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As of right now, this is scheduled to be Live Streamed for Free: http://debatelive.org/

 

Tuesday Feb 4, 7PM ET.

 

 

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As of right now, this is scheduled to be Live Streamed for Free: http://debatelive.org/

 

Tuesday Feb 4, 7PM ET.

I am very much excited for this... it will be awesome to see the Glory God will bring to Himself in this :thumbsup:
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As of right now, this is scheduled to be Live Streamed for Free: http://debatelive.org/ Tuesday Feb 4, 7PM ET.

I am very much excited for this... it will be awesome to see the Glory God will bring to Himself in this :thumbsup:

I wish I had your confidence about who will get the most glory after this debate-God or satan. Personally, I think public opinion will strongly favor the science guy and the Christian will come out looking silly.

We shall see.

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As of right now, this is scheduled to be Live Streamed for Free: http://debatelive.org/ Tuesday Feb 4, 7PM ET.

I am very much excited for this... it will be awesome to see the Glory God will bring to Himself in this :thumbsup:

I wish I had your confidence about who will get the most glory after this debate-God or satan. Personally, I think public opinion will strongly favor the science guy and the Christian will come out looking silly.

We shall see.

Well personally I know what happens here is not the glory we seek :)

It is here in this time and place and it will be all...

Phil 2:10-11

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven,

and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue

should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

KJV

One of the factors of faith established in His Word is the fact that what God says

in promise is as good as already experienced... in this world I can be ridiculed

and mocked but I know that this will occur even while the mocking is a it's peak

I can have sorrow for them - they do know what they are doing yet they will be

confessing even what they make fun of now only then the flames is their only hope...

Love, Steven

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I don't know much about Bill Nye.  Is he a Christian?  Some Christians believe the evolution notion (not me).  I think that it is amazing that the tickets sold out within minutes.  Why are Mr. Nye's peers so nervous about him being up for the challenge?  I will try to watch it live, if not, then I will view it on youtube as as stated on the web site.

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I don't know much about Bill Nye.  Is he a Christian?  Some Christians believe the evolution notion (not me).  I think that it is amazing that the tickets sold out within minutes.  Why are Mr. Nye's peers so nervous about him being up for the challenge?  I will try to watch it live, if not, then I will view it on youtube as as stated on the web site.

 

Bill Nye is not a Christian, he seems to flow between atheist and pantheist.  A debate is won most times on style and not substance, Ken Ham is an accomplished debater and has honed his skills to a fine edge.  Bill Nye is a very charismatic individual also and has much experience in front of a TV so he will hold his own, but debates are different.   I once sat in the audience for a debate put on by the debate club between their president (an individual that competed around the world in debate competitions) and a 4th year Dean's List Geology major.   Neither knew the exact topic till the night of the debate, the topic was "is the earth round".  The Geology guy took the Yes side and the debate guy took the No side.  Even though everyone in the audience knew the earth was round, the geology guy was crushed in the debate because he did not know how to debate.  

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Yeah I agree, public debates are not typically a way I'd want to learn about whether a position is good or not. They typically just cause each side to retrench. It's a performance piece. By the way, I haven't seen the debate in question so I don't know who came off looking better to the public.

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Yeah I agree, public debates are not typically a way I'd want to learn about whether a position is good or not. They typically just cause each side to retrench. It's a performance piece. By the way, I haven't seen the debate in question so I don't know who came off looking better to the public.

The debate is moot.  If you do not believe in Christ, you go to hell.  What's to debate? 

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Yeah I agree, public debates are not typically a way I'd want to learn about whether a position is good or not. They typically just cause each side to retrench. It's a performance piece. By the way, I haven't seen the debate in question so I don't know who came off looking better to the public.

The debate is moot.  If you do not believe in Christ, you go to hell.  What's to debate? 

 

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Yeah I agree, public debates are not typically a way I'd want to learn about whether a position is good or not. They typically just cause each side to retrench. It's a performance piece. By the way, I haven't seen the debate in question so I don't know who came off looking better to the public.

The debate is moot.  If you do not believe in Christ, you go to hell.  What's to debate? 

 

 

The debate is not about salvation, it is about the science behind the age of the universe/earth.  If such a thing does not interest you, then you should not watch...and one has to wonder why you are in a part of the forum that deals with science and faith.

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Yeah I agree, public debates are not typically a way I'd want to learn about whether a position is good or not. They typically just cause each side to retrench. It's a performance piece. By the way, I haven't seen the debate in question so I don't know who came off looking better to the public.

The debate hasn't happened yet.  It's on Feb. 4th

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Yeah I agree, public debates are not typically a way I'd want to learn about whether a position is good or not. They typically just cause each side to retrench. It's a performance piece. By the way, I haven't seen the debate in question so I don't know who came off looking better to the public.

The debate hasn't happened yet.  It's on Feb. 4th

 

Well, all the more reason I haven't seen it.

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Yeah I agree, public debates are not typically a way I'd want to learn about whether a position is good or not. They typically just cause each side to retrench. It's a performance piece. By the way, I haven't seen the debate in question so I don't know who came off looking better to the public.

The debate hasn't happened yet.  It's on Feb. 4th

 

Well, all the more reason I haven't seen it.

 

 

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Yeah I agree, public debates are not typically a way I'd want to learn about whether a position is good or not. They typically just cause each side to retrench. It's a performance piece. By the way, I haven't seen the debate in question so I don't know who came off looking better to the public.

The debate hasn't happened yet.  It's on Feb. 4th

Well, all the more reason I haven't seen it.

 

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Yeah I agree, public debates are not typically a way I'd want to learn about whether a position is good or not. They typically just cause each side to retrench. It's a performance piece. By the way, I haven't seen the debate in question so I don't know who came off looking better to the public.

