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Define "Evolution"/Theory of Evolution


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I've been on this forum for about a month or so and,  I've got to say....What in The World?

 

Everybody appears to have a different definition....like armpits, Everybody has one.

 

So for Clarification and to eliminate Confusion; can you provide a Clear, Concise, and Specific definition.  Just so everybody's on the same page and we can get to "Choppin Wood", so to speak.

 

 

Cited Support for said definition would obviously be a Plus.

 

 

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Noun 1. theory of evolution - (biology) a scientific theory of the origin of species of plants and animals

 

http://www.thefreedi...ry of evolution



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"Evolution" is restricted to biological changes of living organisms over time.

 

However, "evolution" tends to become the catch phrase for all science dealing with the Big Bang theory, a 13+ billion year-old universe, theories on galaxy formation and solar system formation, and a five billion year old earth.

 

However, these are their their own elements and are their own theories. Even though they tend to fit together, the argument for one is not necessarily the argument for another.

 

Now, while it is impossible for someone to argue evolution apart from an old Earth, it is possible for someone to argue an old earth without evolution being in the mix.



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The def. is very imp.

 

http://evolutiondism...ery-little-word

http://evolutiondism...om/equivocation



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Weeping And Rejoicing

 

"At any point in all of Eternity, we can say, 'This is just the beginning.' How wonderful for those who are with Christ. How unimaginably dreadful for those who are not." - Leonard Ravenhill

 

They that sow in tears shall reap in joy. He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him. Psalms 126:5-6

 

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I've been on this forum for about a month or so and,  I've got to say....What in The World?

 

Everybody appears to have a different definition....like armpits, Everybody has one.

 

So for Clarification and to eliminate Confusion; can you provide a Clear, Concise, and Specific definition.  Just so everybody's on the same page and we can get to "Choppin Wood", so to speak.

 

Cited Support for said definition would obviously be a Plus.

 

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Fool's Dance

 

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay:

 

for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not?

 

or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it,

 

He had no understanding? Isaiah 29:16

 

Beggars Prayer

 

Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

 

Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

 

Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

 

If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Romans 12:15-18

 

And The Heart Of The Matter

 

And may you have the power to understand, as all God's people should, how wide, how long, how high, and how deep his love is. Ephesians 3:18 (NLT)



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Theory of Evolution:  nothing, then something, then something more, then something less, then something, and now nothing.

 

The evolution of man reached its peak, now it is devolving into an animal, impulsive, predatory, and with no concept of the decency that made it human.  It consumes, it devours, it destroys.

 

But then, there are still human beings too, nurturing the young, feeding the hungry, protecting the weak, compassionate.

 

Civilization is at war with those beasts.  Those who wish to become mindless, souless, wretched monsters, fulfilling their every impulses, and where there are no consequences for the strong.  Nothing is tragic, there is no love and life means nothing to them.



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Theory of Evolution:  nothing, then something

The theory of evolution does not comment on a biogenesis.



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The theory of evolution does not comment on a biogenesis.

 

And.......?

 

 

Also, are you familiar with this definition.....

 

‘General Theory of Evolution’, defined by the evolutionist Kerkut as ‘the theory that all the living forms in the world have arisen from a single source which itself came from an inorganic form.’
Kerkut, G.A., Implications of Evolution, Pergamon, Oxford, UK, p. 157, 1960.



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Evolution: descent by modification and common ancestry.



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The theory of evolution does not comment on a biogenesis.

 

And.......?

 

 

Also, are you familiar with this definition.....

 

‘General Theory of Evolution’, defined by the evolutionist Kerkut as ‘the theory that all the living forms in the world have arisen from a single source which itself came from an inorganic form.’
Kerkut, G.A., Implications of Evolution, Pergamon, Oxford, UK, p. 157, 1960.

 

He's saying that evolution doesn't touch on where or how life began or came from, only what generated from a life form that had come to be.



