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A common argument that disputes the rapture is

" How many times is Christ coming back? It is his SECOND COMING, not his THIRD. There is no rapture because this will make it his THIRD coming"

or something around those lines. Where in the bible does it state how many times he is to come back? Give me a number.. With in the four gospel accounts we already see how Jesus Christ ascended up to heaven and came back...

John 20:17 - Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So here we have Jesus telling Mary not to touch Jesus Christ because he has not ascended yet. Why can she not touch him? I don't know. Maybe because He is about to perform the duty of they High Priest in the Heavenly Temple that is made with out hands and it will defile it(Hebrews 9). But, She cannot touch Jesus.

Mark 16:12 - After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

So Jesus Christ is either a shape shifter, or He ascended to the Father and came back and now he can be touched.

Luke 24:39 - Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Jesus Christ is telling them to touch him or handle him when Mary could not because he has not yet ascended. Him having not yet ascended apparently is what was keeping him from being touched.

John 20:27 - Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Again, Jesus is telling Thomas to touch him, when Mary could not earlier.

Matthew 28:9 - And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by his feet, and worshipped him.

Here they are actually touching him. They are holding his feet.

So here we have Jesus ascending to the Father which is in Heaven(secretly), and then coming back to the disciples.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

And of course, he is taken up. again...

I believe that Jesus Christ's coming at the end of Jacobs Trouble has no restraints on Jesus Christ rapturing his Church. The rapture is a mystery, His coming at the end is not a mystery.


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First Christ came to earth as a baby.The second coming of Christ will be the return of Christ to fullfill remaining prophecies.In His first coming,Jesus was the suffering servant.In His second coming,Jesus will be the conquering King.

His second coming is spoken of in Revelation 19:11-16.


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A common argument that disputes the rapture is

" How many times is Christ coming back? It is his SECOND COMING, not his THIRD. There is no rapture because this will make it his THIRD coming"

or something around those lines. Where in the bible does it state how many times he is to come back? Give me a number.. With in the four gospel accounts we already see how Jesus Christ ascended up to heaven and came back...

John 20:17 - Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So here we have Jesus telling Mary not to touch Jesus Christ because he has not ascended yet. Why can she not touch him? I don't know. Maybe because He is about to perform the duty of they High Priest in the Heavenly Temple that is made with out hands and it will defile it(Hebrews 9). But, She cannot touch Jesus.

Mark 16:12 - After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

So Jesus Christ is either a shape shifter, or He ascended to the Father and came back and now he can be touched.

Luke 24:39 - Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Jesus Christ is telling them to touch him or handle him when Mary could not because he has not yet ascended. Him having not yet ascended apparently is what was keeping him from being touched.

John 20:27 - Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Again, Jesus is telling Thomas to touch him, when Mary could not earlier.

Matthew 28:9 - And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by his feet, and worshipped him.

Here they are actually touching him. They are holding his feet.

So here we have Jesus ascending to the Father which is in Heaven(secretly), and then coming back to the disciples.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

And of course, he is taken up. again...

I believe that Jesus Christ's coming at the end of Jacobs Trouble has no restraints on Jesus Christ rapturing his Church. The rapture is a mystery, His coming at the end is not a mystery.

    My friend There is no third and fourth coming  

 

  Hebrews 9:28

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28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.


Edited by Izzel, 05 January 2014 - 08:13 PM.

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A common argument that disputes the rapture is

" How many times is Christ coming back? It is his SECOND COMING, not his THIRD. There is no rapture because this will make it his THIRD coming"

or something around those lines. Where in the bible does it state how many times he is to come back? Give me a number.. With in the four gospel accounts we already see how Jesus Christ ascended up to heaven and came back...

John 20:17 - Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So here we have Jesus telling Mary not to touch Jesus Christ because he has not ascended yet. Why can she not touch him? I don't know. Maybe because He is about to perform the duty of they High Priest in the Heavenly Temple that is made with out hands and it will defile it(Hebrews 9). But, She cannot touch Jesus.

Mark 16:12 - After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

So Jesus Christ is either a shape shifter, or He ascended to the Father and came back and now he can be touched.

Luke 24:39 - Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Jesus Christ is telling them to touch him or handle him when Mary could not because he has not yet ascended. Him having not yet ascended apparently is what was keeping him from being touched.

John 20:27 - Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Again, Jesus is telling Thomas to touch him, when Mary could not earlier.

Matthew 28:9 - And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by his feet, and worshipped him.

Here they are actually touching him. They are holding his feet.

