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All Jews should be aware of this Islamic plan to befriend the Jews and send them a Messiah:

 

http://www.jewishpre....u-adnan-oktar/

 
Israel and Turkey have always had a longstanding friendship, ever since the time of the Ottomans. They have always loved each other and always protected and watched over for each other. This has always been like this and will always be like this. From time to time, we might have some slight breezes, but there will never be a fall out in the basis of our friendship. Very beautiful, very nice, very pleasant days are very imminent, insha’Allah… Israel and Turkey will forge an alliance as strong as steel and bring peace, love and tranquility to the region and put an end to terror and anarchy… [Within the great unity that will be formed] every state will be independent, both in their domestic affairs and in their international affairs. Yet there will be a complete alliance in regard to love, in regard to affection, friendship and brotherhood. We will see the sons of the Prophet Israel, the sons of the Prophet Jacob in Jordan and in Egypt; we will see them everywhere. We will see that they will be living freely everywhere in the world and also in that region. That is because the wars will come to an end. The conflicts will come to an end, passport requirements will be lifted, visa requirements will be lifted. Unnecessary tensions would weaken us. Friendship and love would strengthen us. Allah wants love from us and we will, insha’Allah, abide by this command of Allah. … This century is the century of deliverance. There is no other time anyway. We have entered the time that has been heralded in the Torah. In the Qur’an, in the 55th verse of the Surat An-Nur, Almighty Allah says that the whole world will be saved. And in the Torah, when we look at it, we see that it is stated at length that we’ve entered the time of the Maschiah. For that reason our hearts should be completely at ease. These developments, these portents, are both the portents of the appearance of the Mashiach and the portents of love and peace prevailing in the world…
 

This Adnan Oktar is a prominent Islamic scholar and is supporting a Jewish/Islamic superstate, much like the EU. He predicts it will be so successful that the entire EU will request to be a member state of the Middle East Union. He proposes that Jews be given their temple and their Messiah.  

 

The bible predicts a time of Jewish peace when Israel is in sin, and then a sudden attack from the surrounding Islamic nations resulting in repentance of the Jews. My warning is that this peace and this Jewish Messiah offered by Moslems is deliberately false while they plan a secretive attack on Israel that we know as Armageddon. 3.5 years of peace followed by the second coming. 



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Firstly, let's examine the Surat an-Nur. Here is the 55th verse as mentioned:

 

Allah has promised those who have believed among you and done righteous deeds that He will surely grant them succession [to authority] upon the earth just as He granted it to those before them and that He will surely establish for them [therein] their religion which He has preferred for them and that He will surely substitute for them, after their fear, security, [for] they worship Me, not associating anything with Me. But whoever disbelieves after that - then those are the defiantly disobedient.

 

He's  saying that the whole World will be saved, but this verse clearly states that only Muslim believers will be saved. So obviously the man cannot be trusted.

He also claims that Israel and Turkey have a long time friendship which has existed since the times of the Ottoman Empire, which is blatantly not true. Not in the least that the state of Israel did not exist during the Ottoman Empire, but also there has been no clear friendship since and there certainly isn't now.

 

All this sounds like either the fantasy of a crazy deluded Muslim, or the usual taqiyya. I suspect it's the latter.



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I am not saying this guy is truthful, hes deceptive, I agree.  But if you note the attendees, and his position in Islam, its a new trend to watch out for. This guy could very well be at the forfront of the false prophet (Islam) supporting a false Jewish leader (false Christ).

 

 

"On Sunday, two days ahead of the Israeli elections, Turkish and Israeli politicians made an appearance on Turkish television A9 TV, and expressed the necessity of solving the problems between their two nations with love, friendship and brotherhood."

 

The meeting was hosted by Mr. Adnan Oktar, a prominent Turkish-Muslim scholar, who is embraced as a spiritual leader across the Turkic and Muslim world.

 

I suggest this new movement is one to watch.

 



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I suggest this new movement is one to watch.

 

 

Indeed.



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one must understand that this is the state of things to Islam when the whole world has submitted to Allah and is living under Sharia Law....    then there will be peace in the world.



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Yes, if this union does come about, even if Israel runs its core region, for example, Iraq/Syria/Palestine/Israel fall under Israeli control, the entire union will still fall under Sharia law. If the EU joins them, they too will fall under Sharia law.



