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John 4:12 Woman at the Well

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I read a devotional this a.m. and had a question, although I've read this story many times, this is the first time the question came to mind.

 

The woman asked Jesus if He was greater then their father Jacob.  I know Jacob met Rachel near the well, if I remember right.  Was Rachel a Samaritan, or did the people of that area just come to be Samaritans over the years?  If so, then why does the Samaritan woman call Jacob father?  Because it was his land before? 

 

Any input welcome:)  Thanks all, and God bless your day:)

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Jacob was Israel.  That is why she asked the question, not because of Rachel.  The Samaritans were outcasts because they were a group that didn't have a pure blood line.  They had intermarried with gentiles.  The Jews wouldn't have any dealings with the Samaritans.  If you go back to Genesis, you can see what I am talking about.  Jacob's name was changed to Israel in Genesis 32:28.

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The term 'Samaritan' did not come to be used until after the kingdom of Israel was divided, long after Rachel and Jacob, so Rachel was not a Samaritan. As Butero mentioned, the Samaritans were children of Israel from the tribes of Ephraim and Manassas who had intermarried with some Gentiles, and had developed differences in the way they worshipped and particularly that they built a second Temple on Mt. Geziron, rather then the place of Gods choosing in Jerusalem.

 

In Jewish literature, the Samaritans are looked down on because of their use of sacrifices in mountains (Geziron), and there have been debates as to whether their intermarriage continues the ethnic line or are they now, no longer to be considered Jewish. Of course, they do claim Jacob as a fore-father.   

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Well I think she asked the question because they were literally at Jacob's well.  If you think about the situation, she had a landmark right there.  She could have easily said Moses, David, or another man of God. 

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the Samaritans once took over the Jewish temple, and they sacrificed pigs on the altar of the Jewish temple.

Ancestrally, Samaritans claim descent from the Israelite tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh (the two sons of Joseph (son of Jacob)) as well as from the priestly tribe of Levi,[4] who have links to ancient Samaria from the period of their entry into the land of Canaan, while some suggest that it was from the beginning of the Babylonian Exile up to the Samaritan polity of Baba Rabba. Samaritans used to include a line of Benjamin tribe, but it went extinct during the decline period of the Samaritan demographics. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Well I think she asked the question because they were literally at Jacob's well.  If you think about the situation, she had a landmark right there.  She could have easily said Moses, David, or another man of God. 

That is an interesting answer.

 

I always viewed her statement about father Jacob as being a claim to being 'Jewish' in a time when the 'Jewishness' of Samaritans was in question. Jesus being Jewish and from the tribe of Judah might have viewed a Samaritan as questionable, so she was fishing to find out how Jesus saw her since He was dressed like a Jew. She was surprised that He was talking to her.

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I read a devotional this a.m. and had a question, although I've read this story many times, this is the first time the question came to mind.

 

The woman asked Jesus if He was greater then their father Jacob.  I know Jacob met Rachel near the well, if I remember right.  Was Rachel a Samaritan, or did the people of that area just come to be Samaritans over the years?  If so, then why does the Samaritan woman call Jacob father?  Because it was his land before? 

 

Any input welcome:)  Thanks all, and God bless your day:)

 

I remember wondering this very same thing.  I came to the conclusion in my study that Jacob was indeed NOT her father (bloodline) but her father spiritually just as Abraham is the father of all who are saved through faith (Romans 4).

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I did hit the button to "follow" this but I have no alerts.  I am sorry I didn't know I had responses.  I will read each and get back to you all!! Thank you so much, and God bless your day!!

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Jacob was Israel.  That is why she asked the question, not because of Rachel.  The Samaritans were outcasts because they were a group that didn't have a pure blood line.  They had intermarried with gentiles.  The Jews wouldn't have any dealings with the Samaritans.  If you go back to Genesis, you can see what I am talking about.  Jacob's name was changed to Israel in Genesis 32:28.

Yes, I remember his name being changed, it was right after the wrestling all night with God right. I knew that they were on the outs, the Samaritan and the Jews.  Thank you much for your input Butero!! 

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The term 'Samaritan' did not come to be used until after the kingdom of Israel was divided, long after Rachel and Jacob, so Rachel was not a Samaritan. As Butero mentioned, the Samaritans were children of Israel from the tribes of Ephraim and Manassas who had intermarried with some Gentiles, and had developed differences in the way they worshipped and particularly that they built a second Temple on Mt. Geziron, rather then the place of Gods choosing in Jerusalem.