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THe Theory of Evolution (ToE), which is not really a theory, in the srictest scientific usage of that word, is more or less an untested hypothesis that suggests that life forms evolved from one kind of creature into another kind.  Some birds are supposed to have evolved from species of lizards/reptiles.  Man (homo sapiens) is erroneously supposed to have evolved from nonhuman ancestors that apes/chimps are alleged to also be linked to. 

 

It is an assumption that, despite the fact that no fossil evidence has been found to support one kind of creature evolving into another kind has ever been found, is taught as scientific fact as sure as the earth orbits the sun.  

 

But what makes it so appealing to unbelievers/atheists is that it stands as THE alternative to the Genesis record given in Genesis 1.  The ToE is an unplanned, unguided, impersonal, wholly naturalistic process in nature that has no inteligent causality. 



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The theory of evolution does not comment on a biogenesis.

 

And.......?

 

 

Also, are you familiar with this definition.....

 

‘General Theory of Evolution’, defined by the evolutionist Kerkut as ‘the theory that all the living forms in the world have arisen from a single source which itself came from an inorganic form.’
Kerkut, G.A., Implications of Evolution, Pergamon, Oxford, UK, p. 157, 1960.

 

He's saying that evolution doesn't touch on where or how life began or came from, only what generated from a life form that had come to be.

 

 

Yep, I knew that but the question was:  Define evolution?......not: Define what Evolution is not.

 

And, according to Kerkut (See: Reference above)  Abiogenesis is evolution.



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Definition:  Biological evolution, simply put, is descent with modification. This definition encompasses small-scale evolution (changes in gene frequency in a population from one generation to the next) and large-scale evolution (the descent of different species from a common ancestor over many generations).



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The theory of evolution does not comment on a biogenesis.

 

And.......?

 

 

Also, are you familiar with this definition.....

 

‘General Theory of Evolution’, defined by the evolutionist Kerkut as ‘the theory that all the living forms in the world have arisen from a single source which itself came from an inorganic form.’
Kerkut, G.A., Implications of Evolution, Pergamon, Oxford, UK, p. 157, 1960.

 

He's saying that evolution doesn't touch on where or how life began or came from, only what generated from a life form that had come to be.

 

 

Yep, I knew that but the question was:  Define evolution?......not: Define what Evolution is not.

 

And, according to Kerkut (See: Reference above)  Abiogenesis is evolution.

 

 

I gave you the definition of evolution in post number two. I hope you read it?

 

Well, here it is again:

 

Noun 1. theory of evolution - (biology) a scientific theory of the origin of species of plants and animals

 

http://www.thefreedi...ry of evolution

 

 

I mentioned what it is not because people so often miscue its usage in discussions and debates. Describing what something is not is often used to help clarify what something is.

 

 

And if I knew the Kerkut quote is where you were going with this all along (why else would you have answered your own question), I wouldn't have bothered.

 

I have no interest in defending evolution.



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The theory of evolution does not comment on a biogenesis.

 

And.......?

 

 

Also, are you familiar with this definition.....

 

‘General Theory of Evolution’, defined by the evolutionist Kerkut as ‘the theory that all the living forms in the world have arisen from a single source which itself came from an inorganic form.’
Kerkut, G.A., Implications of Evolution, Pergamon, Oxford, UK, p. 157, 1960.

 

He's saying that evolution doesn't touch on where or how life began or came from, only what generated from a life form that had come to be.

 

 

Yep, I knew that but the question was:  Define evolution?......not: Define what Evolution is not.

 

And, according to Kerkut (See: Reference above)  Abiogenesis is evolution.

 

 

I gave you the definition of evolution in post number two. I hope you read it?

 

Well, here it is again:

 

Noun 1. theory of evolution - (biology) a scientific theory of the origin of species of plants and animals

 

http://www.thefreedi...ry of evolution

 

 

I mentioned what it is not because people so often miscue its usage in discussions and debates. Describing what something is not is often used to help clarify what something is.

 

 

And if I knew the Kerkut quote is where you were going with this all along (why else would you have answered your own question), I wouldn't have bothered.

 

I have no interest in defending evolution.