 

I suspect the retrenching id liken to discussing the Trinity with a jw.  They come back next week with new twisted answers.  As for believers, we too can glean some useful pointers from this debate to use as ammunition of our own.  Our Side is seen as a door mat by the unbelievers.  It is nice to know that once in awhile we actually get the opportunity to to profess our beliefs without being interrupted.  I'm gonna watch.

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What's to debate beyond your salvation.  Either you believe Christ is your salvation or you don't.

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What's to debate beyond your salvation.  Either you believe Christ is your salvation or you don't.

 

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Well Beloved, There Is That Whole "There Is No Salvation"

 

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:20-22

 

Thing We See In "Science"

 

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 1 Timothy 6:20

 

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Dear One, Please Don't Be Bitter

 

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36

 

Believe And Be Blessed

 

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18

 

Love, Joe

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What's to debate beyond your salvation.  Either you believe Christ is your salvation or you don't.

 

 

God does not require or even want Blind Faith.  He has left enough evidence through His word that He created us.  Some folks just need a few more facts before they are able to hear Jesus knocking on their door.   Some are n the fence and can tip either way depending on the substance.  

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Our Side is seen as a door mat by the unbelievers.

Only till the door opens and Matt goes in :D

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As of right now, this is scheduled to be Live Streamed for Free: http://debatelive.org/ Tuesday Feb 4, 7PM ET.

I am very much excited for this... it will be awesome to see the Glory God will bring to Himself in this :thumbsup:

I wish I had your confidence about who will get the most glory after this debate-God or satan. Personally, I think public opinion will strongly favor the science guy and the Christian will come out looking silly.

We shall see.

 

 

I don't see why people think that Bily Nye is going to have such an easy go at it in this debate.   Billy Nye is not a Biologist. He has no advanced degrees in any of life sciences, nor does he have a degree in Physics, Geology, Astronomy, Astrophysics, or whatever.

 

Bill Nye has  a bachelor's degree in science in the field of mechanical engineering.    He has some honorary doctrates in the same field. He  was a mechanical engineer at Boeing, but he is not really a "science guy."   Nye's portfolio isn't really all that impressive.  Critics of Ken Ham think that Nye is going to wipe the floor with him, but based on educational background alone, Ham has actually clocked in more hours with actual life sciences and physical sciences than Nye.

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As of right now, this is scheduled to be Live Streamed for Free: http://debatelive.org/ Tuesday Feb 4, 7PM ET.

I am very much excited for this... it will be awesome to see the Glory God will bring to Himself in this :thumbsup:

I wish I had your confidence about who will get the most glory after this debate-God or satan. Personally, I think public opinion will strongly favor the science guy and the Christian will come out looking silly.

We shall see.

 

 

I don't see why people think that Bily Nye is going to have such an easy go at it in this debate.   Billy Nye is not a Biologist. He has no advanced degrees in any of life sciences, nor does he have a degree in Physics, Geology, Astronomy, Astrophysics, or whatever.

 

Bill Nye has  a bachelor's degree in science in the field of mechanical engineering.    He has some honorary doctrates in the same field. He  was a mechanical engineer at Boeing, but he is not really a "science guy."   Nye's portfolio isn't really all that impressive.  Critics of Ken Ham think that Nye is going to wipe the floor with him, but based on educational background alone, Ham has actually clocked in more hours with actual life sciences and physical sciences than Nye.

 

 

I am a critic of Ken Ham and I think just the opposite, Ken Ham is a professional debater, Nye is a performer but debates are totally different.   Debates are not won on substance, they are won on style.   Ham has a Bachelors in Applied Science, all his other degrees are honorary.  He has never worked in any field of science, unless you consider AIG to be a filed of science. 

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"Debates are not won on substance."    LOL   Yeah that'll be the convenient "explanation" given if Ham actually ends up  scoring more points in the debate than Nye does.  That way folks won't have to grapple with the real implications staring them in the face if Ham wins the debate.

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There is nothing revolutionary or even questionable about that statement, it is a fact of debating. Flair and drama can win the day over substance, that is debating 101. Debating 102 is the key to winning a debate is to knock down the other guy more so than to support your view. Seems of all people, with your debating skills would know this.

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There is nothing revolutionary or even questionable about that statement, it is a fact of debating. Flair and drama can win the day over substance, that is debating 101. Debating 102 is the key to winning a debate is to knock down the other guy more so than to support your view. Seems of all people, with your debating skills would know this.

 

If Nye wins the debate it will trotted out as proof that Creationists don't know anything about science and are scientically illitereate.   If Ham wins, it will be explained away as Ham simply having a better debate style.   Let's at least try to be honest.

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There is nothing revolutionary or even questionable about that statement, it is a fact of debating. Flair and drama can win the day over substance, that is debating 101. Debating 102 is the key to winning a debate is to knock down the other guy more so than to support your view. Seems of all people, with your debating skills would know this.

 

If Nye wins the debate it will trotted out as proof that Creationists don't know anything about science and are scientically illitereate.   If Ham wins, it will be explained away as Ham simply having a better debate style.   Let's at least try to be honest.

 

 

If Nye wins the debate those that agree with him will trot it out as proof that Creationists don't know anything about science and are scientifically illiterate and those that disagree with him will say it was all based on style.  If Ham wins the debate those that agree with him will trot it out as proof that Creationists do know a lot about science and those that disagree with him will say it was all based on style.  That is the nature of debates.

I think this one will not be "won" by either, on the surface both are charismatic and used to playing to an audience, though Nye's experience is a bit different.  Despite your earlier comments it seems they are equals in the education department so that will not really play a roll in this.   In the end you will likely have both sides calming victory with neither being a clear winner.

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