So here we have Jesus ascending to the Father which is in Heaven(secretly), and then coming back to the disciples.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

And of course, he is taken up. again...

I believe that Jesus Christ's coming at the end of Jacobs Trouble has no restraints on Jesus Christ rapturing his Church. The rapture is a mystery, His coming at the end is not a mystery.

 

The scripture says that the rapture happens at Jesus second coming and only coming 


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A common argument that disputes the rapture is

" How many times is Christ coming back? It is his SECOND COMING, not his THIRD. There is no rapture because this will make it his THIRD coming"

or something around those lines. Where in the bible does it state how many times he is to come back? Give me a number.. With in the four gospel accounts we already see how Jesus Christ ascended up to heaven and came back...

John 20:17 - Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So here we have Jesus telling Mary not to touch Jesus Christ because he has not ascended yet. Why can she not touch him? I don't know. Maybe because He is about to perform the duty of they High Priest in the Heavenly Temple that is made with out hands and it will defile it(Hebrews 9). But, She cannot touch Jesus.

Mark 16:12 - After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

So Jesus Christ is either a shape shifter, or He ascended to the Father and came back and now he can be touched.

Luke 24:39 - Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Jesus Christ is telling them to touch him or handle him when Mary could not because he has not yet ascended. Him having not yet ascended apparently is what was keeping him from being touched.

John 20:27 - Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Again, Jesus is telling Thomas to touch him, when Mary could not earlier.

Matthew 28:9 - And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by his feet, and worshipped him.

Here they are actually touching him. They are holding his feet.

So here we have Jesus ascending to the Father which is in Heaven(secretly), and then coming back to the disciples.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

And of course, he is taken up. again...

I believe that Jesus Christ's coming at the end of Jacobs Trouble has no restraints on Jesus Christ rapturing his Church. The rapture is a mystery, His coming at the end is not a mystery.

Jesus second coming deals with judgement and reward so your point are pointless and you are writing into the scripyure to support a theory 

 

Take care 


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A common argument that disputes the rapture is

" How many times is Christ coming back? It is his SECOND COMING, not his THIRD. There is no rapture because this will make it his THIRD coming"

or something around those lines. Where in the bible does it state how many times he is to come back? Give me a number.. With in the four gospel accounts we already see how Jesus Christ ascended up to heaven and came back...

John 20:17 - Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So here we have Jesus telling Mary not to touch Jesus Christ because he has not ascended yet. Why can she not touch him? I don't know. Maybe because He is about to perform the duty of they High Priest in the Heavenly Temple that is made with out hands and it will defile it(Hebrews 9). But, She cannot touch Jesus.

Mark 16:12 - After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

So Jesus Christ is either a shape shifter, or He ascended to the Father and came back and now he can be touched.

Luke 24:39 - Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Jesus Christ is telling them to touch him or handle him when Mary could not because he has not yet ascended. Him having not yet ascended apparently is what was keeping him from being touched.

John 20:27 - Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Again, Jesus is telling Thomas to touch him, when Mary could not earlier.

Matthew 28:9 - And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by his feet, and worshipped him.

Here they are actually touching him. They are holding his feet.

So here we have Jesus ascending to the Father which is in Heaven(secretly), and then coming back to the disciples.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

And of course, he is taken up. again...

I believe that Jesus Christ's coming at the end of Jacobs Trouble has no restraints on Jesus Christ rapturing his Church. The rapture is a mystery, His coming at the end is not a mystery.

Jesus second coming deals with judgement and reward so your point are pointless and you are writing into the scripyure to support a theory 

 

Take care 

 

So did he or did he not go to the Father before he appeared to the disciples?


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Sounds like semantics.


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A common argument that disputes the rapture is

" How many times is Christ coming back? It is his SECOND COMING, not his THIRD. There is no rapture because this will make it his THIRD coming"

or something around those lines. Where in the bible does it state how many times he is to come back? Give me a number.. With in the four gospel accounts we already see how Jesus Christ ascended up to heaven and came back...

John 20:17 - Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So here we have Jesus telling Mary not to touch Jesus Christ because he has not ascended yet. Why can she not touch him? I don't know. Maybe because He is about to perform the duty of they High Priest in the Heavenly Temple that is made with out hands and it will defile it(Hebrews 9). But, She cannot touch Jesus.

Mark 16:12 - After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

So Jesus Christ is either a shape shifter, or He ascended to the Father and came back and now he can be touched.