 

 

Yes, I did read it

 

And No, Kerkut's definition is not where I was going with the OP...it was just a direct rebuttal to jerryR34.

 

My first thought when I created the OP was to leave it here for about a week before I commented ......to give everyone a chance to chime in and then try to ascertain then cobble together a Coherent, Concise and Specific rendering of the Theory.



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Yes, I did read it

 

And No, Kerkut's definition is not where I was going with the OP...it was just a direct rebuttal to jerryR34.

 

My first thought when I created the OP was to leave it here for about a week before I commented ......to give everyone a chance to chime in and then try to ascertain then cobble together a Coherent, Concise and Specific rendering of the Theory.

 

OK, then I apologize. But honestly, that was the first time I heard evolution being defined from the point of the inorganic.



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Theory of Evolution:  nothing, then something

 

The theory of evolution does not comment on a bio genesis.

 

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Oh Beloved, I Think It Does

 

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:1-3

 

See The Difference Between The Truth And The TOS?

 

And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Ephesians 3:9

 

Yeah, Me Too

 

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Revelation 4:11



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I agree that vague, equivocal language is a major problem for the creation/evolution debate.

 

Does “evolution” mean the General Theory of Evolution (that all life on earth is related through a series of common ancestors), or the suite of concepts that often find themselves under the 'umbrella' of evolution (such as natural selection, speciation, genetic mutations, common ancestry etc.), or does it simply any heritable change in a population?

Of all these, I as a creationist, only dispute the claim that Common Ancestry (along with its associated time frames) is the only scientifically valid interpretation of the available evidence. So, for example, when someone presents evidence of natural selection as evidence of evolution, they contribute nothing to the debate – because I have no problem with the concept of natural selection.

 

I propose the use of more specific (and therefore more accurate) language. If you mean Natural Selection, then say “Natural Selection”. When you mean Common Ancestry, say “Common Ancestry”.



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"Evolution" is a misnomer... or rather it lacks qualification between two forms:

 

A) macro-evolution is what is meant by evolutionists (transpeciation, transforming from one kind to another)

 

B) micro-evolution is transformations / developments / adaptations within a kind or species

 

"B" happens all the time.

 

"A" has never happened and there is no evidence that it ever did happen.

 

And the point that all macro-evolutionists cop out on is biogenesis which creationism has explained for some 3500+ years as God is the source and Creator of all things created which he created from nothing.



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"Evolution" is a misnomer... or rather it lacks qualification between two forms:

 

A) macro-evolution is what is meant by evolutionists (transpeciation, transforming from one kind to another)

 

B) micro-evolution is transformations / developments / adaptations within a kind or species

 

"B" happens all the time.

 

"A" has never happened and there is no evidence that it ever did happen.

 

And the point that all macro-evolutionists cop out on is biogenesis which creationism has explained for some 3500+ years as God is the source and Creator of all things created which he created from nothing.

 

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Amen~!

 

Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?

 

Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counseller hath taught him?

 

With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?

 

Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing. Isaiah 40:12-15

 

Scientism, Just Another Naughty Little Boy's Club

 

Thine hands have made me and fashioned me together round about; yet thou dost destroy me.

 

Remember, I beseech thee, that thou hast made me as the clay; and wilt thou bring me into dust again?

 

Hast thou not poured me out as milk, and curdled me like cheese?
 

Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews.
 

Thou hast granted me life and favour, and thy visitation hath preserved my spirit.
 

And these things hast thou hid in thine heart: I know that this is with thee. Job 8-13

 

Refusing To Give Jesus

 

I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. Psalms 139:14

 

His Glory

 

And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

 

Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

 

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. Revelation 5:11-13

 

How Very Juvenile~!

 

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? Isaiah 29:16

 

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If The Sinner Will By God's Grace

 

And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Acts 2:46-47

 

Just Look Through The Fog

 

And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
 

And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,
 

Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

 

A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. Luke 2:25-32

 

And Repent

 

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; Acts:3:19

 

There Will Be Joy In The Heavenlies Tonight

 

I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance. Luke 15:7

 

Love, Joe






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