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just simply via google type in [Flawed dating methods] and click and take your pick - wincam



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Is there a purpose for these very short (and seemingly random) posts?  I'm not getting what you're trying to say.



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Maybe he's doing subcontract work for Google and getting paid by the click.  :whistling:



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just simply via google type in [Flawed dating methods] and click and take your pick - wincam

 

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Amen~!

 

Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. John 17:17

 

Scientists use observational science to measure the amount of a daughter element within a rock sample and to determine the present observable decay rate of the parent element. Dating methods must also rely on another kind of science called historical science. Historical science cannot be observed. Determining the conditions present when a rock first formed can only be studied through historical science. Determining how the environment might have affected a rock also falls under historical science. Neither condition is directly observable. Since radioisotope dating uses both types of science, we can’t directly measure the age of something. We can use scientific techniques in the present, combined with assumptions about historical events, to estimate the age. Therefore, there are several assumptions that must be made in radioisotope dating. Three critical assumptions can affect the results during radioisotope dating:

  1. The initial conditions of the rock sample are accurately known.
  2. The amount of parent or daughter elements in a sample has not been altered by processes other than radioactive decay.
  3. The decay rate (or half-life) of the parent isotope has remained constant since the rock was formed. http://www.answersin...ic-dating-prove


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Can't say. I would recommend you search "are dating methods accurate" for both sides of the story.

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just simply via google type in [Flawed dating methods] and click and take your pick - wincam


To be fair, there are two sides to this coin. If you do google "young earth" you will get articles and websites from both camps refuting the other sides theories.

Your experts vs my experts

For every article you find in answersingenesis in favor of a young earth, you will find one opposed and contrary to the Genesis article. You could pull the hair out of your head if you were hoping to find something definitive without blemish.

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just simply via google type in [Flawed dating methods] and click and take your pick - wincam


To be fair, there are two sides to this coin. If you do google "young earth" you will get articles and websites from both camps refuting the other sides theories.

Your experts vs my experts

For every article you find in answersingenesis in favor of a young earth, you will find one opposed and contrary to the Genesis article. You could pull the hair out of your head if you were hoping to find something definitive without blemish.

 

I have found something definitive, there is a relationship between solar wind penetration and radioactive decay that has been proven by Purdue University and The Geological Survey of Israel:

 

Unfortunately they have not made the link that its solar penetration that is the consistent factor in each case:

When there is a solar flare decay slows down

In summer decay slows down

At midnight decay slow down

During the 11 year solar cycle, decay shows an eleven year decay cycle

 

Particles like Muons show the exact same solar relationship, and so it appears the stronger the ionizing radiation (radioactive background) the slower the radioactive decay. Slight changes to this background are caused by slight changes in the solar wind reaching earth. Due to the constancy of cosmic rays, any changes to ionizing radiation are caused by changes to the solar wind penetration of the earth's magnetic field.  

 

Now if slight increases in only solar penetration cause slight slowdown in decay, what would a complete blockout of solar AND cosmic penetration do? Obviously it would cause a major increase in decay rates. Scientists at the moment are discounting the effect as negligible, which makes no common sense. A 50% increase in the magnetic field strength as occurred before 200AD would cause a virtual elimination of the muon/neutron background and other ionizing radiation. Elements/isotopes would then be free to undergo rapid decay without the slowing effect of the ionizing background.



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just simply via google type in [Flawed dating methods] and click and take your pick - wincam


To be fair, there are two sides to this coin. If you do google "young earth" you will get articles and websites from both camps refuting the other sides theories.
Your experts vs my experts
For every article you find in answersingenesis in favor of a young earth, you will find one opposed and contrary to the Genesis article. You could pull the hair out of your head if you were hoping to find something definitive without blemish.
I have found something definitive, there is a relationship between solar wind penetration and radioactive decay that has been proven by Purdue University and The Geological Survey of Israel:
 
Unfortunately they have not made the link that its solar penetration that is the consistent factor in each case:
When there is a solar flare decay slows down
In summer decay slows down
At midnight decay slow down
During the 11 year solar cycle, decay shows an eleven year decay cycle
 
Particles like Muons show the exact same solar relationship, and so it appears the stronger the ionizing radiation (radioactive background) the slower the radioactive decay. Slight changes to this background are caused by slight changes in the solar wind reaching earth. Due to the constancy of cosmic rays, any changes to ionizing radiation are caused by changes to the solar wind penetration of the earth's magnetic field.  
 