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Firstly, let's examine the Surat an-Nur. Here is the 55th verse as mentioned:

 

Allah has promised those who have believed among you and done righteous deeds that He will surely grant them succession [to authority] upon the earth just as He granted it to those before them and that He will surely establish for them [therein] their religion which He has preferred for them and that He will surely substitute for them, after their fear, security, [for] they worship Me, not associating anything with Me. But whoever disbelieves after that - then those are the defiantly disobedient.

 

He's  saying that the whole World will be saved, but this verse clearly states that only Muslim believers will be saved. So obviously the man cannot be trusted.

He also claims that Israel and Turkey have a long time friendship which has existed since the times of the Ottoman Empire, which is blatantly not true. Not in the least that the state of Israel did not exist during the Ottoman Empire, but also there has been no clear friendship since and there certainly isn't now.

 

All this sounds like either the fantasy of a crazy deluded Muslim, or the usual taqiyya. I suspect it's the latter.

 

 I suspect you're right.  Who would believe such outright, blatant lies? 



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Firstly, let's examine the Surat an-Nur. Here is the 55th verse as mentioned:

 

Allah has promised those who have believed among you and done righteous deeds that He will surely grant them succession [to authority] upon the earth just as He granted it to those before them and that He will surely establish for them [therein] their religion which He has preferred for them and that He will surely substitute for them, after their fear, security, [for] they worship Me, not associating anything with Me. But whoever disbelieves after that - then those are the defiantly disobedient.

 

He's  saying that the whole World will be saved, but this verse clearly states that only Muslim believers will be saved. So obviously the man cannot be trusted.

He also claims that Israel and Turkey have a long time friendship which has existed since the times of the Ottoman Empire, which is blatantly not true. Not in the least that the state of Israel did not exist during the Ottoman Empire, but also there has been no clear friendship since and there certainly isn't now.

 

All this sounds like either the fantasy of a crazy deluded Muslim, or the usual taqiyya. I suspect it's the latter.

 

 I suspect you're right.  Who would believe such outright, blatant lies? 

 

 

Exactly, and yet he gets airtime on Turkish TV and has prominent Turkish and Israeli politicians at the meetings that he hosts. It seems unbelievable that a guy who speaks such nonsense would have such prominence, yet he does.



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All Jews should be aware of this Islamic plan to befriend the Jews and send them a Messiah:

 

http://www.jewishpre....u-adnan-oktar/

 
Israel and Turkey have always had a longstanding friendship, ever since the time of the Ottomans. They have always loved each other and always protected and watched over for each other. This has always been like this and will always be like this. From time to time, we might have some slight breezes, but there will never be a fall out in the basis of our friendship. Very beautiful, very nice, very pleasant days are very imminent, insha’Allah… Israel and Turkey will forge an alliance as strong as steel and bring peace, love and tranquility to the region and put an end to terror and anarchy… [Within the great unity that will be formed] every state will be independent, both in their domestic affairs and in their international affairs. Yet there will be a complete alliance in regard to love, in regard to affection, friendship and brotherhood. We will see the sons of the Prophet Israel, the sons of the Prophet Jacob in Jordan and in Egypt; we will see them everywhere. We will see that they will be living freely everywhere in the world and also in that region. That is because the wars will come to an end. The conflicts will come to an end, passport requirements will be lifted, visa requirements will be lifted. Unnecessary tensions would weaken us. Friendship and love would strengthen us. Allah wants love from us and we will, insha’Allah, abide by this command of Allah. … This century is the century of deliverance. There is no other time anyway. We have entered the time that has been heralded in the Torah. In the Qur’an, in the 55th verse of the Surat An-Nur, Almighty Allah says that the whole world will be saved. And in the Torah, when we look at it, we see that it is stated at length that we’ve entered the time of the Maschiah. For that reason our hearts should be completely at ease. These developments, these portents, are both the portents of the appearance of the Mashiach and the portents of love and peace prevailing in the world…
 

This Adnan Oktar is a prominent Islamic scholar and is supporting a Jewish/Islamic superstate, much like the EU. He predicts it will be so successful that the entire EU will request to be a member state of the Middle East Union. He proposes that Jews be given their temple and their Messiah.  

