm not doing anything with it other than than a newsletter once in a while or specials on my work

 

Spamming and cyber attacks are on the increase more and more.  I'm not surprised that measures are being taken to make sure that real people are answering...further,

IMO, if you would not say something using your real name, then why hide your rudeness behind a supposed fake ID?

 

I guess my opinion might not be popular with everyone, but that's how I see it

 

I'm not sure a person's real name should be required, but some kind of sifting of comments as per a mod might be in order...there are some crazy people out there who

spend their time trying to hurt others or get a kick out of saying in public what they would not want to be caught saying in public

 

I guess if people were not so busy being bullies, rude, ugly sarcastic and nasty, there would be no need for some kind of 'policing'

 

I'm sure we are far from seeing how far this will go

 

Hiding your IP address is pretty easy and completely untraceable...  Somebody planning to do a serious attack would most likely be spoofing their IP.

 

The problem with real names are the damage that can be done to an individual.  With a name and very little information it's possible to find your home address, families addresses, etc...  Not to mention identity theft.

 

There's several stories I can recount that didn't end well...  One in particular is about a World of Warcraft moderator named Bashiok.  When WOW started a RealID thing giving out people's full names he was like 'Look guys it's just your name and it's in the phonebook- my name is blah blah...  Not a few minutes later they had his homephone, address, and all kinds of stuff you don't want public.  He had to have his number changed and WOW right away changed their real ID.

 

As for forcing people to use their real names- well that's a disaster waiting to happen.  You don't have to be outlandish or controversial to gain unwarranted attention.  Just saying I'm a Christian on Youtube will bring in a hate squad to my video.  As a long time Youtuber I've had my share of run ins and threats.  One guy said he was going to sign me up for every porn magazine pretending he had my name...  Luckily I knew he didn't because I never give it out!

 

 

 

Well, I'm pretty sure most people would not know how to do that.  So, my real name is not something I hide because I want people to find me online...because of my business.  I also don't say things

I would not say here...my point is, if you wouldn't say it and you would not want people who 'know' you to know you said it, then who exactly are you really?

 

World of Warcraft....sorry, but what do you expect?  World of Warcraft?  In that case, a real name IS the only real thing anyway LOL!  Yes, Bashiok or not, he was real...I'm pinching myself because

the objections you present do not sound real.  

 

I don't circulate anywhere I need to protect my identity when it comes to comments....

 

There are probably quite a few people who live on youtube...it's a warehouse for things no one should even look at...with good stuff in between...the good, the bad and the ugly...with lots of ugly

 

If someone posts things on youtube or anywhere else that are controversial, then why be surprised when controversy arrives?

 

Your objections may be a tad due to your own online experience...mine is very different from what you wrote....it just really depends on what a person's online 'reality' is, eh?



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Since 1997 I often think a lot about “Futurism” Bible prophecy End times. How is the Future going to take shape to bring in the coming Antichrist? People did not realize God spoke of a generation who would have great technology. For example when Jesus told His disciples about wars, famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places to a simple living class of people still often reading from scrolls. I mean how would they be able to chart all this information of wars, pestilences, famines, quakes and so on in various places? Jesus was asking them to watch what most people were not able to do back then. Besides even the shape of the Earth was even into question.

 

But now in the 21st century all these scriptures make perfect sense how we in this generation are to keep watch. There is also a Bible verse saying their chariots will be as lightning.

Nahum 2:4

New Century Version (NCV)

4 The chariots race through the streets
and rush back and forth through the city squares.
They look like torches;
they run like lightning.

I believe the Bible was telling us about about Modern Day Automobiles. Chariots of lightning is a car with today’s horse power of which resembles a modern day chariot. The rider being taken by force at a fast rate which a car would be lightning speed compared to a standard chariot.

We're also told in Daniel 12:4 for they will be increased in knowledge going to and fro.