 

In Jewish literature, the Samaritans are looked down on because of their use of sacrifices in mountains (Geziron), and there have been debates as to whether their intermarriage continues the ethnic line or are they now, no longer to be considered Jewish. Of course, they do claim Jacob as a fore-father.   

Thanks so much, this was a good read as well.  The OT is full of answers, but I have to read it more then once, twice, well, I need to read it every day:)

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Well I think she asked the question because they were literally at Jacob's well.  If you think about the situation, she had a landmark right there.  She could have easily said Moses, David, or another man of God. 

That makes sense too, thank you for the reply:)

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the Samaritans once took over the Jewish temple, and they sacrificed pigs on the altar of the Jewish temple.

Ancestrally, Samaritans claim descent from the Israelite tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh (the two sons of Joseph (son of Jacob)) as well as from the priestly tribe of Levi,[4] who have links to ancient Samaria from the period of their entry into the land of Canaan, while some suggest that it was from the beginning of the Babylonian Exile up to the Samaritan polity of Baba Rabba. Samaritans used to include a line of Benjamin tribe, but it went extinct during the decline period of the Samaritan demographics. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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This was really interesting.  It's a good thing Jesus came, to give us the chance to all be one "tribe" under God:)

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Well I think she asked the question because they were literally at Jacob's well.  If you think about the situation, she had a landmark right there.  She could have easily said Moses, David, or another man of God. 

That is an interesting answer.

 

I always viewed her statement about father Jacob as being a claim to being 'Jewish' in a time when the 'Jewishness' of Samaritans was in question. Jesus being Jewish and from the tribe of Judah might have viewed a Samaritan as questionable, so she was fishing to find out how Jesus saw her since He was dressed like a Jew. She was surprised that He was talking to her.

 

This is a good thought, I think you have something here;) 

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I read a devotional this a.m. and had a question, although I've read this story many times, this is the first time the question came to mind.

 

The woman asked Jesus if He was greater then their father Jacob.  I know Jacob met Rachel near the well, if I remember right.  Was Rachel a Samaritan, or did the people of that area just come to be Samaritans over the years?  If so, then why does the Samaritan woman call Jacob father?  Because it was his land before? 

 

Any input welcome:)  Thanks all, and God bless your day:)

 

I remember wondering this very same thing.  I came to the conclusion in my study that Jacob was indeed NOT her father (bloodline) but her father spiritually just as Abraham is the father of all who are saved through faith (Romans 4).

 

Yes, I took it more like this as well, not like Jacob was her dad, but that he started the "family" so to speak?  Or their leader.  Hope that makes sense.  Like a "founding father" that's what I'm getting at:)

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Hi, celebratejesus -

 

This doesn't necessarily address your question, but you might find this link interesting:

 

http://www.edwardfudge.com/sychar.html

 

The writer shares his experience (with pictures) of visiting Jacob's Well.

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Thank Nebula, I get a little nervous following links, No viruses right?  My sister got one the other day called the snap-do, and it took about 4 hours to get it all cleaned off her puter;)

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This comment from David Guziks commentary is interesting as well:

 

c. Are you greater than our father Jacob: It is hard to tell if the woman asks a sincere question, or if she is a cynical critic. All depends on the tone of her voice; but she does come to belief at the end.

 

 

I think that is one of the hardest things for me to get is "in what tone of voice" is someone saying something.  I know God will reveal what He wants me to know, but I want to know EVERYTHING yesterday, LOL;)

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Thank Nebula, I get a little nervous following links, No viruses right?  My sister got one the other day called the snap-do, and it took about 4 hours to get it all cleaned off her puter;)

 

I had no problems.

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Can anyone tell my why I might not be getting my notifications?  I have worthy Christians in my contact list, and I believe my settings are correct here.  Thanks to anyone who might be able to help me?  God bless your day, headed for church soon so I might not get back to you right away if you answer;)

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I figured out the notification thing:)

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Concerning the question posed to Jesus, "are you greater than our father Jacob?", the woman is inviting Jesus to qualify his authority just as the Pharisees did in John 8 when they also asked him if he was greater than Abraham and the Prophets. 