 

The bible predicts a time of Jewish peace when Israel is in sin, and then a sudden attack from the surrounding Islamic nations resulting in repentance of the Jews. My warning is that this peace and this Jewish Messiah offered by Moslems is deliberately false while they plan a secretive attack on Israel that we know as Armageddon. 3.5 years of peace followed by the second coming. 

 

Interesting quote and spin on the subject.

 

How many know that Turkey and Israel share arms deals?  They are in bed together on this and both get big bucks from trading in munitions and firearms.   Very much like in the days of Solomon.  Yup.  Solomon was the world's first arms dealer, or at least the first one that's so well documented.  That's where he got the bulk of his money.  Go back and read it again for the first time.  Wise man that Solomon…trade on the desire of others to prepare for war.  Just make a lot of alliances to make sure the war doesn't come your way or that you don't get sucked into someone else's bar fight….and King Solomon did that very thing.

 

But the caveat to the modern trade deals between Israel and Turkey is that Israel is in bed with the devil's agents.   Revelation 2:12-13 states clearly that the throne of satan is in Turkey - the city of Pergamun to be precise.  That particular place is now considered to be something of an archaeological site, but spiritual wickedness doesn't necessarily require bright lights and self-advertisement to function.  The place itself has a sort of eternal darkness about it.  The word I'm looking for is haunted.  Anything to do with Pergamun has been closely associated with great evil and anti-semitism.   Do your own study if you dare.

 

Israel is making money with the devil and will soon have to pay the devil's due.    Meaning that if Turkey rises to a point of Muslim leadership in the levant, it will already be in a position to force Israel into whatever compliance Turkey chooses.   The goad will be a peace treaty.   The picture of a representative of the new Islamic alliance headed by Turkish interests will one day stand in the Knesset and declare peace for all time to Israel.  On that day the enigmatic leader of Islam will become the new prophet of Israel.  

 

In Moses' time the Jew traded the Lord of Hosts for an idol of gold.  In the day of Mohammad al-Mahdi, the Jew will once again abandon the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob for gold.  Some things never change.

 

Because the Jew trusts the money in his pocket more than the God who led him out of Egypt, the Jew will bow before his new god and deliverer.

 

And when they (Israel) cry 'peace and safety' sudden destruction will come upon them.

 

and God, who everybody thought was neatly tucked away in fantasy and dreams, will arise and lose His cherub like demeanor.

 

hiding will become a popular activity for the people of the world…...

 

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...



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True that there will be this great compromise, much like the Hellenistic Jews under Antiochus Epiphanes. It will be for superficial short-lived peace and prosperity. God's heart is strongly for the Jews, He will allow this short period of sin knowing that the betrayal of Israel by Islam will lead to their repentance on the day of the Lord. Many true Jews will never follow the false Messiah, many will follow for a short while and then see the folly and await the true Messiah.

 

I believe he will be "Messianic" in nature, Jesus warns of "false Christs" and so I suspect he will be co-operative with Islam, and be supported by Islam, but not 100% Islamic. The biblical description is "false Christ", ie  a false Jewish/Israeli leader.

 

The Pope from Rome, and the Caliph from Istanbul, the two little horns, will support and set up the antichrist in Jerusalem, he will come to power amidst great deceptive signs and wonders in Jerusalem. (Ref Matthew 24, 2 Thess 2, Rev 13)



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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe turkey is one of the nations aligning itself with Russia that makes up a coalition attempting to come into Israel as described in Ezekiel 38/39?

I can't be dogmatic about this, but a Muslim is a Muslim. When push comes to shove, I'm sure any loyalty to a Jew will be wiped away, especially when they see Israel nuking Damascus.

Of course I believe Ezekiel ends up with God getting the glory and divinely protecting Israel. I know you believe this is Armageddon but I'm still not convinced of that interpretation.

Let's see how this plays out.

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But the caveat to the modern trade deals between Israel and Turkey is that Israel is in bed with the devil's agents.   Revelation 2:12-13 states clearly that the throne of satan is in Turkey - the city of Pergamun to be precise.  That particular place is now considered to be something of an archaeological site, but spiritual wickedness doesn't necessarily require bright lights and self-advertisement to function.  The place itself has a sort of eternal darkness about it.  The word I'm looking for is haunted.  Anything to do with Pergamun has been closely associated with great evil and anti-semitism.   Do your own study if you dare.

 

I wonder if it matters that Hitler moved the throne of Satan to Germany. Could that lend any meaning to the situation.