Daniel 12:4

New King James Version (NKJV)

4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

 

Why are we increased in knowledge? Because of today's computers instant access of knowledge. Why increased? We have this info now at our finger tips. Why to and fro? Because the devil has no home of rest. In Job chapter 1:7 God asked the Devil where he's from. Satan answered I go to and fro on the Earth. The Devil has no safety in God which has no foundation. Thus Daniel 12:4 the knowledge of today's technology is far and wide in information is like several thousands teachings and point of views. Who is their to believe? But this generation by majority would not seek to know the truth but rather as the Devil going to and fro resisting the truth of God.

 

Where does this leave technology as in the antichrist? in the Future. ‘Your Identity’? The antichrist will be empowered partly by world watch technologies implementations. The mark may just be a small chip with information on it such as name, age, Hospital, location transfer of money etc. which equals ‘your true identity.

 

Currently schools in America are increasing in numbers to use RFID cards. This card has a chip which can locate your exact location within the radars frequency to detect you whereabouts. In this case on the school campus.

 

Imagine a mark of the beast that also uses RFID where you are at every moment Big Brother GPS. Where a person is located on the map. Simply what I am saying is the mandate to want to know your true identity will push us closer to a future antichrist world rule to be over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

 

A system where computer, TV sets, and phones will all be as one unitary with real user identification identifying yourself. So while it may seem dangerous for the Government or some hacker to get your name there is greater fear of the coming future of personal identities and the mark of the beast. The Devil not only wants to own people but even not to let these people have an excuse to run and hide. That chip will say it all.

 

It's possible Face book will also help the Antichrist authorities to zoom in Face book user names. Real identity read off your page and your current where about living location because Satan wants us all to be as prisoners of his Babylon take you over approach. To sum it up the antichrist won't want anyone to have a place to run or hide with true identity technology. It will be more possible to to capture those seen by security cameras wanting to make life impossible especially to those who will reject the mark. All phones, computers, and TV sets all taken away. Because only with real identity technologies you will be allowed to us these sources and without your identity we won't be able to use these things in Satan’s end time rule on Earth. This is called Futurism cause all the fulfillment have not all happened.



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It's really not that difficult to find out who a 'real' person is as everyone has an identifying internet address.

 

I run a WP blog and and any comments are moderated automatically through WP (I'm the mod though)...I also use a well known auto responder for those who sign up 

for the blog or follow....all the info is right there...of course I'm not doing anything with it other than than a newsletter once in a while or specials on my work

 

Spamming and cyber attacks are on the increase more and more.  I'm not surprised that measures are being taken to make sure that real people are answering...further,

IMO, if you would not say something using your real name, then why hide your rudeness behind a supposed fake ID?

 

I guess my opinion might not be popular with everyone, but that's how I see it

 

I'm not sure a person's real name should be required, but some kind of sifting of comments as per a mod might be in order...there are some crazy people out there who

spend their time trying to hurt others or get a kick out of saying in public what they would not want to be caught saying in public

 

I guess if people were not so busy being bullies, rude, ugly sarcastic and nasty, there would be no need for some kind of 'policing'

 

I'm sure we are far from seeing how far this will go

 

Hiding your IP address is pretty easy and completely untraceable...  Somebody planning to do a serious attack would most likely be spoofing their IP.

 

The problem with real names are the damage that can be done to an individual.  With a name and very little information it's possible to find your home address, families addresses, etc...  Not to mention identity theft.

 

There's several stories I can recount that didn't end well...  One in particular is about a World of Warcraft moderator named Bashiok.  When WOW started a RealID thing giving out people's full names he was like 'Look guys it's just your name and it's in the phonebook- my name is blah blah...  Not a few minutes later they had his homephone, address, and all kinds of stuff you don't want public.  He had to have his number changed and WOW right away changed their real ID.

 

As for forcing people to use their real names- well that's a disaster waiting to happen.  You don't have to be outlandish or controversial to gain unwarranted attention.  Just saying I'm a Christian on Youtube will bring in a hate squad to my video.  As a long time Youtuber I've had my share of run ins and threats.  One guy said he was going to sign me up for every porn magazine pretending he had my name...  Luckily I knew he didn't because I never give it out!