Now if slight increases in only solar penetration cause slight slowdown in decay, what would a complete blockout of solar AND cosmic penetration do? Obviously it would cause a major increase in decay rates. Scientists at the moment are discounting the effect as negligible, which makes no common sense. A 50% increase in the magnetic field strength as occurred before 200AD would cause a virtual elimination of the muon/neutron background and other ionizing radiation. Elements/isotopes would then be free to undergo rapid decay without the slowing effect of the ionizing background.

Maybe tomorrow I will understand this post. Maybe......

Or maybe I should ask Shiloh to explain it to me. Maybe....

I think the former suggestion is safer. Lol

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Why is it sooooo important that the earth either be young or old???  Both sides defend the Bible as inspired!!!  As God's Word!! 

 

At first I thought it was because an old earth view flattered science too much and gave it such a prodigious advantage, which meant that Scripture had to yield to scientific discoveries....anyone who responded (like myself above) with explanations of Genesis that conceded to scientific discoveries was suspected of apostasy. And I admit, it was scientific discoveries which led me to reexamine Genesis and see whether a 6 day chronological scheme was its intent at all.  Just as knowledge of a spherical earth led someone like Augustine to reexamine passages where the canonical authors describe it as flat and square.  What I found was, right or wrong, very fascinating and even spiritually edifying.

 

But the more I read these posts it seems that people are really passionate about Genesis being young, or old, regardless of the tension between science and Scripture.  Why does it matter???



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Why is it sooooo important that the earth either be young or old???  Both sides defend the Bible as inspired!!!  As God's Word!! 
 
At first I thought it was because an old earth view flattered science too much and gave it such a prodigious advantage, which meant that Scripture had to yield to scientific discoveries....anyone who responded (like myself above) with explanations of Genesis that conceded to scientific discoveries was suspected of apostasy. And I admit, it was scientific discoveries which led me to reexamine Genesis and see whether a 6 day chronological scheme was its intent at all.  Just as knowledge of a spherical earth led someone like Augustine to reexamine passages where the canonical authors describe it as flat and square.  What I found was, right or wrong, very fascinating and even spiritually edifying.
 
But the more I read these posts it seems that people are really passionate about Genesis being young, or old, regardless of the tension between science and Scripture.  Why does it matter???


I couldn't care less how old our earth is, but i do care about being on top of things because I want to be a useful and effective witness to the LOST/SEEKER.

THUS, It matters to me because when in the market place while hob nobbing with highly educated people, I do not want to come across as not knowing what science methods are used and the latest science results. I would come across like an idiot if all I said was, "god said......." And was unable to talk some science to them.

Many nonbelievers and seekers need more.

So this is my main reason for why this issue is important to me. If I didn't care about lost souls and didn't care about Jesus' admonition to go into the world and make disciples, then maybe I wouldn't care.

Now hear me out - I do not let science rule my theology (did you get that Shiloh?), rather I use science to sharpen it (my theology).

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Why is it sooooo important that the earth either be young or old???  Both sides defend the Bible as inspired!!!  As God's Word!! 
 
At first I thought it was because an old earth view flattered science too much and gave it such a prodigious advantage, which meant that Scripture had to yield to scientific discoveries....anyone who responded (like myself above) with explanations of Genesis that conceded to scientific discoveries was suspected of apostasy. And I admit, it was scientific discoveries which led me to reexamine Genesis and see whether a 6 day chronological scheme was its intent at all.  Just as knowledge of a spherical earth led someone like Augustine to reexamine passages where the canonical authors describe it as flat and square.  What I found was, right or wrong, very fascinating and even spiritually edifying.
 
But the more I read these posts it seems that people are really passionate about Genesis being young, or old, regardless of the tension between science and Scripture.  Why does it matter???


I couldn't care less how old our earth is, but i do care about being on top of things because I want to be a useful and effective witness to the LOST/SEEKER.

THUS, It matters to me because when in the market place while hob nobbing with highly educated people, I do not want to come across as not knowing what science methods are used and the latest science results. I would come across like an idiot if all I said was, "god said......." And was unable to talk some science to them.

Many nonbelievers and seekers need more.

So this is my main reason for why this issue is important to me. If I didn't care about lost souls and didn't care about Jesus' admonition to go into the world and make disciples, then maybe I wouldn't care.

Now hear me out - I do not let science rule my theology (did you get that Shiloh?), rather I use science to sharpen it (my theology).

 

Oh spock...

 

Take this as a compliment.  OF all the people I needed to respond to my question, I needed you the least: for it is like hearing my own thoughts said aloud.