 

Then that makes me wonder if the stage that Obama created that looked exactly like that throne for his acceptance speech has anything to do with any of that.



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But the caveat to the modern trade deals between Israel and Turkey is that Israel is in bed with the devil's agents.   Revelation 2:12-13 states clearly that the throne of satan is in Turkey - the city of Pergamun to be precise.  That particular place is now considered to be something of an archaeological site, but spiritual wickedness doesn't necessarily require bright lights and self-advertisement to function.  The place itself has a sort of eternal darkness about it.  The word I'm looking for is haunted.  Anything to do with Pergamun has been closely associated with great evil and anti-semitism.   Do your own study if you dare.

 

I wonder if it matters that Hitler moved the throne of Satan to Germany. Could that lend any meaning to the situation.

 

Then that makes me wonder if the stage that Obama created that looked exactly like that throne for his acceptance speech has anything to do with any of that.

 

 

Hitler never moved the throne. The altar of Pergamom (Satan's altar) was already in Berlin before Hitler came to power. Although it is fitting that it was in Germany during Nazi rule.



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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe turkey is one of the nations aligning itself with Russia that makes up a coalition attempting to come into Israel as described in Ezekiel 38/39?

I can't be dogmatic about this, but a Muslim is a Muslim. When push comes to shove, I'm sure any loyalty to a Jew will be wiped away, especially when they see Israel nuking Damascus.

Of course I believe Ezekiel ends up with God getting the glory and divinely protecting Israel. I know you believe this is Armageddon but I'm still not convinced of that interpretation.

Let's see how this plays out.

 

 

Yes Turkey aligns with Russia. It is debatable whether Gog is Russia or Turkey, they are such big players, but I'm sure they will be in an alliance during that great Gog attack.

 

You know the saying "if you can't beat them, join them".  This is what Islam is doing, they recognize that there is this strong western/Masonic/Jewish/Christian drive to rebuild the temple and support Zionism. They recognize that the West is incredibly powerful with warfare, actually unbeatable. They recognize that western financiers influence world economies. So they will pretend for a few years to encourage a Jewish Messiah/rebuilt temple. They will allow this western leader to rule for 3.5 years, but plan a secretive attack on Jews during that 3.5 years. This is Sunni Islam beliefs (western friendly) suddenly turning to Shi-ite beliefs (destroy the Jews) which cause Armageddon.

 

I like the "see how it pans out approach" as long as one is aware of the options as it unfolds, we can be ready.



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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe turkey is one of the nations aligning itself with Russia that makes up a coalition attempting to come into Israel as described in Ezekiel 38/39?

I can't be dogmatic about this, but a Muslim is a Muslim. When push comes to shove, I'm sure any loyalty to a Jew will be wiped away, especially when they see Israel nuking Damascus.

Of course I believe Ezekiel ends up with God getting the glory and divinely protecting Israel. I know you believe this is Armageddon but I'm still not convinced of that interpretation.

Let's see how this plays out.

 

 

Yes Turkey aligns with Russia. It is debatable whether Gog is Russia or Turkey, they are such big players, but I'm sure they will be in an alliance during that great Gog attack.

 

You know the saying "if you can't beat them, join them".  This is what Islam is doing, they recognize that there is this strong western/Masonic/Jewish/Christian drive to rebuild the temple and support Zionism. They recognize that the West is incredibly powerful with warfare, actually unbeatable. They recognize that western financiers influence world economies. So they will pretend for a few years to encourage a Jewish Messiah/rebuilt temple. They will allow this western leader to rule for 3.5 years, but plan a secretive attack on Jews during that 3.5 years. This is Sunni Islam beliefs (western friendly) suddenly turning to Shi-ite beliefs (destroy the Jews) which cause Armageddon.

 

I like the "see how it pans out approach" as long as one is aware of the options as it unfolds, we can be ready.

 

 

I'm not sure why you think that Sunni Islam beliefs are Western-friendly, unless of course you are saying that they 'pretend' to be Western-friendly. I also don't know why you lump Masonic beliefs in with Jewish and Christian ones.

Apart from that, I more-or-less agree with what you are saying, and I do emphasize the 'more-or-less'.



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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe turkey is one of the nations aligning itself with Russia that makes up a coalition attempting to come into Israel as described in Ezekiel 38/39?