Luke 24:39 - Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Jesus Christ is telling them to touch him or handle him when Mary could not because he has not yet ascended. Him having not yet ascended apparently is what was keeping him from being touched.

John 20:27 - Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Again, Jesus is telling Thomas to touch him, when Mary could not earlier.

Matthew 28:9 - And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by his feet, and worshipped him.

Here they are actually touching him. They are holding his feet.

So here we have Jesus ascending to the Father which is in Heaven(secretly), and then coming back to the disciples.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

And of course, he is taken up. again...

I believe that Jesus Christ's coming at the end of Jacobs Trouble has no restraints on Jesus Christ rapturing his Church. The rapture is a mystery, His coming at the end is not a mystery.

Jesus second coming deals with judgement and reward so your point are pointless and you are writing into the scripyure to support a theory 

 

Take care 

 

So did he or did he not go to the Father before he appeared to the disciples?

 

 

Does the scripture call that the second coming ?


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No.

 

The point I am trying to make is, that the rapture is not associated with the second coming, just like Jesus ascending to the Father and coming back is not associated with the second coming.


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A common argument that disputes the rapture is

" How many times is Christ coming back? It is his SECOND COMING, not his THIRD. There is no rapture because this will make it his THIRD coming"

or something around those lines. Where in the bible does it state how many times he is to come back? Give me a number.. With in the four gospel accounts we already see how Jesus Christ ascended up to heaven and came back...

John 20:17 - Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So here we have Jesus telling Mary not to touch Jesus Christ because he has not ascended yet. Why can she not touch him? I don't know. Maybe because He is about to perform the duty of they High Priest in the Heavenly Temple that is made with out hands and it will defile it(Hebrews 9). But, She cannot touch Jesus.

Mark 16:12 - After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

So Jesus Christ is either a shape shifter, or He ascended to the Father and came back and now he can be touched.

Luke 24:39 - Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Jesus Christ is telling them to touch him or handle him when Mary could not because he has not yet ascended. Him having not yet ascended apparently is what was keeping him from being touched.

John 20:27 - Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Again, Jesus is telling Thomas to touch him, when Mary could not earlier.

Matthew 28:9 - And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by his feet, and worshipped him.

Here they are actually touching him. They are holding his feet.

So here we have Jesus ascending to the Father which is in Heaven(secretly), and then coming back to the disciples.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

And of course, he is taken up. again...

I believe that Jesus Christ's coming at the end of Jacobs Trouble has no restraints on Jesus Christ rapturing his Church. The rapture is a mystery, His coming at the end is not a mystery.

 

The scripture says that the rapture happens at Jesus second coming and only coming 

 

The rapture is not the second coming.Christ does not set foot on Earth at the rapture but meets the Church in the air.On the second coming Christ will set foot on Earth.


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No.

 

The point I am trying to make is, that the rapture is not associated with the second coming, just like Jesus ascending to the Father and coming back is not associated with the second coming.

The rapture occurs at Jesus second coming 

 

There is no third and fourth coming 


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A common argument that disputes the rapture is

" How many times is Christ coming back? It is his SECOND COMING, not his THIRD. There is no rapture because this will make it his THIRD coming"

or something around those lines. Where in the bible does it state how many times he is to come back? Give me a number.. With in the four gospel accounts we already see how Jesus Christ ascended up to heaven and came back...

John 20:17 - Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So here we have Jesus telling Mary not to touch Jesus Christ because he has not ascended yet. Why can she not touch him? I don't know. Maybe because He is about to perform the duty of they High Priest in the Heavenly Temple that is made with out hands and it will defile it(Hebrews 9). But, She cannot touch Jesus.

Mark 16:12 - After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

So Jesus Christ is either a shape shifter, or He ascended to the Father and came back and now he can be touched.

Luke 24:39 - Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Jesus Christ is telling them to touch him or handle him when Mary could not because he has not yet ascended. Him having not yet ascended apparently is what was keeping him from being touched.

John 20:27 - Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Again, Jesus is telling Thomas to touch him, when Mary could not earlier.

Matthew 28:9 - And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by his feet, and worshipped him.

Here they are actually touching him. They are holding his feet.

So here we have Jesus ascending to the Father which is in Heaven(secretly), and then coming back to the disciples.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

And of course, he is taken up. again...

I believe that Jesus Christ's coming at the end of Jacobs Trouble has no restraints on Jesus Christ rapturing his Church. The rapture is a mystery, His coming at the end is not a mystery.

 

The scripture says that the rapture happens at Jesus second coming and only coming 

 

The rapture is not the second coming.Christ does not set foot on Earth at the rapture but meets the Church in the air.On the second coming Christ will set foot on Earth.