 

 

 

Well, I'm pretty sure most people would not know how to do that.  So, my real name is not something I hide because I want people to find me online...because of my business.  I also don't say things

I would not say here...my point is, if you wouldn't say it and you would not want people who 'know' you to know you said it, then who exactly are you really?

 

World of Warcraft....sorry, but what do you expect?  World of Warcraft?  In that case, a real name IS the only real thing anyway LOL!  Yes, Bashiok or not, he was real...I'm pinching myself because

the objections you present do not sound real.  

 

I don't circulate anywhere I need to protect my identity when it comes to comments....

 

There are probably quite a few people who live on youtube...it's a warehouse for things no one should even look at...with good stuff in between...the good, the bad and the ugly...with lots of ugly

 

If someone posts things on youtube or anywhere else that are controversial, then why be surprised when controversy arrives?

 

Your objections may be a tad due to your own online experience...mine is very different from what you wrote....it just really depends on what a person's online 'reality' is, eh?

 

 

Well we can't all insulate ourselves from all of the dangers and hide our heads in the sand.  My point is you don't have to do anything to become the victim of identity theft or other malicious things.  My other point was with just a name a lot more information can be obtained.  Better safe than sorry.  If you're out there in the public anyway with a business that's a bit different.

 

I used Warcraft as an example because they tried it already and it blew up in their face.  It isn't just that news item but the many things I've seen happen since first getting the internet back in 1994.  There could be an atheist group that targets Christian websites that might decide to pick on you.  All they need is to link the daisy chain you've created.

 

Your perogative and more power to you I guess.  Don't act like you know me either because your judging tone is unwarranted.



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Blessings to Everyone!

     Wow...I do not even know what to make of all this,I am so "green" on the internet & so leery of the whole thing that I would not want to give my name,I try my best to give as little personal information as possible and I don't even know if it makes a difference if some hacker really wants to find out...I do not even give my last name or phone number on my email accounts

     I see on my new phone if I want to download any kind of app,even a dumb game,it requires an email account....my old phone(not a "smart" phone) all I had to do was click on "games" or "maps" or whatever...............no matter what I want to do it asks me for a google or email account which has nothing to do with wanting to play a free game,it seems everyone wants your info....................well,I am not giving it!

                                                                                                                                With love,in Christ-Kwik



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It's really not that difficult to find out who a 'real' person is as everyone has an identifying internet address.

 

I run a WP blog and and any comments are moderated automatically through WP (I'm the mod though)...I also use a well known auto responder for those who sign up 

for the blog or follow....all the info is right there...of course I'm not doing anything with it other than than a newsletter once in a while or specials on my work

 

Spamming and cyber attacks are on the increase more and more.  I'm not surprised that measures are being taken to make sure that real people are answering...further,

IMO, if you would not say something using your real name, then why hide your rudeness behind a supposed fake ID?

 

I guess my opinion might not be popular with everyone, but that's how I see it

 

I'm not sure a person's real name should be required, but some kind of sifting of comments as per a mod might be in order...there are some crazy people out there who

spend their time trying to hurt others or get a kick out of saying in public what they would not want to be caught saying in public

 

I guess if people were not so busy being bullies, rude, ugly sarcastic and nasty, there would be no need for some kind of 'policing'

 

I'm sure we are far from seeing how far this will go

 

Hiding your IP address is pretty easy and completely untraceable...  Somebody planning to do a serious attack would most likely be spoofing their IP.

 

The problem with real names are the damage that can be done to an individual.  With a name and very little information it's possible to find your home address, families addresses, etc...  Not to mention identity theft.

 

There's several stories I can recount that didn't end well...  One in particular is about a World of Warcraft moderator named Bashiok.  When WOW started a RealID thing giving out people's full names he was like 'Look guys it's just your name and it's in the phonebook- my name is blah blah...  Not a few minutes later they had his homephone, address, and all kinds of stuff you don't want public.  He had to have his number changed and WOW right away changed their real ID.