I can't be dogmatic about this, but a Muslim is a Muslim. When push comes to shove, I'm sure any loyalty to a Jew will be wiped away, especially when they see Israel nuking Damascus.

Of course I believe Ezekiel ends up with God getting the glory and divinely protecting Israel. I know you believe this is Armageddon but I'm still not convinced of that interpretation.

Let's see how this plays out.

 

 

Yes Turkey aligns with Russia. It is debatable whether Gog is Russia or Turkey, they are such big players, but I'm sure they will be in an alliance during that great Gog attack.

 

You know the saying "if you can't beat them, join them".  This is what Islam is doing, they recognize that there is this strong western/Masonic/Jewish/Christian drive to rebuild the temple and support Zionism. They recognize that the West is incredibly powerful with warfare, actually unbeatable. They recognize that western financiers influence world economies. So they will pretend for a few years to encourage a Jewish Messiah/rebuilt temple. They will allow this western leader to rule for 3.5 years, but plan a secretive attack on Jews during that 3.5 years. This is Sunni Islam beliefs (western friendly) suddenly turning to Shi-ite beliefs (destroy the Jews) which cause Armageddon.

 

I like the "see how it pans out approach" as long as one is aware of the options as it unfolds, we can be ready.

 

 

I'm not sure why you think that Sunni Islam beliefs are Western-friendly, unless of course you are saying that they 'pretend' to be Western-friendly. I also don't know why you lump Masonic beliefs in with Jewish and Christian ones.

Apart from that, I more-or-less agree with what you are saying, and I do emphasize the 'more-or-less'.

 

 

There is a strong pro-Zionist pro-rebuilt temple viewpoint within evangelical Christianity. There is a strong rebuilt temple view in freemasonry, and also among Jews. 

 

Sunni  Islam promotes the idea that there will come a "Christ" for the Christians and Jews who will bring peace for 7 years to earth.

 

 

Wikipedia:     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi

"The Mahdi's tenure will coincide with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (Isa), who is to assist the Mahdi against the Masih ad-Dajjal (literally, the "false Messiah" or Antichrist).[4] Jesus, who is considered the Masih (Messiah) in Islam, will descend at the point of a white arcade, east of Damascus, dressed in yellow robes with his head anointed. He will then join the Mahdi in his war against the Dajjal, where Jesus will slay Dajjal and unite mankind.

 

See the unity between a great Islamic leader and a great christian/Jewish leader predicted by Islam? In our eschatology this is the false prophet (Mahdi) and the false Christ (Masih). But the cleverness of the deception is that Islam has a false antichrist (dajjal) preceding the false Christ to make the false Christ seem like the true Christ who destroys the antichrist. This is why Jesus says beware of false "Christs" - plural. I believe Jesus is referring to the obviously evil dajjal (first false Christ) and the deceptive Isa/Masih (second false Christ).



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ps thanks for the support, if we read prophecies carefully they don't agree with the mainstream views on Israel.



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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe turkey is one of the nations aligning itself with Russia that makes up a coalition attempting to come into Israel as described in Ezekiel 38/39?

I can't be dogmatic about this, but a Muslim is a Muslim. When push comes to shove, I'm sure any loyalty to a Jew will be wiped away, especially when they see Israel nuking Damascus.

Of course I believe Ezekiel ends up with God getting the glory and divinely protecting Israel. I know you believe this is Armageddon but I'm still not convinced of that interpretation.

Let's see how this plays out.

 

 

Yes Turkey aligns with Russia. It is debatable whether Gog is Russia or Turkey, they are such big players, but I'm sure they will be in an alliance during that great Gog attack.

 

You know the saying "if you can't beat them, join them".  This is what Islam is doing, they recognize that there is this strong western/Masonic/Jewish/Christian drive to rebuild the temple and support Zionism. They recognize that the West is incredibly powerful with warfare, actually unbeatable. They recognize that western financiers influence world economies. So they will pretend for a few years to encourage a Jewish Messiah/rebuilt temple. They will allow this western leader to rule for 3.5 years, but plan a secretive attack on Jews during that 3.5 years. This is Sunni Islam beliefs (western friendly) suddenly turning to Shi-ite beliefs (destroy the Jews) which cause Armageddon.

 

I like the "see how it pans out approach" as long as one is aware of the options as it unfolds, we can be ready.