 

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just simply via google type in [Flawed dating methods] and click and take your pick - wincam


To be fair, there are two sides to this coin. If you do google "young earth" you will get articles and websites from both camps refuting the other sides theories.
Your experts vs my experts
For every article you find in answersingenesis in favor of a young earth, you will find one opposed and contrary to the Genesis article. You could pull the hair out of your head if you were hoping to find something definitive without blemish.
I have found something definitive, there is a relationship between solar wind penetration and radioactive decay that has been proven by Purdue University and The Geological Survey of Israel:
 
Unfortunately they have not made the link that its solar penetration that is the consistent factor in each case:
When there is a solar flare decay slows down
In summer decay slows down
At midnight decay slow down
During the 11 year solar cycle, decay shows an eleven year decay cycle
 
Particles like Muons show the exact same solar relationship, and so it appears the stronger the ionizing radiation (radioactive background) the slower the radioactive decay. Slight changes to this background are caused by slight changes in the solar wind reaching earth. Due to the constancy of cosmic rays, any changes to ionizing radiation are caused by changes to the solar wind penetration of the earth's magnetic field.  
 
Now if slight increases in only solar penetration cause slight slowdown in decay, what would a complete blockout of solar AND cosmic penetration do? Obviously it would cause a major increase in decay rates. Scientists at the moment are discounting the effect as negligible, which makes no common sense. A 50% increase in the magnetic field strength as occurred before 200AD would cause a virtual elimination of the muon/neutron background and other ionizing radiation. Elements/isotopes would then be free to undergo rapid decay without the slowing effect of the ionizing background.

Maybe tomorrow I will understand this post. Maybe......

Or maybe I should ask Shiloh to explain it to me. Maybe....

I think the former suggestion is safer. Lol

 

Haha, sorry.  I will try again, there's an art to being succint that I haven't developed yet.

 

There is background radiation everywhere at the moment. This background radiation is making rocks decay very slowly because it keeps agitating them and keeping them unstable so they cannot decay fast. Scientists measure these current decay rates and assume rocks decay very slowly (over millions of years).

 

But it has been proven the earth had a stronger magnetic in the past, and a strong magnetic field would virtually eliminate the background radiation. Therefore rocks decayed a lot faster in the past when the magnetic field was strong.  The age of fossil layers are therefore vastly overestimated by scientists because they are still measuring these rocks assuming current decay rates apply to history, but in fact current decay rates are far slower than the past.



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Blessings Spock,

      My brother I am a little surprised by your response,that does not mean of course that I am not understanding what you are saying -just surprised.You could never in a million years come across as an idiot with or without any knowledge of the most recent breakthroughs or methods of science.......it is not our knowledge that is ever needed to bring a seeker or non-believer to the foot of the cross but the Wisdom & Power of the Holy Spirit,and this I do believe you know....................so I am surprised that you would(or sound like)you seek the approval of any man as we have been entrusted by God with the Gospel(Gal 1:10,1 Thess2:4)So if anyone has ears to hear,let them hear(Mark 4:23)

       As we have had many conversations including my confession that,"I used to be smart but my knowledge kept getting in the way of Gods Wisdom"...LOL     I rarely get into discussions about the sciences although it was my major & my passion years ago,all those years of study & research never once lead a soul to Christ.

        Just my little 2 cents...May God bless you bountifully & I am sure your passion for Christ puts a smile on His Face...Praise & Glory to God in the Highest

                                                                                                                                   With love,in Christ-Kwik



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Blessings Spock,
      My brother I am a little surprised by your response,that does not mean of course that I am not understanding what you are saying -just surprised.You could never in a million years come across as an idiot with or without any knowledge of the most recent breakthroughs or methods of science.......it is not our knowledge that is ever needed to bring a seeker or non-believer to the foot of the cross but the Wisdom & Power of the Holy Spirit,and this I do believe you know....................so I am surprised that you would(or sound like)you seek the approval of any man as we have been entrusted by God with the Gospel(Gal 1:10,1 Thess2:4)So if anyone has ears to hear,let them hear(Mark 4:23)
       As we have had many conversations including my confession that,"I used to be smart but my knowledge kept getting in the way of Gods Wisdom"...LOL     I rarely get into discussions about the sciences although it was my major & my passion years ago,all those years of study & research never once lead a soul to Christ.
        Just my little 2 cents...May God bless you bountifully & I am sure your passion for Christ puts a smile on His Face...Praise & Glory to God in the Highest
                                                                                                                                   With love,in Christ-Kwik


Great words of admonition my sister. I will ponder them, especially because they came from your lips. Errrrr, or from your fingertips.




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