 

As Jesus descends the saints ascendes then both will meet at Jerusalem where Jesus fights in the battle of Armageddon 


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No.

 

The point I am trying to make is, that the rapture is not associated with the second coming, just like Jesus ascending to the Father and coming back is not associated with the second coming.

The rapture occurs at Jesus second coming 

 

There is no third and fourth coming 

 

That is your belief not mine.I believe that the rapture and the second coming are two different events.


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A common argument that disputes the rapture is

" How many times is Christ coming back? It is his SECOND COMING, not his THIRD. There is no rapture because this will make it his THIRD coming"

or something around those lines. Where in the bible does it state how many times he is to come back? Give me a number.. With in the four gospel accounts we already see how Jesus Christ ascended up to heaven and came back...

John 20:17 - Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So here we have Jesus telling Mary not to touch Jesus Christ because he has not ascended yet. Why can she not touch him? I don't know. Maybe because He is about to perform the duty of they High Priest in the Heavenly Temple that is made with out hands and it will defile it(Hebrews 9). But, She cannot touch Jesus.

Mark 16:12 - After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

So Jesus Christ is either a shape shifter, or He ascended to the Father and came back and now he can be touched.

Luke 24:39 - Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Jesus Christ is telling them to touch him or handle him when Mary could not because he has not yet ascended. Him having not yet ascended apparently is what was keeping him from being touched.

John 20:27 - Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Again, Jesus is telling Thomas to touch him, when Mary could not earlier.

Matthew 28:9 - And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by his feet, and worshipped him.

Here they are actually touching him. They are holding his feet.

So here we have Jesus ascending to the Father which is in Heaven(secretly), and then coming back to the disciples.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

And of course, he is taken up. again...

I believe that Jesus Christ's coming at the end of Jacobs Trouble has no restraints on Jesus Christ rapturing his Church. The rapture is a mystery, His coming at the end is not a mystery.

 

The scripture says that the rapture happens at Jesus second coming and only coming 

 

The rapture is not the second coming.Christ does not set foot on Earth at the rapture but meets the Church in the air.On the second coming Christ will set foot on Earth.

 

As Jesus descends the saints ascendes then both will meet at Jerusalem where Jesus fights in the battle of Armageddon 

 

That is the second coming.Different than the rapture.


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It's true. The rapture and the 2nd coming are 2 separate events, but...........they happen so closely to one another that it appears to be one event. 


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It's true. The rapture and the 2nd coming are 2 separate events, but...........they happen so closely to one another that it appears to be one event. 

That could be man.I do not know about the timing.Although after the rapture their will be 7 years of tribulation.


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It's true. The rapture and the 2nd coming are 2 separate events, but...........they happen so closely to one another that it appears to be one event. 

That could be man.I do not know about the timing.Although after the rapture their will be 7 years of tribulation.

 

 

 

The rapture takes place at the end of the tribulation. If it happened before, there would be nothing but nonbelievers left. What would be the point of God letting the nonbelievers slug it out for 7 years?


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It's true. The rapture and the 2nd coming are 2 separate events, but...........they happen so closely to one another that it appears to be one event. 

That could be man.I do not know about the timing.Although after the rapture their will be 7 years of tribulation.

 

 

 

The rapture takes place at the end of the tribulation. If it happened before, there would be nothing but nonbelievers left. What would be the point of God letting the nonbelievers slug it out for 7 years?

 

My friend we have a  different opinion on the  interpretation.I believe that the rapture happens before the tribulation.


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It's true. The rapture and the 2nd coming are 2 separate events, but...........they happen so closely to one another that it appears to be one event. 

That could be man.I do not know about the timing.Although after the rapture their will be 7 years of tribulation.

 

 

 

The rapture takes place at the end of the tribulation. If it happened before, there would be nothing but nonbelievers left. What would be the point of God letting the nonbelievers slug it out for 7 years?

 

My friend we have a  different opinion on the  interpretation.I believe that the rapture happens before the tribulation.

 

 

 

That's fine.  :)

 

Just ponder my words.


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1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 states that all living believers,along with all believers who have died will meet the Lord Jesus in the air and will be with Him forever 1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

It seems inconsistent for God to promise believers that they will not suffer wrath and then leave them on earth to suffer through the wrath of the tribulation.Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

It is not just the trial,but the "hour" of trial.Christ is promising to keep believers from the very time period that contains the trials,the tribulation.


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