 

 

I'm not sure why you think that Sunni Islam beliefs are Western-friendly, unless of course you are saying that they 'pretend' to be Western-friendly. I also don't know why you lump Masonic beliefs in with Jewish and Christian ones.

Apart from that, I more-or-less agree with what you are saying, and I do emphasize the 'more-or-less'.

 

 

There is a strong pro-Zionist pro-rebuilt temple viewpoint within evangelical Christianity. There is a strong rebuilt temple view in freemasonry, and also among Jews. 

 

Sunni  Islam promotes the idea that there will come a "Christ" for the Christians and Jews who will bring peace for 7 years to earth.

 

 

Wikipedia:     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi

"The Mahdi's tenure will coincide with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (Isa), who is to assist the Mahdi against the Masih ad-Dajjal (literally, the "false Messiah" or Antichrist).[4] Jesus, who is considered the Masih (Messiah) in Islam, will descend at the point of a white arcade, east of Damascus, dressed in yellow robes with his head anointed. He will then join the Mahdi in his war against the Dajjal, where Jesus will slay Dajjal and unite mankind.

 

See the unity between a great Islamic leader and a great christian/Jewish leader predicted by Islam? In our eschatology this is the false prophet (Mahdi) and the false Christ (Masih). But the cleverness of the deception is that Islam has a false antichrist (dajjal) preceding the false Christ to make the false Christ seem like the true Christ who destroys the antichrist. This is why Jesus says beware of false "Christs" - plural. I believe Jesus is referring to the obviously evil dajjal (first false Christ) and the deceptive Isa/Masih (second false Christ).

 

 

You've misunderstood this. The Sunnis do not believe in a Christ of the Jews and the Christians. Their false view of Jesus is that Jesus will kill all Jews and Christians. You need to read Islamic sources, not Wikipedia.



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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe turkey is one of the nations aligning itself with Russia that makes up a coalition attempting to come into Israel as described in Ezekiel 38/39?

I can't be dogmatic about this, but a Muslim is a Muslim. When push comes to shove, I'm sure any loyalty to a Jew will be wiped away, especially when they see Israel nuking Damascus.

Of course I believe Ezekiel ends up with God getting the glory and divinely protecting Israel. I know you believe this is Armageddon but I'm still not convinced of that interpretation.

Let's see how this plays out.

 

 

Yes Turkey aligns with Russia. It is debatable whether Gog is Russia or Turkey, they are such big players, but I'm sure they will be in an alliance during that great Gog attack.

 

You know the saying "if you can't beat them, join them".  This is what Islam is doing, they recognize that there is this strong western/Masonic/Jewish/Christian drive to rebuild the temple and support Zionism. They recognize that the West is incredibly powerful with warfare, actually unbeatable. They recognize that western financiers influence world economies. So they will pretend for a few years to encourage a Jewish Messiah/rebuilt temple. They will allow this western leader to rule for 3.5 years, but plan a secretive attack on Jews during that 3.5 years. This is Sunni Islam beliefs (western friendly) suddenly turning to Shi-ite beliefs (destroy the Jews) which cause Armageddon.

 

I like the "see how it pans out approach" as long as one is aware of the options as it unfolds, we can be ready.

 

 

I'm not sure why you think that Sunni Islam beliefs are Western-friendly, unless of course you are saying that they 'pretend' to be Western-friendly. I also don't know why you lump Masonic beliefs in with Jewish and Christian ones.

Apart from that, I more-or-less agree with what you are saying, and I do emphasize the 'more-or-less'.

 

 

There is a strong pro-Zionist pro-rebuilt temple viewpoint within evangelical Christianity. There is a strong rebuilt temple view in freemasonry, and also among Jews. 

 

Sunni  Islam promotes the idea that there will come a "Christ" for the Christians and Jews who will bring peace for 7 years to earth.

 

 

Wikipedia:     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi

"The Mahdi's tenure will coincide with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (Isa), who is to assist the Mahdi against the Masih ad-Dajjal (literally, the "false Messiah" or Antichrist).[4] Jesus, who is considered the Masih (Messiah) in Islam, will descend at the point of a white arcade, east of Damascus, dressed in yellow robes with his head anointed. He will then join the Mahdi in his war against the Dajjal, where Jesus will slay Dajjal and unite mankind.