 

As for forcing people to use their real names- well that's a disaster waiting to happen.  You don't have to be outlandish or controversial to gain unwarranted attention.  Just saying I'm a Christian on Youtube will bring in a hate squad to my video.  As a long time Youtuber I've had my share of run ins and threats.  One guy said he was going to sign me up for every porn magazine pretending he had my name...  Luckily I knew he didn't because I never give it out!

 

 

 

Well, I'm pretty sure most people would not know how to do that.  So, my real name is not something I hide because I want people to find me online...because of my business.  I also don't say things

I would not say here...my point is, if you wouldn't say it and you would not want people who 'know' you to know you said it, then who exactly are you really?

 

World of Warcraft....sorry, but what do you expect?  World of Warcraft?  In that case, a real name IS the only real thing anyway LOL!  Yes, Bashiok or not, he was real...I'm pinching myself because

the objections you present do not sound real.  

 

I don't circulate anywhere I need to protect my identity when it comes to comments....

 

There are probably quite a few people who live on youtube...it's a warehouse for things no one should even look at...with good stuff in between...the good, the bad and the ugly...with lots of ugly

 

If someone posts things on youtube or anywhere else that are controversial, then why be surprised when controversy arrives?

 

Your objections may be a tad due to your own online experience...mine is very different from what you wrote....it just really depends on what a person's online 'reality' is, eh?

 

 

Well we can't all insulate ourselves from all of the dangers and hide our heads in the sand.  My point is you don't have to do anything to become the victim of identity theft or other malicious things.  My other point was with just a name a lot more information can be obtained.  Better safe than sorry.  If you're out there in the public anyway with a business that's a bit different.

 

I used Warcraft as an example because they tried it already and it blew up in their face.  It isn't just that news item but the many things I've seen happen since first getting the internet back in 1994.  There could be an atheist group that targets Christian websites that might decide to pick on you.  All they need is to link the daisy chain you've created.

 

Your perogative and more power to you I guess.  Don't act like you know me either because your judging tone is unwarranted.

 

 

 

 

 Don't act like you know me either because your judging tone is unwarranted.

 

I responded to what you wrote...if that was not you, then who was it?   :noidea:

 

 

None of it matters, because, very simply, the experience a person has on the internet is pretty much of their own making.

 

Let me repeat myself at the risk of being boring.  The experience a person has online is their own creation.



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Lets keep it civil people. As we have already discussed here, this is not YouTube, it is a Ministry site.

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there are companies that watch and protect identies that art not that expensive

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there are companies that watch and protect identies that art not that expensive

Hey oo how is your trip???



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there are companies that watch and protect identies that art not that expensive

Hey oo how is your trip???

 

so far really well.  We're in Peoria,   northern sub of Phoenix.   It's really nice here.  The desert plants are different from what we've experienced in Nevada.  there is a big old cactus just across the road that must be 20 feet tall....  It's as big around as my wife.    Weather is pleasant and I may go swimming this afternoon.  Should get up into the 70's this afternoon.



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I do use my last name, and just about everyone knows my first name.  If they don't, it is no secret.  I don't say anything here I haven't said to people face to face, regardless of how controversial it may be. 

 

There are always ways around IP addresses.  There are free places to use the internet all over the country.  There are ways around identifying a computer.  Buy another one at a pawn shop or somewhere else where they are very cheap.  If you are dealing with someone who is really intent on avoiding identification, they will find a way.  There is no method you can use to stop everyone from posting objectionable material, and going around bans.  As people get smarter in combating things, those determined find ways around them.  If you are going to hang out on the internet, you just have to accept the fact there will be people that will post hateful comments.  You should see the things people post at facebook.  The language is vulgar, and the comments are hate filled.  They make the worst people that post here look like saints by comparison.  (Obviously, I mean people that always act like saints.  I realize the body of Christ are known as saints.)






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