 

Consider her question as it is probing to ask if Jesus was a greater authority than the man who was awarded the name Israel by God through the angel he wrestled with as it is written "Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.".

 

We ought to consider the scene.  A woman comes to a well to find some dude sitting on the mouth of it who tells her to fetch her a little water while provoking her next line of questions about just how he rates in authority by telling her that she doesn't know who she is dealing with.  She quickly notes the reality of the situation that if he were some great man with living water then why is he wearied and sitting on the mouth of a well without anything to draw himself something to drink out of it.  She is being perfectly logical in her approach.  She is a realist.  How could he be someone of great importance when he was not even a man of the simplest means?

 

Her comparison was that Jacob not only owned the well but that he had the means to draw out water to fill his whole household but this man had nothing but made great claims via his mouth.  To which Jesus downplayed by claiming that physical water was nothing compared to what he had in his possession.  He claimed that he could give water that provided life that lasted forever.

 

I personally use this style of witnessing with carnal people in my everyday life.  When we speak spiritual words to carnal people they cannot get with them.  They have no basis to understand things that are spiritual in nature.  Robert Plant once wrote a lyric "cuz you know sometimes words have two meanings.", and they do.  I work to train them by referring to reading as eating or consuming words as did David in the psalms.

 

I consider myself a child of many fathers, first and foremost being a child of God, but also of Abraham, Jacob, Jesus, Paul, Peter and the Prophets who have all had a part in raising me, especially Samuel.  Always remember that the bible has unimaginable depth that we will spend our whole life coming to know but have to be developed into a vessel that is able to receive the deep things of God.  Jesus is the foundation of all learning. So as they might say in modern venacular, whose your daddy?  But as I understand it that is closer to the Abba in Abba Father.

 

Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

 

The Spirit was sent after Jesus left for the purpose of continuing our education as the children of God to develop us further over the last 2000 years providing more and more advanced revelation as we have become ready to receive it.

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Concerning the question posed to Jesus, "are you greater than our father Jacob?", the woman is inviting Jesus to qualify his authority just as the Pharisees did in John 8 when they also asked him if he was greater than Abraham and the Prophets. 

 

Consider her question as it is probing to ask if Jesus was a greater authority than the man who was awarded the name Israel by God through the angel he wrestled with as it is written "Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.".

 

We ought to consider the scene.  A woman comes to a well to find some dude sitting on the mouth of it who tells her to fetch her a little water while provoking her next line of questions about just how he rates in authority by telling her that she doesn't know who she is dealing with.  She quickly notes the reality of the situation that if he were some great man with living water then why is he wearied and sitting on the mouth of a well without anything to draw himself something to drink out of it.  She is being perfectly logical in her approach.  She is a realist.  How could he be someone of great importance when he was not even a man of the simplest means?

 

Her comparison was that Jacob not only owned the well but that he had the means to draw out water to fill his whole household but this man had nothing but made great claims via his mouth.  To which Jesus downplayed by claiming that physical water was nothing compared to what he had in his possession.  He claimed that he could give water that provided life that lasted forever.

 

I personally use this style of witnessing with carnal people in my everyday life.  When we speak spiritual words to carnal people they cannot get with them.  They have no basis to understand things that are spiritual in nature.  Robert Plant once wrote a lyric "cuz you know sometimes words have two meanings.", and they do.  I work to train them by referring to reading as eating or consuming words as did David in the psalms.

 

I consider myself a child of many fathers, first and foremost being a child of God, but also of Abraham, Jacob, Jesus, Paul, Peter and the Prophets who have all had a part in raising me, especially Samuel.  Always remember that the bible has unimaginable depth that we will spend our whole life coming to know but have to be developed into a vessel that is able to receive the deep things of God.  Jesus is the foundation of all learning. So as they might say in modern venacular, whose your daddy?  But as I understand it that is closer to the Abba in Abba Father.

 

Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

 

The Spirit was sent after Jesus left for the purpose of continuing our education as the children of God to develop us further over the last 2000 years providing more and more advanced revelation as we have become ready to receive it.

I really can't say enough about how much I appreciated this reply, thank you brother.  It was one of those thing that you just know God orchestrated for me to read:)

 

I love Robert Plant, Big Log was one of my faves.

 

Anyway, I am reading John write now, but will be glad to see that verse again.  That verse tells me why God doesn't reveal (answer) all my questions now;)  God bless, your sister in Christ, denise

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