 

See the unity between a great Islamic leader and a great christian/Jewish leader predicted by Islam? In our eschatology this is the false prophet (Mahdi) and the false Christ (Masih). But the cleverness of the deception is that Islam has a false antichrist (dajjal) preceding the false Christ to make the false Christ seem like the true Christ who destroys the antichrist. This is why Jesus says beware of false "Christs" - plural. I believe Jesus is referring to the obviously evil dajjal (first false Christ) and the deceptive Isa/Masih (second false Christ).

 

 

You've misunderstood this. The Sunnis do not believe in a Christ of the Jews and the Christians. Their false view of Jesus is that Jesus will kill all Jews and Christians. You need to read Islamic sources, not Wikipedia.

 

 

 

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that this "Jesus" will have influence over Christians and tell Christians to support the Mahdi. 



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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe turkey is one of the nations aligning itself with Russia that makes up a coalition attempting to come into Israel as described in Ezekiel 38/39?

I can't be dogmatic about this, but a Muslim is a Muslim. When push comes to shove, I'm sure any loyalty to a Jew will be wiped away, especially when they see Israel nuking Damascus.

Of course I believe Ezekiel ends up with God getting the glory and divinely protecting Israel. I know you believe this is Armageddon but I'm still not convinced of that interpretation.

Let's see how this plays out.

 

 

Yes Turkey aligns with Russia. It is debatable whether Gog is Russia or Turkey, they are such big players, but I'm sure they will be in an alliance during that great Gog attack.

 

You know the saying "if you can't beat them, join them".  This is what Islam is doing, they recognize that there is this strong western/Masonic/Jewish/Christian drive to rebuild the temple and support Zionism. They recognize that the West is incredibly powerful with warfare, actually unbeatable. They recognize that western financiers influence world economies. So they will pretend for a few years to encourage a Jewish Messiah/rebuilt temple. They will allow this western leader to rule for 3.5 years, but plan a secretive attack on Jews during that 3.5 years. This is Sunni Islam beliefs (western friendly) suddenly turning to Shi-ite beliefs (destroy the Jews) which cause Armageddon.

 

I like the "see how it pans out approach" as long as one is aware of the options as it unfolds, we can be ready.

 

 

I'm not sure why you think that Sunni Islam beliefs are Western-friendly, unless of course you are saying that they 'pretend' to be Western-friendly. I also don't know why you lump Masonic beliefs in with Jewish and Christian ones.

Apart from that, I more-or-less agree with what you are saying, and I do emphasize the 'more-or-less'.

 

 

There is a strong pro-Zionist pro-rebuilt temple viewpoint within evangelical Christianity. There is a strong rebuilt temple view in freemasonry, and also among Jews. 

 

Sunni  Islam promotes the idea that there will come a "Christ" for the Christians and Jews who will bring peace for 7 years to earth.

 

 

Wikipedia:     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi

"The Mahdi's tenure will coincide with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (Isa), who is to assist the Mahdi against the Masih ad-Dajjal (literally, the "false Messiah" or Antichrist).[4] Jesus, who is considered the Masih (Messiah) in Islam, will descend at the point of a white arcade, east of Damascus, dressed in yellow robes with his head anointed. He will then join the Mahdi in his war against the Dajjal, where Jesus will slay Dajjal and unite mankind.

 

See the unity between a great Islamic leader and a great christian/Jewish leader predicted by Islam? In our eschatology this is the false prophet (Mahdi) and the false Christ (Masih). But the cleverness of the deception is that Islam has a false antichrist (dajjal) preceding the false Christ to make the false Christ seem like the true Christ who destroys the antichrist. This is why Jesus says beware of false "Christs" - plural. I believe Jesus is referring to the obviously evil dajjal (first false Christ) and the deceptive Isa/Masih (second false Christ).

 

 

You've misunderstood this. The Sunnis do not believe in a Christ of the Jews and the Christians. Their false view of Jesus is that Jesus will kill all Jews and Christians. You need to read Islamic sources, not Wikipedia.

 

 

 

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that this "Jesus" will have influence over Christians and tell Christians to support the Mahdi. 

 

that would be somewhat the case for the Islamic teaching says that Jesus will come back and teach us that Mohammad was right all along.     I would think that should make us want to follow the Mahdi,, however there are differences in what/who the Sunni's and shia's think the Mahdi is.






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